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Cheap Intel Overclocking

Originally posted by: x2 3600 rules sazakky
Can someone give me some examples of really cheap budget boards which would be able to OC the E8200 well.
Something in the range of $40 to 80.
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If you want to chance an open box board, here are some decent boards to choose from.

Gigabyte

DFI

Abit

Gigabyte "E" version

Pretty much any good P35 board can give you above ave. Overclocks.
Also, Don't really know how well "open box" purchases are, but with your suggested price range, this is what I came up with. I am sure there are many more, but this is a good start. I own and use everyday the P35 boards and they are solid and reliable.

 
Forget about both the E8200 and the E2220. Either step up to the E8400 with the extra 1x multiplier for $15 more, or get the E7200 with a 9.5x multiplier and THREE TIMES the cache of the E2220 for $130 shipped.
 
Originally posted by: Zap
Forget about both the E8200 and the E2220. Either step up to the E8400 with the extra 1x multiplier for $15 more, or get the E7200 with a 9.5x multiplier and THREE TIMES the cache of the E2220 for $130 shipped.
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😕 So you are recommending him to pay $40 extra for cache that has barely any benefit in gaming when his graphics card will bottleneck any core 2 duo cpu at that speed on top of the fact that you'll now have to overclock the mobo beyond 333 FSB (which most can do, but why bother introducing another limiting component if you don't have to?)

Also, E8500 is a complete waste of $$$ at $230 OEM and $270 boxed. For $280 you can get Q9450.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Forget E8200.....

Intel Pentium E2220 Allendale 2.4GHz 1MB - $90

Multiplier of 12 x 333 FSB (any P35 motherboard) = 4.0ghz. Not that you'll reach that with this cpu, but no P35 motherboard will limit the maximum overclock on this processor. How well does it compare to the higher cache and quads?

E2160 @ 3.0ghz Benchmarks

Basically for the $, barely anything comes close. Your videocard will be the bottleneck after this, no question.
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Good, but the E2180 is cheaper, and it will overclock to the same level as the E2220. Most E2xxx top out at 3.2-3.3Ghz anyways, and 10 x 333 is 3.3Ghz at the most. I prefer 3.2 @ 400x8, DDR2-800 myself.

 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
😕 So you are recommending him to pay $40 extra for cache that has barely any benefit in gaming when his graphics card will bottleneck any core 2 duo cpu at that speed on top of the fact that you'll now have to overclock the mobo beyond 333 FSB (which most can do, but why bother introducing another limiting component if you don't have to?)
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400MHz has been easy as pie since the P965 chipset, and is a stock speed on the P45 chipset. I've already seen new P45 chipset boards for under $100 shipped. At 400MHz FSB the E7200 will be running at 3.8GHz without overclocking the RAM and the motherboard.

I doubt that the typical Allendale core will hit anywhere near that speed. I've tried overclocking several (I think 5) and the best was around 3.5GHz and most were around 3.2GHz. I think the Wolfdale core will more likely hit higher speeds, while retaining lower temperatures.

Do you really think cache doesn't impact gaming? Anand and Derek seem to think it does. So do some other folk.

The other thing is the FSB. I've encountered way too many motherboards that suddenly became overclock-dumb when faced with an 800MHz FSB CPU. Same CPU with the BSEL mod suddenly will become an overclocking champ. Doesn't affect all motherboards, but still way too many. The E7200 is a middling 1066MHz FSB, which seems to break past the FSB strap problem.

So, an extra $40 for... 3X the cache memory, likely 600MHz faster, runs cooler... I think that's good value.

The E8500 is not a very good value. I did mention the E8400, but only because the OP was already considering the E8200 and there's only a $15 difference (sometimes less).
 
I would look for a little better mobo with maybe 8 phase pwm... after you buy it and get your system together, get your money back by selling off some of the old parts on eBay
 
Originally posted by: Zap

400MHz has been easy as pie since the P965 chipset, and is a stock speed on the P45 chipset. I've already seen new P45 chipset boards for under $100 shipped. At 400MHz FSB the E7200 will be running at 3.8GHz without overclocking the RAM and the motherboard.
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Fair enough. P45 chipset would be a better choice over P35, assuming you can get it for $10-20 more.

I doubt that the typical Allendale core will hit anywhere near that speed. I've tried overclocking several (I think 5) and the best was around 3.5GHz and most were around 3.2GHz. I think the Wolfdale core will more likely hit higher speeds, while retaining lower temperatures.
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I agree with you that E7200 will overclock better. But the OP seems to be running on a very tight budget; hence my recommendation.

Do you really think cache doesn't impact gaming? Anand and Derek seem to think it does. So do some other folk.
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I realize that it has an impact, but you are showing:

1) 1024x768 benches (AT link) - rather pointless
2) 1600x1200 benches (Legion) but at 2.4ghz. My point is that at 3.0ghz+, his videocard will be the limiting factor for almost every game and at this point cache is a wash.

So, an extra $40 for... 3X the cache memory, likely 600MHz faster, runs cooler... I think that's good value.
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I somewhat agree now, although E7300 would completely seal the deal (or E7200 at $113). If OP intends to keep it for a while, that little $40 does provide reasonable longevity. However, if he is strapped between $40 towards videocard or E7200, I would dump it towards the VC no question.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Forget E8200.....

Intel Pentium E2220 Allendale 2.4GHz 1MB - $90

Multiplier of 12 x 333 FSB (any P35 motherboard) = 4.0ghz. Not that you'll reach that with this cpu, but no P35 motherboard will limit the maximum overclock on this processor. How well does it compare to the higher cache and quads?

E2160 @ 3.0ghz Benchmarks

Basically for the $, barely anything comes close. Your videocard will be the bottleneck after this, no question.
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uhhhh with what voltage you gonna get 4ghz with an allendale.

I dont see many 4ghz allendales. Its not easy to get 4ghz on a non 45nm cpu.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: Zap

400MHz has been easy as pie since the P965 chipset, and is a stock speed on the P45 chipset. I've already seen new P45 chipset boards for under $100 shipped. At 400MHz FSB the E7200 will be running at 3.8GHz without overclocking the RAM and the motherboard.
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Fair enough. P45 chipset would be a better choice over P35, assuming you can get it for $10-20 more.

I doubt that the typical Allendale core will hit anywhere near that speed. I've tried overclocking several (I think 5) and the best was around 3.5GHz and most were around 3.2GHz. I think the Wolfdale core will more likely hit higher speeds, while retaining lower temperatures.
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I agree with you that E7200 will overclock better. But the OP seems to be running on a very tight budget; hence my recommendation.

Do you really think cache doesn't impact gaming? Anand and Derek seem to think it does. So do some other folk.
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I realize that it has an impact, but you are showing:

1) 1024x768 benches (AT link) - rather pointless
2) 1600x1200 benches (Legion) but at 2.4ghz. My point is that at 3.0ghz+, his videocard will be the limiting factor for almost every game and at this point cache is a wash.

So, an extra $40 for... 3X the cache memory, likely 600MHz faster, runs cooler... I think that's good value.
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I somewhat agree now, although E7300 would completely seal the deal (or E7200 at $113). If OP intends to keep it for a while, that little $40 does provide reasonable longevity. However, if he is strapped between $40 towards videocard or E7200, I would dump it towards the VC no question.
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got that right. i'm only 15 so dont have much cash flow.
i'm deciding between 4850, q6600, q9300, e7200 and what motherboard.

i'm in a damn loophole
 
Check out my sig. Getting something like an E2180 @ 3.0 or 3.2 ghz should provide some nice bang for the buck. Pick up some cheap 4GB ram kit and combine with an Abit or even a DFI mobo and you will have an OC beast.
 
Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Forget E8200.....

Intel Pentium E2220 Allendale 2.4GHz 1MB - $90

Multiplier of 12 x 333 FSB (any P35 motherboard) = 4.0ghz. Not that you'll reach that with this cpu, but no P35 motherboard will limit the maximum overclock on this processor. How well does it compare to the higher cache and quads?

E2160 @ 3.0ghz Benchmarks

Basically for the $, barely anything comes close. Your videocard will be the bottleneck after this, no question.
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uhhhh with what voltage you gonna get 4ghz with an allendale.

I dont see many 4ghz allendales. Its not easy to get 4ghz on a non 45nm cpu.
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Please see statement in "bold" above. My point was that no current motherboard will be the limiting factor for the allendale chip noted. So you essentially isolate all overclocking pressure towards the cpu only, which is the best possible scenario.
 
I think that the difference he will obtain from an E7200 isn't worth the cash, if you are running on a tight budget. It will end up being sharper textures or higher mem processing in games -- something you could accomplish with say, a Radeon 4850. The difference in a 9600 GT or Radeon 3870 is better spent on video.

Russian is spot on in this regard.
 
I'm not convinced an E21x0 @ 3GHz is really that much of a step up over a 2.7GHz X2, especially in gaming. Yeah, benchmarks will put it about 20% faster, but I'm not sure if it'll be that 'noticeable' an increase in performance. On the other hand, an E7200 @ 3.8GHz would be a massive step up and would be much more noticeable.
 
Originally posted by: harpoon84
I'm not convinced an E21x0 @ 3GHz is really that much of a step up over a 2.7GHz X2, especially in gaming. Yeah, benchmarks will put it about 20% faster, but I'm not sure if it'll be that 'noticeable' an increase in performance. On the other hand, an E7200 @ 3.8GHz would be a massive step up and would be much more noticeable.
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Having done basically the same upgrade, 2.6 X2 for 3.8 E7200, I can confirm this to be correct.

It IS a massive step up.
 
In your case, get the E5200 which is coming right up, has a 11 or 12 multiplier forgot. All you need is a board that can do about FSB 333. You can push it pass 4ghz for the cheapest money can buy. Oh, you do need a good cooler like Xigmatek/Vendetta2

BTW, that chip is $85 at debute and has about twice cache compare to E2xxx. 45nm wolfdale core of course.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: Zap
Forget about both the E8200 and the E2220. Either step up to the E8400 with the extra 1x multiplier for $15 more, or get the E7200 with a 9.5x multiplier and THREE TIMES the cache of the E2220 for $130 shipped.
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😕 So you are recommending him to pay $40 extra for cache that has barely any benefit in gaming when his graphics card will bottleneck any core 2 duo cpu at that speed on top of the fact that you'll now have to overclock the mobo beyond 333 FSB (which most can do, but why bother introducing another limiting component if you don't have to?)

Also, E8500 is a complete waste of $$$ at $230 OEM and $270 boxed. For $280 you can get Q9450.
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Actually, games are the applications that gain the most from cache.

Try knowing the topic before posting.
 
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