Cheap i3 or FX?

[Sleepingforest]

Yes it does compete with a Core i7 920 and does wonderfully at that and with a great price at it, makes coffee and mops the floor with Core i3s simple as that. Dualcores are dead for gaming, time to move on.

Merely reasserting your point without any proof does not make your point any stronger. As I have shown, dual cores are still perfectly valid for singled threaded and lightly threaded applications--like most games.

A dual core Intel CPU (either i3 or Pentium) beats the FX 6300 (or better, as in FX 8150) in: Crysis Warhead, Dawn of War II, Dirt 3, Starcraft II, and World of Warcraft (as shown). So how exactly is are dual cores worse?

 

[grimpr]

2 old games that noone plays, 2 intel optimized ones and a gpu bound racer are your excuses to buy a locked and non overclockable Intel dualcore with gimped memory speeds, gimped instruction sets (no support for AES) compared to an unlocked fully equipped 6core FX 6300 that competes with an Intel Core i7 920 at everything thrown at it at the price point of a Core i3, great buying instincts, whats next?, buying an HDD because its fatter to an SSD for OS and Apps?

The i3 is not cheap, its just become relegated to Office pcs.

 

[Sleepingforest]

Yeah, but guess what the OP wants to play? An old Intel optimized game. Your insults cannot change this point.

Overclocking doesn't matter because OP is unable/unwilling to do it. "Gimped" memory speeds don't matter because Intel CPUs are not impacted by memory speed. Gimped instruction sets don't matter because AES isn't used in games.

You are trying to recommend a CPU based on nothing the OP needs. He's not encoding video. He's not running encryptions. He's playing a single threaded game.

An analogy: you are trying to make a lawyer do a doctor's work. Sure, the lawyer and doctor are probably equally smart. But the lawyer is just not good at practicing medicine. It's the same thing here: AMD CPUs are just not at good as Intel ones in single threaded games, like WoW.

 

[lyssword]

in any modern game, fx6300 will destroy i3 (BF3 for example).

 

[itsmydamnation]

Yeah, but guess what the OP wants to play? An old Intel optimized game. Your insults cannot change this point.

Ffailing to plan is planning to fail. You should balance current needs with future needs with every purchase you make. Thats how you save money .

 

[Sleepingforest]

Ffailing to plan is planning to fail. You should balance current needs with future needs with every purchase you make. Thats how you save money .

Right now, he can get a Pentium that outperforms the FX-6300 for $40 less. I'd say saving $40 now is worth more than an ephemeral "maybe" in the future. MMOs are not Crysis and they aren't BF3 MP. Look at even the fairly modern Guild Wars 2. A Sandy Bridge Pentium outperforms the octacore FX.

 

[grimpr]

Well thats his decision to make and we're here to make suggestions. I stand besides mine along with others that the FX 6300 is a superior and much stronger solution mid to long term for a strong pc compared to an Intel dualcore, os and apps will load faster due to the extra threads, it can overclock stable up to 4.2ghz with ease and its a 95W tdp SKU which stays cool, when given the choise and at the same price everybody would buy a Core i7 920 and an FX 6300 instead of a Core i3, just ask around the 920 owners what they feel about upgrading.

 

[2timer]

Ffailing to plan is planning to fail. You should balance current needs with future needs with every purchase you make. Thats how you save money .

Your post fails and Sleepingforest's wins.

OP is planning, that's why he created this thread. Come back when you actually have some real benchmarks, m'kay thanks goodbye.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Your post fails and Sleepingforest's wins.

OP is planning, that's why he created this thread. Come back when you actually have some real benchmarks, m'kay thanks goodbye.

Your post completely fails, because I never said the OP wasn't planning.

Come back when you actually have some Comprehension skills, m'kay thanks goodbye.

am i doing it right

 

[2timer]

Well thats his decision to make and we're here to make suggestions. I stand besides mine along with others that the FX 6300 is a superior and much stronger solution mid to long term for a strong pc compared to an Intel dualcore, os and apps will load faster due to the extra threads, it can overclock stable up to 4.2ghz with ease and its a 95W tdp SKU which stays cool, when given the choise and at the same price everybody would buy a Core i7 920 and an FX 6300 instead of a Core i3, just ask around the 920 owners what they feel about upgrading.

Yes, we all are aware that you are an AMD fan boy and you have an inferiority complex, that's why you feel the need to defend AMD at every turn. The OP has stated he mainly wants to play WoW and a Sandy Bridge Pentium will allow him better performance for $40 less, what's not to understand about that?

 

[Sleepingforest]

in any modern game, fx6300 will destroy i3 (BF3 for example).

Ahem. Dirt Showdown. Assassin's Creed 3. Both more recent than BF3.

If we look at the processor recommendations from Tom's Hardware between $100 and $200, I see an i3 and an i5 being recommended, but not the FX 6300.

Listen, I understand that people believe that the 8 cores of the PS4 and rumored 8 cores of the Microsoft console are going to make games have 8 threads. But the Xbox 360 had 3 cores, and we still see PC games not benefiting much past 2. So I wouldn't read into it until it actually happens.

EDIT: Hey, 2timer, I appreciate the support, but let's try to do it with benchmarks and logic, not name calling.

 

[grimpr]

Yes, we all are aware that you are an AMD fan boy and you have an inferiority complex, that's why you feel the need to defend AMD at every turn. The OP has stated he mainly wants to play WoW and a Sandy Bridge Pentium will allow him better performance for $40 less, what's not to understand about that?

I think i dont need to bother anymore with trolls such as you, ignore mode on.

 

[2timer]

Your post completely fails, because I never said the OP wasn't planning.

Come back when you actually have some Comprehension skills, m'kay thanks goodbye.

am i doing it right

Lol. Ok, first you say failing to plan is planning to fail, then you say '' I never said OP wasn't planning. ''
:hmm:

 

[itsmydamnation]

Yes, we all are aware that you are an AMD fan boy and you have an inferiority complex, that's why you feel the need to defend AMD at every turn. The OP has stated he mainly wants to play WoW and a Sandy Bridge Pentium will allow him better performance for $40 less, what's not to understand about that?

Hmm okay kind of leaning towards the FX then,
He won't care about power usage, but will have about a 450watt psu, if that matters at all.

I assume the i3 will also run cooler?

How about learning to read before becoming all hero man. The OP isn't building it for himself. So the question is has he correctly understood and articulated his requirements. Pointing out that one CPU is better then another in a metric that is becoming increasingly important is worth pointing out.

Lol. Ok, first you say failing to plan is planning to fail, then you say '' I never said OP wasn't planning. ''
:hmm:

Yes, i dont see the issue here.

 

[Sleepingforest]

How about learning to read before becoming all hero man. The OP isn't building it for himself. So the question is has he correctly understood and articulated his requirements. Pointing out that one CPU is better then another in a metric that is becoming increasingly important is worth pointing out.

I agree 100% that the FX 6300 is better in well threaded applications than the Pentium or the i3. However, the OP has stated that the build is for World of Warcraft and possibly other MMOs. If we look at MMOs like Guild Wars 2 and WoW, I see single theaded performance making a bigger impact.

The OP could spend extra as a gamble that his friend will need the extra cores later, or he could save some money and get better performance in the games his friend plays now. It's up to him.

 

[2timer]

Ok, I apologize for getting a little hot. No offense intended.

I think Sleepingforest makes a good point. If it was me, I would simply go cheaper and better for what's concrete today rather than the "ifs" of tomorrow.

Another point for OP to consider is that, even if he chooses to save some money today, LGA 1155 has a very strong upgrade path. There is so much headroom now in i5 CPUs currently, that they are likely to be relevant for years to come, much like LGA 775 was relevant for many years running.

 

[grimpr]

I agree 100% that the FX 6300 is better in well threaded applications than the Pentium or the i3. However, the OP has stated that the build is for World of Warcraft and possibly other MMOs. If we look at MMOs like Guild Wars 2 and WoW, I see single theaded performance making a bigger impact.

The OP could spend extra as a gamble that his friend will need the extra cores later, or he could save some money and get better performance in the games his friend plays now. It's up to him.

You are all became infatuated with single benchmarks and do not think for a more balanced system, the case of the Dualcore simply fails because the FX 6300 provides a more balanced,smoother and powerful system especially when multitasking, no lags, no hiccups, no freezes due to the weak dualcore not providing the punch needed, what happens if the user decides to run 2 or more WoW or other mmo games simultaneously on the Dualcore and running multiple programs on the background such as streaming the game or having his web browser alive with 50 tabs? Welcome to dualcore lag and freeze hell destroying the smooth experience that extra cores or threads overall provide. Is that an extreme scenario or its something usual nowdays for almost everybody? I'm merely pointing out that things have changed since the Dualcore days.

 

[Sleepingforest]

I'll agree that more cores typically means more multitasking. But having a web browser open with 50 tabs and having multiple instances of WoW open are not typical.

I believe it is up to the OP to provide more details before a real decision can be made. I point out these benchmarks because that is what makes sense to me: I imagine that when a person plays a fullscreen game like WoW, everything else would be closed, except perhaps a music player. Secondly, not every task takes up a whole core. Otherwise my single core computer (a relic from the past) would be completely unable to run a music player, a web browser, and a web processor at the same time.

Anyway, I'm glad we got past the name calling and got back to reasonable discussion. Thanks, grimpr and itsmydamnation for not falling for the all-to-easy call of anger.

 

[AtenRa]

Cool thanks for the info, yea I guess WoW will really be his main game, with a side of Guildwars 2. So I'll go with the i3 and roll the dice for Intel having the advantage in that game.
As for the 650ti, it was the best buy in his budget, he wanted to keep it under $170.

The GTX650Ti will be he’s bottleneck in the majority of the games not the FX6300 even in WoW and GuidWars 2.

Get him the FX6300, get it up to 4GHz, end of game.

 

[Sleepingforest]

The GTX650Ti will be he’s bottleneck in the majority of the games not the FX6300 even in WoW and GuidWars 2.

Get him the FX6300, get it up to 4GHz, end of game.

I'd say a wiser choice would be to get a Pentium for $40 less than planned (since it performs equally well or better in WoW and Guild Wars) and get a 7850 instead of the 650ti.

 

[Gikaseixas]

the wiser choice is teh FX 6300 because he still be able to play WOW very well. He's not going to notice the difference at all believe me.
Plus, he's going to be ready for other games and more cores right now is the direction the gaming industry seems to be taking. I bet the OP will need to upgrade much sooner if he actually buys the Pentium you're recommending.
Again overall, the FX 6300 is a much better option for him.

 

[zyberon prime]

fx all the way

 

[Sleepingforest]

Again, if he's on a limited budget, I'd take an Ivy Pentium and a 7850 over a FX 6300 and a 650 ti. The video card matters more, and the Pentium performs on the level of the 6300 in WoW and Guild Wars 2 anyway.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Pentium performs on the level of the 6300 in WoW and Guild Wars 2 anyway.

and what about the other games? He's going to play other games and maybe purchase more games to add to his collection, and then what? He's going to find himself stuck with a dual core cpu when he has a choice of doing better than that today.

1- FX
2- i3
3- Pentium
4- Athlon

 

[Sleepingforest]

The choice right now isn't as simple as "what CPU," it's "what build." If this was a situation where the OP wanted a build for general gaming, I would pick the i3 or FX. But, he's on a budget, and by dropping to a Pentium, which doesn't limit the OP's friend in the games he plays, he can get a 7850, which does make a difference. Look at the OP's context:

Cool thanks for the info, yea I guess WoW will really be his main game, with a side of Guildwars 2. So I'll go with the i3 and roll the dice for Intel having the advantage in that game.
As for the 650ti, it was the best buy in his budget, he wanted to keep it under $170.

By getting the Pentium, he can get a 7850 or possibly even a 660. That's a much bigger upgrade in ability than Pentium->i3/FX.