Cheap HomePNA 2.0 bridge/router

targg

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Particularly good for those running a new network in a house tough to wire or for those who have snagged one of the RIO units and want to further explore ethernet over home wiring.

For minor education, HomePNA allows you to run ethernet over your existing telephone wires without disrupting or interrupting regular phone calls. It can be used on a "live" line or on the spare line that isnt currently connected by the phone co. USB and PCI adapters can be had for under $20 and PCMCIA ones for about $50. Home PNA has a 1.0 version that runs at 1Mb/s and a 2.0 version that runs at 10Mb/s. A 100Mb/s version is reported to be coming out shortly. Mixing 1.0 and 2.0 on the same wire is possible, although it drops the rate of the 2.0 devices to about 3Mb/s without improving the 1Mb/s speed of the 1.0 devices. Many tested HomePNA bridges and adapters offer excellent speed, approaching .8-.9Mb/s on the 1.0 version and 8-9+Mb/s on the 2.0 version. Plenty ample for inner home networking if you arent doing heavy video or massive file moves.

To use HomePNA, you either need to get a HomePNA compatible router like the 2Wire Homeportal that supports both ethernet and HomePNA connections to your broadband network, or you need to add a HomePNA bridge that has an ethernet connection on one side for connecting to a hub/switch/broadband and a HomePNA connector on the other side to plug into the phone lines.

You can also do a reverse implementation where you plug a device that has ethernet only (like an Audrey or other fixed function appliance) into the ethernet side of the HomePNA bridge and then into the phone line, to emerge on the other side at another bridge or router supporting HomePNA. I wired up my house this way...Running any Ethernet cabling from my second floor to my first would be a major undertaking, so I have a HomePNA bridge downstairs, connected to a hub, with a bunch of stuff plugged into that, and a Homeportal upstairs connected to the upstairs network and the broadband connection. My two Tigerdirect RIO units are homePNA'd and because I have a bridged network I was able to use a tiny bookpc appliance as my music server even though it only has an ethernet connection and cant take a HomePNA card.

The only problem with the bridges has been that the 2.0 versions have cost $120-150 and more, making them a little spendy for the home networker.

I just found a new bridge from Compex called the TH102, its selling for about $79, so you can get two for the price of one! The used 2.0 units have been ebaying for almost $100 so this is really a great deal.

Buy.com just got them in stock, I have one on order to try out, looks like a feature rich product. If you havent gotten into home networking, one of these hung off your broadband modem and plugged into the phone wire, a handful of $15-20 adapters for your pc's, and you're done!
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kadeeu

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I was going to try using Home PNA by bridging an upstairs puter with my little downstairs LAN and DSL modem. Instead of a hardware bridge I was going to try and use the "bridging" functionality in Windows XP. Unfortunately I never got that far since the PNA card (Netgear) was incompatible with the Via KT133 chipset on my motherboard. Has anybody used XP in this way? It would be nice not to have to get a hardware bridge if there was a software solution.
 

Crump

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I am struggling through try to set up a home network to share my broadband (cable) over other computers in my house via the phonelines. My first solution was a Linksys HomePNA 2.0 router. This worked fine, but one problem - multiplayer games over the internet. Even with the DMZ open, the router would slow my connection down just enough so that when playing 1st person shooters, other people appeared very choppy (and hard to shoot!). Also, when playing games on the Zone, I would often go "out of sync".

This was not good enough for me, so now I am on plan B. Now I have two NIC's in my PC, one RJ45 connected to my cable modem, and the other a Homeline RJ11 NIC (LinkSys). I can connect to other computers and ping them, and can share internet using Sygate. The only problem is, and it is very annoying, often I get the popup saying "network cable unplugged", then it goes right away. Just for a second, Windows thinks the connection is gone. But this happens at random intervals, but only when a homeline networked PC is on. It is VERY annoying tho. I have gone through 2 different HomePNA2.0 NIC's, first a NetGear, then a Linksys. But both were based on the same chip (Broadcom). This is a well known problem. I may try an intel card. I am using Win2000

The perfect solution would be a router that can handle games with no slow down... has anyone used any that work good with multiplayer internet games? Most of the reviews I have read, people are complaining about multiplayer games.

But HomePNA is a neat technology, and since it is new, there will be bugs... but they should be ironed out over time. As far as this compex homepna router, because it is new, I couldn't find any reviews on it.
 

bubsdaddy

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I have a mixed home network consisting of an 8 port hub and some HPNA adapters. I have WinXP Pro and I run the networks in bridged mode. I have Verizon dsl and it's dhcp with dynamic IP's. Now the interesting thing to me is that both of the computers with the HPNA nics get a dynamic IP assigned by Verizon as if they were on the main hub. I have 2 Diamond HPNA 2 USB network adapters and my main system uses a Diamond PCI HPNA 2. It all works great and no external bridge router/hub is needed.
 

targg

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A router like the linksys or a PC based software router is going to produce substantially reduced performance - somewhere around 2-4Mb/s max throughput on the router or .5-2Mb/s on the PC based solution. AFAIK the Homeportal is the only router that approaches 10Mb/s

Thats why the bridge is a good setup - the throughput is almost a perfect 10Mb/s.

The other thing is bad cabling, old cabling or too much of it can drop your speed and introduce errors, just like with ethernet. More than 300-400 feet of total wiring in the phone line you have connected (aggregate from the side of your house to each jack, plus any patch cords to phones) is a big problem. I've got a good sized 12 year old house with an estimated 400' of wire. The homeportal reports about a 1% error rate. YMMV.
 

kimagurealex

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i am using the HPNA 2.0 in for my home network. 2 floor house. i have two computeres downstair and 3 computers in the upstair share cable internet. The phoneline network is very nice except it has problem with KT133 chipset. I can't use it with the USB HPNA2.0 adapter and need to use the PCI card with it. THe rest of my intel base computers are pretty good. i do think first personal shooting gaming is kind of impossible to do with except u have the modem next to ur computer. I bought the PCI Netgear network card for 19.99 each and the net gear PCI ethenet phoneline bridge for 125 with coupon. my house's phone line is around 16years old. Before u use phoneline networking, make sure if u have an unuse DSL line in your house, u better get rip of it totally (I mean, u have to clean out the installation of DSL network outside of the house.) IF not, ur phoneline network will disappear constantly)
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LordThing

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<< I have a mixed home network consisting of an 8 port hub and some HPNA adapters. I have WinXP Pro and I run the networks in bridged mode. I have Verizon dsl and it's dhcp with dynamic IP's. Now the interesting thing to me is that both of the computers with the HPNA nics get a dynamic IP assigned by Verizon as if they were on the main hub. I have 2 Diamond HPNA 2 USB network adapters and my main system uses a Diamond PCI HPNA 2. It all works great and no external bridge router/hub is needed. >>



BubsDaddy Let me get this straight. You are going from the DSL modem into the uplink of a hub. Then from the Hub to your main computer that has a NIC and a PCI PNA adapter. Then from the PCI PNA adapter to the phone jack in the wall. Then at the other rooms the phone line comes into a USB PNA adapter and that computer is on your network. Right? How is XP doing the bridging? Is this a function of ICS (Internet Conection Sharing) with the same concept as using 2 nics and running NAT? If you are getting an actual DHCP address, then I am surprised Verizon doesn't notice your multiple MAC addresses comming off your one modem. :) Still, if this works, this would really help some headaches of mine.

Kinda a related question, If you have your main XP box off and its doing the bridging, does the other 2 nodes function? I would rather have a hardware router (old pc turned into a linux router or a standard brodband router) than to have my main on all the time for the friggin ICS.

 

poppagene

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Glad to see some interest in the HPNA networks. I've got a 2wire 1500 Homeportal as my dsl modem/router and use the ethernet in the same room and phoneline network for my basement computer and my wife's laptop. Every so often, Office Depot will run a $100 rebate on the basic 2wire Homeportal 100 which is a great deal for phoneline networking. old 2wire thread
 

bubsdaddy

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Yes...this is about right. I have an 8 port hub with 4 computers plugged into it including my main system. Each PC gets it's own IP. I asked Verizon about this and the tech said they don't care about the number of IP's I use...the bandwidth will still be restricted to the incoming dsl line wich is connected to the uplink of the 8 port hub. On my main system I also have an HPNA 2.0 nic connected to the phoneline and then I have an I-Opener in my kitchen with a USB Diamond HPNA adapter and a Webplayer in my bedroom with a usb Diamond HPNA adapter. On the main system I have the two seperate networks bridged. No ICS of any kind - bridging will not work with ICS. The I-opener and Webplayer draw an IP from Verizon just like the 4 computers hooked up to the hub. Weird, isn't it? But it works great and who am I to complain about a simplified setup and not having to pay for a 2-wire or a hardware bridge. If you have any more question feel free to email me at jmj@hotmail.com.