Chavez: Our oil reserve does not belong to Mr. Bush

[Strk]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Ok. Maybe I'm playing too many computer games, and not watching enough news (or maybe I need to tighten up my tinfoil beenie a bit), but where is this threat of a Venezuela invasion coming from?

It appears to be directly out of left field to me, but maybe I'm missing something?

There isn't one. Chavez is just trying to look big and "strong" by sticking up to the U.S. even though there is no threat.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Stunt
With the US consuming 61% of oil and the majority of the rest going to Europe (supplied by closer countries like the ME and Russia), i don't think there are too many customers for Venezuela...It's just too far to ship economically. The US is their market, either suck it up and deal with it or suffer the consequences of substantially lower oil production.

Although i can see a work around, kinda what iraq did. Sell Venezuela's oil to Mexico, Mexico to US.
I doubt the US could tell the difference. But i wonder how Venezuela/Mexico ties are relative to Mexico/US.
However, i doubt many americans would take care with Venezuela oil (as Chavez would be initating the embargo)

China and India are more then willing to buy bush's share.
(This story is from his chavez's current trip in india BTW you think he is there for fun?)
over a billion indians need oil too.
Note the BANGALORE in the link I provided

Yes, China and India could become large buyers from Venezuela but there are a few problems:

China is a natural new partner for Venezuela. Its booming economy has pushed the prices of oil and other commodities to record highs. But experts caution that both countries will have to overcome major obstacles before China can ever become a significant alternative to the United States. One problem is geography: Venezuela has no outlet to the Pacific Ocean. Another is logistical: PDVSA's shipping fleet consists of relatively small vessels that can reach American shores within a week. To reach the Far East, the company would have to acquire supertankers. A third impediment is China's energy infrastructure, which lacks refineries capable of processing Venezuela's high-sulfur brand of crude. " [But] it clearly is in the interest of an oil supplier to diversify your buyers as much as you can," says John Felmy, chief economist of the Washington-based American Petroleum Institute, a trade organization. "[But] the realities are very challenging for Chavez because almost no refinery outside the U.S. can handle the crude that Venezuela produces

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6919699/site/newsweek/

They can't easily sell their heavy crude to anyone else that doesn?t have the necessary refinement infrastructure already in place, unlike their lighter grades. Chavez isn?t about to seriously threaten oil revenues again after what happed with the strike. He is using the profits from the state run oil company and taxes on exports to finance his social programs.

His speech is basically political bluster for domestic consumption with the side intent of further increasing oil prices (obviously in his favor). It is extremely unlikely he would take real action and threaten the countries? oil profits at this time when they are getting the most cash out of the buyers.

 

[ITJunkie]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Bush vs. Chavez in a 15-foot-high steel cage!

ONLY ON PAY-PER-VIEW!


I'd be there to slam the door in Bush's face.

LOL...

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Linkage
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Monday accused the United States of planning to portray his country as a security threat in order to capture its vast oil reserves.

"We are just waiting for the United States to announce next that Venezuela has weapons of mass destruction," Chavez said in a speech in the southern Indian city of Bangalore.

Chavez - who has repeatedly accused U.S. President George W. Bush of plotting to assassinate him, a charge Washington denies - said U.S. officials have called him "a threat" and a "destabilizing force" because they want an excuse to gain control over Venezuelan oil reserves.

"The United States government would very much like to keep all our oil for itself," Chavez said. "But our oil reserve does not belong to Mr. Bush. The oil belongs to the Venezuelan people."

On the first-ever visit to India by a Venezuelan leader, Chavez has criticized the United States throughout his four-day sojourn. The former paratrooper also took a shot at Washington over the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

"They went to Iraq thinking they will control Iraq's oil reserves ... but I doubt very much they will ever control that country," he said.

Relations between the United States and Venezuela have deteriorated steadily since Chavez took office in February 1999. The self-proclaimed "revolutionary" maintains close ties with Cuba's Fidel Castro.

On Friday, Chavez said his country would cut off oil supplies to the United States if Washington tries to "hurt" his country. "We want to supply oil to the United States... (But) if there is any aggression, there will be no oil," he warned.


A well loved leader of the people (Granted not the white folk there) constantly threatened and lied about once again with tons of oil. Whowouldathunkit?
How many countries with oil are we going to threaten before we move on from fossil fuels and world-bully tactics?

great another fidel all the world needs

 

[Stunt]

except chavez is elected, not a dictator, his people have far more say than cubans.
Just becauser they are friends doesnt mean they are the same.

 

[daniel49]

oh good so he doesn't wear the cute little military fatigues then?

 

[Stunt]

No not at all...i mean he is social capitalist, but i have nothing wrong with that, norway does quite well being social capitalists...
Chavez is actually a very good looking and smart guy. Castro and he look like opposites.

Chavez 1
Chavez 2
Chavez and Castro getting it on
Chavez 3
Chavez and Chirac

 

[frankie38]

Thats a great idea Senor Chavez. I am sure some DOD think tank has already wargamed that scenario.

Unfortunately, Venzuela willhave to wait. First finish Iraq, then Iran, now if we take out Saudi Arabia then Chavez can go scratch!

 

[Beowulf]

Chavez and Castro are really similar in alot of respects Chavez first tried a coup versus state in 1992 trying to overthrow President Carlos Andres Perez.Similar to the failed coup in Moncada that Fidel Castro did they both went to jail and eventually got amnesty.It got both men in the spotlight ppl got fascinated eventually it was the struggle in the Sierra Maestra and Batista passion to not do anything which got Castro his fame.Chavez got his fame because some ppl thought he was a hero in his failed coup coming out after it failed and he was captured and telling his troops to lay down their weapons.Unlike Castro I don't believe Chavez has the charisma to keep being loved by many and hated by many too I think Chavez will not last anywhere as long as Castr😵f course I could be wrong and Chavez completely edits the constitution to be built around his Castro/Bolivar ideology.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: daniel49
oh good so he doesn't wear the cute little military fatigues then?

Leaders
dressed in
military uniforms...
OMG We're doomed!

 

[Beowulf]

Castro and Chavez in uniform

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
nothing to say this morning except distraction hmm ck?

Chavez is sticking up for himself in the face of a assasination by oil greedy neocons and all you have is a cookie.....I am dissapointed.

Chavez appears to be both paranoid and perhaps delusional. I am reminded of the seeing a homeless man in Baltimore one time, screaming about having to protect his grocery cart from "the govement," who want to take it from him.

That was sad. This is both sad and scary, as this guy has his own country and ties to Castro.

I would be paranoid too after the US already tried to run a coup against me.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
nothing to say this morning except distraction hmm ck?

Chavez is sticking up for himself in the face of a assasination by oil greedy neocons and all you have is a cookie.....I am dissapointed.

Chavez appears to be both paranoid and perhaps delusional. I am reminded of the seeing a homeless man in Baltimore one time, screaming about having to protect his grocery cart from "the govement," who want to take it from him.

Since Chavez was temporarily overthrown by a coup covertly supported by the US and Spain and the US has assassinated leaders it doesn't like in the past, the past indicates that Chavez worrying about such threats isn't delusional or paranoid. Of course, neither of us knows what Venezuelan intelligence has discovered to prompt him with the specifics of an assassination attempt.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
nothing to say this morning except distraction hmm ck?

Chavez is sticking up for himself in the face of a assasination by oil greedy neocons and all you have is a cookie.....I am dissapointed.

Chavez appears to be both paranoid and perhaps delusional. I am reminded of the seeing a homeless man in Baltimore one time, screaming about having to protect his grocery cart from "the govement," who want to take it from him.

That was sad. This is both sad and scary, as this guy has his own country and ties to Castro.

I wonder how paranoid and delusional Allende was? Or the Sandanistas? Or Noriega?

 

[Proletariat]

Word.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
nothing to say this morning except distraction hmm ck?

Chavez is sticking up for himself in the face of a assasination by oil greedy neocons and all you have is a cookie.....I am dissapointed.

Chavez appears to be both paranoid and perhaps delusional. I am reminded of the seeing a homeless man in Baltimore one time, screaming about having to protect his grocery cart from "the govement," who want to take it from him.

Since Chavez was temporarily overthrown by a coup covertly supported by the US and Spain and the US has assassinated leaders it doesn't like in the past, the past indicates that Chavez worrying about such threats isn't delusional or paranoid. Of course, neither of us knows what Venezuelan intelligence has discovered to prompt him with the specifics of an assassination attempt.

The US had "knowledge" of the coup, but no foreign nation has been shown to have been directly involved. So basically you have this nutjob and his supporters saying the US is out to get him, and his "proof" is that this nutjob and his supporters say that the US have tried it before? Hmm..

 

[BBond]

The U.S. "having knowledge" of the coup is diplomatic speak for the U.S. supported the coup.

 

[Genx87]

The U.S. "having knowledge" of the coup is diplomatic speak for the U.S. supported the coup.

And saying the U.S. supported the coup when they just had knowledge of it is liberal nutjob speak for "I like to throw crap out there and hope people eat it".

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Word.

And this why it's hard for some people to take these kinds of discussions seriously. I was trying real hard not to image the OP sitting around in his Chavez shirt, playing some bongos in a haze of smoke, like in some ill-earned stereotype, but you had to go and make that truly insightful post. :thumbsup: Good job!

Hey man, it's almost 4:20, too! I got mine ready - how about you? :roll:

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Genx87

The U.S. "having knowledge" of the coup is diplomatic speak for the U.S. supported the coup.

And saying the U.S. supported the coup when they just had knowledge of it is liberal nutjob speak for "I like to throw crap out there and hope people eat it".

You support a liar who fabricated reasons for an unprovoked invasion which has cost -- so far -- over 1500 U.S. lives, 25000 wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed and maimed, over $200 BILLION and COUNTING

AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL ME A NUTJOB???

 

[Genx87]

You support a liar who fabricated reasons for an unprovoked invasion which has cost -- so far -- over 1500 U.S. lives, 25000 wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed and maimed, over $200 BILLION and COUNTING

AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO CALL ME A NUTJOB???

1. Liar, check
2. Unprovoked invasion, check
3. Mention lives lost in a war, check
4. Iraqi civilians guessitmates, check
5. Cost of war, check

Looks like you have it down pat.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Hey Steeplerot, why do you want oil to go to India?...i mean most of the oil goes to run your powerplants, run your industry, and produce things you consume. Getting the neocons back is not going to get them back as they are some of the richest in the country. All you are wish on at this point is poverty for your citizens and significantly slowing your economy. This is also questionable as i'm sure Canada, Mexico and Saudi's would all collectivly help fill the oil void.
Do you really hope Chavez shuts the taps on the US?...

My electric here is from a dam up in the mountains and wind power.
We have scads of wasted corn and possibly hemp for conversion for truckers and deliveries.
Like I said current oil prices are unrealistic I am fine with getting these SUVs and suburban isolated commuters off the road let them take the bus or train instead of killing brown people to be lazy.
Or at least provide a reasonable vehicle I am not saying anyone should not do something that I wouldn't but americans are just plain whacked out nowdays.
Europe does fine with more efficent vehicles, we on the other hand think we have to walk over the world for that big suv that only one person is using.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Word.

And this why it's hard for some people to take these kinds of discussions seriously. I was trying real hard not to image the OP sitting around in his Chavez shirt, playing some bongos in a haze of smoke, like in some ill-earned stereotype, but you had to go and make that truly insightful post. :thumbsup: Good job!

Hey man, it's almost 4:20, too! I got mine ready - how about you? :roll:

 

[Genx87]

SUVs and suburban isolated commuters off the road let them take the bus or train instead of killing brown people to be lazy.

Werent you the one who told us cars and planes are outdated forms of transportation and trains are the wave of the future?

 

[judasmachine]

If i had a shiatload of oil under me i'd be paranoid too. Of course paranoia infers that there isn't anything to fear, and in this case it's likely that some of his fear is founded. I'd be making sure the rest of the world was watching too.