Charlie explains the whole Fermi debacle in detail

[slayernine]

Charlie is such a sanctimonious jackhole that it's stomach-turning to try and slog thru his bile and gloating to learn anything. A legit site like Ars Technica could've told this story without the juvenile crap, but that's why they're legit and Charlie's just an ATI fanboy troll site.

Well at least Charlie comes out and says what he thinks be it biased or not. He doesn't dance around pretending to be a neutral party. I find he does a great job of digging into what is really going on with corporations. He just focuses more so on the screw ups of certain companies.

I can't blame the guy or anyone else for trying to rake some muck on nVidia as a company. They are simply an untrustworthy marketing machine. They have a reputation for lying to customers and business partners alike. Not sure if any of you are aware but they really have done some shady business with their chip-sets in HP laptops and even the newer Mac Books. They basically all die in 1-3 years from bad thermal design, the Hps that is, haven't seen quite the same issues with the macs yet.

 

[NoQuarter]

Well at least Charlie comes out and says what he thinks be it biased or not. He doesn't dance around pretending to be a neutral party. I find he does a great job of digging into what is really going on with corporations. He just focuses more so on the screw ups of certain companies.

I can't blame the guy or anyone else for trying to rake some muck on nVidia as a company. They are simply an untrustworthy marketing machine. They have a reputation for lying to customers and business partners alike. Not sure if any of you are aware but they really have done some shady business with their chip-sets in HP laptops and even the newer Mac Books. They basically all die in 1-3 years from bad thermal design, the Hps that is, haven't seen quite the same issues with the macs yet.

No way they fixed that with a BIOS patch that maxes out the fan speed long enough to get the GPU past the 1 year warranty

 

[slayernine]

They are going to sell a crapton of Fermi...
...ATi had a real chance here to steal a large amount of marketshare. However, their continued pricing of 5870 is preventing what could have been spectacular for them.

They are not gouging, they just cannot afford to price 5XXX like they did 4XXX. That was a loss-leader that everyone is paying the piper on now.

You see the problem here is that there is not a "crapton" of cards to sell. There is ~10,000 worldwide. 10k is a very small number when you are talking about computer parts that usually sell in the hundreds of thousands in order to start making some profit. They are fighting to keep what market share they have by selling parts at or below cost. ATI will continue to take a greater market share as they still have the best price for performance. Also they have the best temps and power usage. So other than specific purposes like folding@home and server type applications its not a logical choice to buy the few cards out there.

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

BenSkywalker, why the hell do you delete the poster's name when you quote someone? It's so friggin annoying trying to track back and figure out who you're responding to, and has caused confusion on more than one occasion when you were quoting multiple people or a poster+Charlie. And it takes extra effort to do it that way. Do not understand...

 

[thilanliyan]

enough respins to send wreckage to counseling,

:awe:

 

[slayernine]

6 1/2 months late, enormous power draw, enough respins to send wreckage to counseling....

Lol we can only hope. Though its not like you can just switch to the winning side when you have a big green tattoo on your forehead.

 

[NoQuarter]

BenSkywalker, why the hell do you delete the poster's name when you quote someone? It's so friggin annoying trying to track back and figure out who you're responding to, and has caused confusion on more than one occasion when you were quoting multiple people or a poster+Charlie. And it takes extra effort to do it that way. Do not understand...

I think he's manually quoting them, which adding the persons name it would take extra effort.
Like typing out:
[quote]copy/paste[/quote]

 

[Schmide]

All you have to do is select the

and it puts them all in one post.

 

[frostedflakes]

crap, I can't find them now, but I've read a bunch of charts over the past couple of years that display estimated total cost for different cards. iirc gtx 260 ended up ~ $128 and 4890 ~ $121, though I have not seen the charts in a long time. Original costs were higher obviously on both cards but prices were also quite a bit higher at launch. I think that the 30-40% number is, if anything, conservative.

That's only component cost, though. Doesn't take into account man hours than went into design, assembly costs, etc.

 

[OCGuy]

You see the problem here is that there is not a "crapton" of cards to sell. There is ~10,000 worldwide. 10k is a very small number when you are talking about computer parts that usually sell in the hundreds of thousands in order to start making some profit. They are fighting to keep what market share they have by selling parts at or below cost. ATI will continue to take a greater market share as they still have the best price for performance. Also they have the best temps and power usage. So other than specific purposes like folding@home and server type applications its not a logical choice to buy the few cards out there.

Mind linking to your source for only 10,000 cards? I always like to learn more....

 

[MrK6]

The average poster on this forum certainly knows less about the industry then they did several years ago. I recall the nV DXTC compression issue years ago when we had threads where we isolated the DX call with a hex editor and figured out how to modify the games executable to enable significantly improved IQ when using it while the forum at large not only understood what the hell was being discussed, but actually helped track it all down. That was the general AT populace, or the time when we had a group that tracked down some of 3dfx's engineers to explain to them a problem their AA was going to have prior to the V5 launching- they didn't listen, we were correct and they were forced to address it in a driver release not too long after launch(had to do with their sampling being too sparse in terms of TMUs in relation to non adjusted LOD bias when using their multi buffer RG SSAA approach which didn't scale properly). Going from that level, to people not understanding leakage on a new build process...... it's a pretty drastic fall off.

Well, yeah, it's an open forum and everyone joins, especially people from other walks of life who come here to learn about and discuss hardware. However, where as extremely experienced members like IDontCare would take the time to educate others and write up really amazing, informative posts, you just come on here and troll. So who's the real problem here?