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Change you can believe in....NFL commish stumping for OT rule change

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lupi said:
The only thing stupider than college OT rules is someone wanting to change NFL OT rules. If you're team sucks in 2 of the three phases of the game then you're not good enough to win anyways.
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The only thing stupider than your second sentence is your first sentence.
 
rudder said:
That would give the team with the ball an unfair advantage. They could simply take their time and not have to worry about no-huddle offenses and such. 20 seconds to go 80 years... no big deal we have time. Peyton Manning's excitement stock would seriously drop in value.
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That's the point. At least that advantage would be earned by game play and not determined by the coin. You can't tell me that a team running out the clock at the end of the game is being unfair can you? It happens all the time.
 
-The NFL OT system is indeed flawed

-The college OT system, however, is worse. Its barely football. Its incredibly stupid.

-This new system, which was apparently approved 28-4 today, is an abomination. Ever seen the South Park Vote or Die episode? With PETA? Remember the part where they show the guy who had a child with an osterich, and its this mutant half-breed muttering "kill me"? Here, if you haven't seen it: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104402 That's what this new system is. The retarded offspring of the current NFL and College OT systems.

I HATE ROGER GOODELL

edit: The correct solution is the simplest....add another period. It doesn't have to be a full 15 minute quarter. Maybe 7 minutes, or 10 minutes. Then go to a tie in the regular season, or sudden death in the postseason.
 
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Deeko said:
-The NFL OT system is indeed flawed

-The college OT system, however, is worse. Its barely football. Its incredibly stupid.

-This new system, which was apparently approved 28-4 today, is an abomination. Ever seen the South Park Vote or Die episode? With PETA? Remember the part where they show the guy who had a child with an osterich, and its this mutant half-breed muttering "kill me"? Here, if you haven't seen it: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104402 That's what this new system is. The retarded offspring of the current NFL and College OT systems.

I HATE ROGER GOODELL

edit: The correct solution is the simplest....add another period. It doesn't have to be a full 15 minute quarter. Maybe 7 minutes, or 10 minutes. Then go to a tie in the regular season, or sudden death in the postseason.
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This will thoroughly be rejected by the NFLPA. No point in risking further injury in a full contact sport.

They should eliminate FG's in OT. 1st TD wins.
 
Zedtom said:
This is so simple that it makes me wonder why it hasn't always been this way.
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Much like the college system...because it removes a very important aspect of the game.

gimmewhitecastles said:
This will thoroughly be rejected by the NFLPA. No point in risking further injury in a full contact sport.

They should eliminate FG's in OT. 1st TD wins.
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Of course they will. TV doesn't like it either because it makes game length less predictable - they don't want games cutting into other games/programming. That doesn't mean, for the purity of the sport, that it isn't the best option.
 
lupi said:
The only thing stupider than college OT rules is someone wanting to change NFL OT rules. If you're team sucks in 2 of the three phases of the game then you're not good enough to win anyways.
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You're right, if your team sucks in two of the three phases of the game then you're not good enough to win. So we're in agreement that each team should have to play defense in OT?
 
Deeko said:
Much like the college system...because it removes a very important aspect of the game.
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The college system is dumb because it doesnt mesh well with the natural flow of the game.

For every possession of the game it is the offense's intent to score a touchdown unless it is in the closing seconds of the half or regulation. In 1st TD wins scenario, you still have sudden death getting rid of the need for an extra possession, and battle for field position still applies since noone will be going for 4th and long at their own 30.

Besides, everyone hates kickers.
 
fatpat268 said:
Meh, that just sounds lame then. At that rate, it essentially is a modified version of college overtime



Then, you eliminate the need for timeouts and clock management.
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exactly. I kind of like that idea, but you just gave the team with the ball as the clock runs out a HUGE advantage with an extra timeout and completely different clock management
 
silverpig said:
That's the point. At least that advantage would be earned by game play and not determined by the coin. You can't tell me that a team running out the clock at the end of the game is being unfair can you? It happens all the time.
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I think you're still missing it. Yes, taking the coin out of play is essential (though, the opening coin toss is rather important overall), but what your suggestion does completely changes the strategy of the team taking the ball over with 80 seconds to play. there is no incentive to win in regulation.

Of course they could still attempt to drive and kick a field goal, but the need to do that is essentially erased. No more 2 minute drills. Plus, the team now gets an extra TO when regulation ends. that is very unacceptable in terms of football strategy.

The only way to make it somehow fair is to put an extra 10 minutes, then give the other team a chance to respond within that time. But that isn't logical either, as it simply acknowledges that since the team with the ball failed to when it in regulation, scored in OT with an extra time out, now you get an extra chance to score.

That's very uneven.
 
gimmewhitecastles said:
The college system is dumb because it doesnt mesh well with the natural flow of the game.

For every possession of the game it is the offense's intent to score a touchdown unless it is in the closing seconds of the half or regulation. In 1st TD wins scenario, you still have sudden death getting rid of the need for an extra possession, and battle for field position still applies since noone will be going for 4th and long at their own 30.

Besides, everyone hates kickers.
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kickers are hated when they miss, never acknowledged when they do their job, which at the NFL level, is probably 97% of the time for pros.

I think it's only when you watch a game in which a kicker misses some 3 or 4 consecutive field goals, that you realize how completely crucial they are--think San Diego this year in the playoffs. The Chargers entire strategy was screwed b/c they never got those "guaranteed" 30 yard field goals. It's one thing to drive 80 yards, get stopped, and come away with a measly field goal. At least you're still in it.

Do it 4 consecutive times, you become desperate. You suddenly play like you have to get a TD or you're out. Especially coming into the half. Yeah, you should always play to get a TD, but when you're kicker misses 3 easy ones in the first half, you've got another thing on your mind when trying to execute.

A team's confidence in their ability to get at least 3 points out of some 80% of their possessions is crucial in the NFL. This is why kicking a field goal on 4th and 1 at the 2 yard line, especially early in the game, is always the correct decision. Fans hate it; but that's why they aren't paid to win games.
 
The rule is for OT only, and only goes in effect if the team that wins the coin toss kicks a FG on their first possession.

So this hardly does anything.
 
gigahertz20 said:
The rule is for OT only, and only goes in effect if the team that wins the coin toss kicks a FG on their first possession.

So this hardly does anything.
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A) They're voting in May to extend it to the regular season as well. I bet it gets approved.

B) There are a decent amount of first possession field goals in overtime. So yea, it does change things.
 
Deeko said:
Why is it asinine? I don't like shootouts in hockey or soccer, either. Would you replace extra innings in baseball with a home run derby?
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A home run derby involves 70 mph meatballs tossed into the batter's sweet spot, by a hand-picked buddy. While I agree that this would be horrible, if it were to occur in baseball, it would have to be a pitcher trying to strike the hitter out. VERY different situation.

Hitting a home run is by far the absolute hardest thing to do in any world sport. Goalies in Hockey and Soccer aren't hoping that their opponents score on them, it's just freaking hard to defend against an uncontested shot at those ranges.


...and please don't suggest this--you KNOW there are those fools out there that might agree with adding a home run derby--All Star style or the latter. extra innings is perfect simply b/c of how innings work in baseball. Each team gets as even a shot, just as they do throughout the game.

Baseball is pretty much a perfect sport, the more you think about it 😉
 
zinfamous said:
A home run derby involves 70 mph meatballs tossed into the batter's sweet spot, by a hand-picked buddy. While I agree that this would be horrible, if it were to occur in baseball, it would have to be a pitcher trying to strike the hitter out. VERY different situation.

Hitting a home run is by far the absolute hardest thing to do in any world sport. Goalies in Hockey and Soccer aren't hoping that their opponents score on them, it's just freaking hard to defend against an uncontested shot at those ranges.


...and please don't suggest this--you KNOW there are those fools out there that might agree with adding a home run derby--All Star style or the latter. extra innings is perfect simply b/c of how innings work in baseball. Each team gets as even a shot, just as they do throughout the game.

Baseball is pretty much a perfect sport, the more you think about it 😉
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except the season is about 100 games too long
 
zinfamous said:
A home run derby involves 70 mph meatballs tossed into the batter's sweet spot, by a hand-picked buddy. While I agree that this would be horrible, if it were to occur in baseball, it would have to be a pitcher trying to strike the hitter out. VERY different situation.

Hitting a home run is by far the absolute hardest thing to do in any world sport. Goalies in Hockey and Soccer aren't hoping that their opponents score on them, it's just freaking hard to defend against an uncontested shot at those ranges.


...and please don't suggest this--you KNOW there are those fools out there that might agree with adding a home run derby--All Star style or the latter. extra innings is perfect simply b/c of how innings work in baseball. Each team gets as even a shot, just as they do throughout the game.

Baseball is pretty much a perfect sport, the more you think about it 😉
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Well yea, I meant a pitcher actually pitching hard, not all-star style. However, I was using it as an example of why its stupid. I understand why they need shootouts in other sports....I had the misfortune of being at a couple of *super exciting* 0-0 soccer games last year (including a playoff game!!! ugh). Football, however, does not have that problem. People typically score in an extra quarter.
 
Nitemare said:
except the season is about 100 games too long
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every game MATTERS!

😛

actually, kind of true: 1 game playoffs heading into the post season are still rather common.

If the baseball season were to be shortened, you would have to remove the Wild Card in the playoffs. ...and there would be no lack of support for that argument. 😉
 
zinfamous said:
kickers are hated when they miss, never acknowledged when they do their job, which at the NFL level, is probably 97% of the time for pros.

I think it's only when you watch a game in which a kicker misses some 3 or 4 consecutive field goals, that you realize how completely crucial they are--think San Diego this year in the playoffs. The Chargers entire strategy was screwed b/c they never got those "guaranteed" 30 yard field goals. It's one thing to drive 80 yards, get stopped, and come away with a measly field goal. At least you're still in it.

Do it 4 consecutive times, you become desperate. You suddenly play like you have to get a TD or you're out. Especially coming into the half. Yeah, you should always play to get a TD, but when you're kicker misses 3 easy ones in the first half, you've got another thing on your mind when trying to execute.

A team's confidence in their ability to get at least 3 points out of some 80% of their possessions is crucial in the NFL. This is why kicking a field goal on 4th and 1 at the 2 yard line, especially early in the game, is always the correct decision. Fans hate it; but that's why they aren't paid to win games.
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Kickers are crucial but their misses would be a lot more forgivable if that wasn't the only thing they did in the game let alone a single possession.

And going for 4th and 1 deep in opponents territory is a lot more favorable that you think. I don't know what the exact number is but from my memory the conversion rate for 4th down tries of less than a yard is incredibly high. I don't think I've ever seen a failed QB sneak. And even if you do fail on that try you've pinned the opponent at their goal line and they are forced to play conservatively to avoid risking a safety and turnover of possession. This will likely result in favorable field position if your defense isn't made of swiss cheese. I'd say going for 4th and 1 at the 1 is at average medium risk high reward.
 
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