CGW warns readers about $150 ATI X1300Pro

[M0RPH]

Rollo, you're supposed to be a smart guy. Did you even think about what CGW said in this article and make your own judgement, or did you just accept their word as gospel? Is CGW really that reliable in your eyes that you would just go around repeating their opinions without questioning them yourself?

If you look at the X1300Pro review on Xbitlabs you'll see that the card performs about on par with the Geforce 6600. They both win some benchmarks and lose some. ANd the 6600 goes for the same street price. So I don't see how any reasonably knowledgable person would call the X1300Pro a terrible buy, any more than the corresponding Nvidia competitor. Now, you can say that this class of cards are a poor buy in general and that people should step up to the 6600GT/X800 cards. That would be a smart thing to recommend, but bashing the X1300Pro is definately not smart.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: AkumaX
i found a review comparing x1300pro vs 6600gt

so lets see... if the 6600gt consistently beats this card, and the 6600gt can be found at about $120 price point market value, then a good buy on this card would be around what, 80? 90?

Even the 6600DDR2 card beats it consistently.

Wrong. WHich review are you even referring to? The one quoted there has no 6600 in it. The xbitlabs review compares it to the 6600 and they both trade wins back and forth. Please back up your statement.

Rage3d's review of the 6600DDR2

For just $99 bucks the 6600 DDR2 obviously won't let you go tearing through F.E.A.R. at 1600x1200 with loads of anti-aliasing, but for a budget card it's impressive to see how well the 6600 DDR2 performs. It's pretty close to the 6600 GT and gives the X700 Pro a good run for it's money, and actually beating it in many cases, even where ATI traditionally has the advantage. Compared to its market competitor, the X1300 Pro, it's not even close. The 6600 DDR2 soundly defeats it in every single performance test.

Looking around some of the popular online sites it seems that the XFX 600 DDR2 is going for a little over the current MSRP of the card ($117 at Newegg), while the X1300 Pro is hovering around $100 (Sapphire's X1300 Pro is currently going for $99 at Newegg). While the X1300 Pro currently seems to be cheaper on the street, the performance advantage you get with the 6600 DDR2 more than makes up for $18 extra.

Overall the 6600 DDR2 package is very impressive, even more so for a budget part. It is fast enough to handle most gaming tasks even on a relatively low spec machine, it has a nice bundle for a budget priced card, and it overclocks like crazy. This is easily one of the best graphics card values around.

 

[xtknight]

I agree. ATI's mid-range for this generation is crap. The X1600XT just barely beats my 6800NU as I read in Maximum PC. That's if I remember correctly, because I hope I don't. That's supposed to be their high mid-end? My card was low high-end last generation. I'd expect a lot more for paying $250. With the 7800GT at $300, it's absolutely no competition. I'm sick of them neutering their midrange.

A solely HTPC video card (X1300Pro for all real purposes) shouldn't cost $150 in my mind either (not like NVIDIA offers anything cheaper either).

 

[Topweasel]

Its Not about cards on simular level new gen vs. old gen. If a card is poor performer compaired to a simularly price card then it isn't a good purchase. Luckily MSRP has nothing to do with it because at $150 its a rip off at. $100 Its enough better then the 6200 to qualify purchasing at that price. But for that very same reason, a 120 6600 would have an even greater value for spending the difference. On the (extreme) Low end its all about feature that are sellable (sorry but H.264 isn't) and lowest price. DX9 vs. DX8 is a sellable feature as it has an imapct in games, HDR+AA also has a impact in games (even if its a bunch of slide shows with the X1300), It will be up to the sales person to upsell a customer, and if they can do that then I have a feeling they can up sell a 6600 or X800. Even in the most popular market even at $50 less MSRP (a horrible Price anyways) I don't see it being their Geforce2 MX.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Wow more people see through the BS ... nice!

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Did they compare video encoding abilities?

$100 is a great price for the X1300pro imo.

Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
Isn't the real rival to the x1300 is the 6200 and the new 7200 not the 6600 and the new 7600. I can see people like to compare them because of the price but serious if someone wanted to buy a 6200 i would say PLEASE don't!.. Pay 30 dollars more and get the x1300Pro. Have you seen the benchmark, this card is pretty good at 640x480-1024x768 in most games. not better than the 6600GT but something between the 6600 and the 6600GT and thats where it falls in price. I remember the 6200 being 100 bucks a month after it released so i soon expect to see the card fall into the 60-80 dollar range.

for example
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-x1300.html

Originally posted by: nts
The cards here (XL and Pro) are going for <100 for the 256 and <120 for the 512, looks like the US got them last so expect the prices to fall soon.

And I highly doubt anybody buys these for gaming. It does have some other nice features but gaming on low end cards... not gonna look good.

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
since its a new card and NV competitors like 6600 are out for years now its normal that the ATI is more expensive. ANd if Trollo doesnt know how to verify his sources (the x1300pro isnt 150$, its 90,-Eur in Europe agaik) i have no choice but to talk to him in his own language. Btw read between his lines...sentences like "Ouch, I can't actually remember the last time I've seen a product so crucified by the press." clearly show what his interests are. he quotes bs magazines and hopes we bite the bullet. sry, but i dont like that trolloing.

Originally posted by: IeraseU
I think the x1300 is a fantastic card for those interested in encoding or HTPC use.

Originally posted by: Killrose
And right now it's $99 @Newegg.

Of course certain people would not bother checking prices so they can perpetuate FUD.

Oh, but someone else said it so its OK :roll:

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Somebody just scored some points with AEG. 😉

Just please tell me why you think you should not be banned for this?

:roll:

Then PM the mods about it if you're so sure it's a bannable offense and quit bothering the rest of us with your threats.

Its funny coming from a guy who started a poll with flame-bait against apoppin .. (also funny that he doesnt have problem with Rollo calling some one a 'knucklehead')

Why do you find everything funny? It's funny this, and It's funny how that.. ????

Anyway, Apoppin and I are square with each other. So don't concern yourself with it. I apologized to him if I insulted him. He accepted. And I don't condone name calling so that is not really acceptable although I would not consider that bannable. Why do you? I guess it depends on what is said and how it is said.

And, you will most likely never catch morph apologizing to Rollo for making that AEG statement. I know you guys are ATI through and through, and thats fine. But you really need to draw the line somewhere. Defending another member who just openly accused another member of association with AEG alone is despisable.

Now, would either of you like to make a comment on the X1300? Or are you just here to do what you do best?

-Cheers

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: AkumaX
i found a review comparing x1300pro vs 6600gt

so lets see... if the 6600gt consistently beats this card, and the 6600gt can be found at about $120 price point market value, then a good buy on this card would be around what, 80? 90?

Even the 6600DDR2 card beats it consistently.

Wrong. WHich review are you even referring to? The one quoted there has no 6600 in it. The xbitlabs review compares it to the 6600 and they both trade wins back and forth. Please back up your statement.

Rage3d's review of the 6600DDR2

For just $99 bucks the 6600 DDR2 obviously won't let you go tearing through F.E.A.R. at 1600x1200 with loads of anti-aliasing, but for a budget card it's impressive to see how well the 6600 DDR2 performs. It's pretty close to the 6600 GT and gives the X700 Pro a good run for it's money, and actually beating it in many cases, even where ATI traditionally has the advantage. Compared to its market competitor, the X1300 Pro, it's not even close. The 6600 DDR2 soundly defeats it in every single performance test.

Looking around some of the popular online sites it seems that the XFX 600 DDR2 is going for a little over the current MSRP of the card ($117 at Newegg), while the X1300 Pro is hovering around $100 (Sapphire's X1300 Pro is currently going for $99 at Newegg). While the X1300 Pro currently seems to be cheaper on the street, the performance advantage you get with the 6600 DDR2 more than makes up for $18 extra.

Overall the 6600 DDR2 package is very impressive, even more so for a budget part. It is fast enough to handle most gaming tasks even on a relatively low spec machine, it has a nice bundle for a budget priced card, and it overclocks like crazy. This is easily one of the best graphics card values around.

Ok now can you show me a link where this card is sold? Because I don't see it at Newegg.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: AkumaX
i found a review comparing x1300pro vs 6600gt

so lets see... if the 6600gt consistently beats this card, and the 6600gt can be found at about $120 price point market value, then a good buy on this card would be around what, 80? 90?

Even the 6600DDR2 card beats it consistently.

Wrong. WHich review are you even referring to? The one quoted there has no 6600 in it. The xbitlabs review compares it to the 6600 and they both trade wins back and forth. Please back up your statement.

Rage3d's review of the 6600DDR2

For just $99 bucks the 6600 DDR2 obviously won't let you go tearing through F.E.A.R. at 1600x1200 with loads of anti-aliasing, but for a budget card it's impressive to see how well the 6600 DDR2 performs. It's pretty close to the 6600 GT and gives the X700 Pro a good run for it's money, and actually beating it in many cases, even where ATI traditionally has the advantage. Compared to its market competitor, the X1300 Pro, it's not even close. The 6600 DDR2 soundly defeats it in every single performance test.

Looking around some of the popular online sites it seems that the XFX 600 DDR2 is going for a little over the current MSRP of the card ($117 at Newegg), while the X1300 Pro is hovering around $100 (Sapphire's X1300 Pro is currently going for $99 at Newegg). While the X1300 Pro currently seems to be cheaper on the street, the performance advantage you get with the 6600 DDR2 more than makes up for $18 extra.

Overall the 6600 DDR2 package is very impressive, even more so for a budget part. It is fast enough to handle most gaming tasks even on a relatively low spec machine, it has a nice bundle for a budget priced card, and it overclocks like crazy. This is easily one of the best graphics card values around.

Wow!! This reviewer sounds pretty sure of himself here. "The 6600DDR2 xoundly defeats it in every single performance test.

LOL Morph. Make up your mind. First, Cookie was dead wrong about the performance. Then he shows you. So then your like, "Yeah!?!, Well, Ummm, where can you buy it though huh? Huh?!? So, you "Morphed" the convo yet further to serve your own purpose.
Pretty sly.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Why do you find everything funny? It's funny this, and It's funny how that.. ????

Because I dont take things seriously like you do? (calling names, getting upset, giving threats, carving out "enemies" <- 😀 )

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Anyway, Apoppin and I are square with each other. So don't concern yourself with it. I apologized to him if I insulted him. He accepted. And I don't condone name calling so that is not really acceptable although I would not consider that bannable. Why do you?

Ofcourse every murderer will say that he is an exception .. 😉

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And, you will most likely never catch morph apologizing to Rollo for making that AEG statement.

I wont speak for anybody else.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I know you guys are ATI through and through, and thats fine. But you really need to draw the line somewhere.

If you say so, then feel free. Doesnt change the reality -> I'm an nvidia owner sick of BS here.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Defending another member who just openly accused another member of association with AEG alone is despisable.

I'm not defending anybody. What is worse is your one-sided agenda. Why dont you have a problem with Rollo in this thread calling a member "knucklehead"? :roll:

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Now, would either of you like to make a comment on the X1300? Or are you just here to do what you do best?

The intention why this thread was is crystal clear to those who have a fair mind.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Its Not about cards on simular level new gen vs. old gen. If a card is poor performer compaired to a simularly price card then it isn't a good purchase. Luckily MSRP has nothing to do with it because at $150 its a rip off at. $100 Its enough better then the 6200 to qualify purchasing at that price. But for that very same reason, a 120 6600 would have an even greater value for spending the difference. On the (extreme) Low end its all about feature that are sellable (sorry but H.264 isn't) and lowest price. DX9 vs. DX8 is a sellable feature as it has an imapct in games, HDR+AA also has a impact in games (even if its a bunch of slide shows with the X1300), It will be up to the sales person to upsell a customer, and if they can do that then I have a feeling they can up sell a 6600 or X800. Even in the most popular market even at $50 less MSRP (a horrible Price anyways) I don't see it being their Geforce2 MX.

The regular 6600 is not an upsell to the 1300Pro, there really is no clear winner between the two, just depends on which game you look at. It looks like the beefed up 6600DDR2 does pull ahead, but I'm not sure about price/availability of that one.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Why do you find everything funny? It's funny this, and It's funny how that.. ????

Because I dont take things seriously like you do? (calling names, getting upset, giving threats, carving out "enemies" <- 😀 )

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Anyway, Apoppin and I are square with each other. So don't concern yourself with it. I apologized to him if I insulted him. He accepted. And I don't condone name calling so that is not really acceptable although I would not consider that bannable. Why do you?

Ofcourse every murderer will say that he is an exception .. 😉

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And, you will most likely never catch morph apologizing to Rollo for making that AEG statement.

I wont speak for anybody else.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I know you guys are ATI through and through, and thats fine. But you really need to draw the line somewhere.

If you say so, then feel free. Doesnt change the reality -> I'm an nvidia owner sick of BS here.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Defending another member who just openly accused another member of association with AEG alone is despisable.

I'm not defending anybody. What is worse is your one-sided agenda. Why dont you have a problem with Rollo in this thread calling a member "knucklehead"? :roll:

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Now, would either of you like to make a comment on the X1300? Or are you just here to do what you do best?

The intention why this thread was is crystal clear to those who have a fair mind.

Wait a minute, I'm not supposed to be talking to you.. Hmmm I almost forgot. Ciao.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Wait a minute, I'm not supposed to be talking to you.. Hmmm I almost forgot. Ciao.

Typical keys response when he gets called out like this:

Your one-sided agenda -> Why dont you have a problem with Rollo in this thread calling a member "knucklehead"?

🙂

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

LOL Morph. Make up your mind. First, Cookie was dead wrong about the performance. Then he shows you. So then your like, "Yeah!?!, Well, Ummm, where can you buy it though huh? Huh?!? So, you "Morphed" the convo yet further to serve your own purpose.
Pretty sly.

He didn't make it clear that he was talking about a completely new version of the Geforce 6600. If he would have priovided the information in the first place, then there wouldn't have been any confusion on my part.

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: remagavon

Originally posted by: AkumaX
i found a review comparing x1300pro vs 6600gt

so lets see... if the 6600gt consistently beats this card, and the 6600gt can be found at about $120 price point market value, then a good buy on this card would be around what, 80? 90?

Why do they have an A64 overclocked at 2.7ghz when they're comparing a budget card? That's slightly out of place. 😛

it's to take out the CPU as a bottleneck in order to ensure that performance comparisons are clearly GPU limited rather than CPU limited

it's like using a Celeron 1.8 and playing HL2 16x12. of course you're gonna have low FPS. but is it because of the CPU? (obviously) or GPU? (a factor also)

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

LOL Morph. Make up your mind. First, Cookie was dead wrong about the performance. Then he shows you. So then your like, "Yeah!?!, Well, Ummm, where can you buy it though huh? Huh?!? So, you "Morphed" the convo yet further to serve your own purpose.
Pretty sly.

He didn't make it clear that he was talking about a completely new version of the Geforce 6600. If he would have priovided the information in the first place, then there wouldn't have been any confusion on my part.

Well, true i shouldve provided the link, but this is the hardware community isnt it. I did expect people to know about the 6600 DDR2 product which is nothing but amazing for its price.

btw i wish AT did reviews liek rage3ds. Rage3ds reviews are the best i reckon.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Well, true i shouldve provided the link, but this is the hardware community isnt it. I did expect people to know about the 6600 DDR2 product which is nothing but amazing for its price.

btw i wish AT did reviews liek rage3ds. Rage3ds reviews are the best i reckon.

Still waiting for the link where I can purchase this new 6600DDR2. You know, because it looks like a nice card and I might want to buy one. 😛

 

[Sunrise089]

Originally posted by: Sunrise089

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Somebody just scored some points with AEG. 😉

I don't get it. What's AEG?

I think this is getting lost in all the yelling, but I really want to know.

What's AEG?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Well, true i shouldve provided the link, but this is the hardware community isnt it. I did expect people to know about the 6600 DDR2 product which is nothing but amazing for its price.

btw i wish AT did reviews liek rage3ds. Rage3ds reviews are the best i reckon.

Still waiting for the link where I can purchase this new 6600DDR2. You know, because it looks like a nice card and I might want to buy one. 😛

And I'm still waiting for a comment from you why you think you should not be banned for your AEG comment above? I asked you this first before the DingoCreig Dancers waltzed in here. I'll deal with them in a moment, but first, I want to know why you think what you did was acceptable.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

use the search button http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1748857

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Well, true i shouldve provided the link, but this is the hardware community isnt it. I did expect people to know about the 6600 DDR2 product which is nothing but amazing for its price.

btw i wish AT did reviews liek rage3ds. Rage3ds reviews are the best i reckon.

Still waiting for the link where I can purchase this new 6600DDR2. You know, because it looks like a nice card and I might want to buy one. 😛

Pricewatch? i cant be bothered looking for the best deals aroudn the web you know.

$112.58

10 in stock, $112.00

Im sure there is better deals out there, but i dont live in America so.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Sunrise089

Originally posted by: Sunrise089

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Somebody just scored some points with AEG. 😉

I don't get it. What's AEG?

I think this is getting lost in all the yelling, but I really want to know.

What's AEG?

Here ya go. Just read the link apoppin gives in the first post.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Well, true i shouldve provided the link, but this is the hardware community isnt it. I did expect people to know about the 6600 DDR2 product which is nothing but amazing for its price.

btw i wish AT did reviews liek rage3ds. Rage3ds reviews are the best i reckon.

Still waiting for the link where I can purchase this new 6600DDR2. You know, because it looks like a nice card and I might want to buy one. 😛

Here ya go: Mwave 6600 DDR2 $113.00 and IN STOCK

I think someone owes Cookie Monster a cookie. 😉

 

[nts]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And I'm still waiting for a comment from you why you think you should not be banned for your AEG comment above?

Why should he?

I want to know why you think what you did was acceptable.

I want to know why you think it wasn't, It even had a smiley at the end...

You are way over reacting (are you Rollo on another account?😛), it was obviously a joke and for all you know Rollo could very well be in AEG, nobody knows so...

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

And I'm still waiting for a comment from you why you think you should not be banned for your AEG comment above? I asked you this first before the DingoCreig Dancers waltzed in here. I'll deal with them in a moment, but first, I want to know why you think what you did was acceptable.

Rollo continues to act like he's a Nvidia/AEG shill, scouring every media source out there including print, looking for anything negative on ATI that he can post. Even if he isn't in their program, he might be bucking to get into it. So no, I won't apologize for any jokes I make at his expense, even if it does get me in trouble.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Well, true i shouldve provided the link, but this is the hardware community isnt it. I did expect people to know about the 6600 DDR2 product which is nothing but amazing for its price.

btw i wish AT did reviews liek rage3ds. Rage3ds reviews are the best i reckon.

Still waiting for the link where I can purchase this new 6600DDR2. You know, because it looks like a nice card and I might want to buy one. 😛

Here ya go: Mwave 6600 DDR2 $113.00 and IN STOCK

I think someone owes Cookie Monster a cookie. 😉

Lol that is a typo, they even mention it has High-Speed GDDR3 Memory Interface Support for the world's fastest GDDR3 memory delivers fluid frame rates for even the most advanced games and applications.

:disgust:

 

[Ackmed]

You would be better of just ignoring like I have done. It makes it much better.

CGW's main arguement, is that its not good enough for $150. I agree with this. However, like many others have posted, its had for much less than $150, under $100 even. Being much lower in price, would surely give them a different verdict on the card. But then again, anyone making a video card decision based on a magazine article deserves what they get.