!! CERN claims faster-than-light particle measured

[Aikouka]

the more i read on Tesla the more amazed i am about the man.

Heck yeah! I saw The Prestige, he invented cloning! :thumbsup:

 

[SMOGZINN]

Wasn't FTL already discovered when some photons were sent through cesium atoms a while back?

No, we have always known for a long time that the speed of light is variable mattering what materials it is traveling though. So nothing could travel though cesium faster then light, nothing can travel though a vacuum faster then light...

So they weren't recording the other times they shot neutrinos at stuff? Did neutrinos obey the laws of physics as we know them before? Maybe they weren't able to measure before because the distances involved were too short for the measurement to exceed the error margin.

Neutrinos have always obeyed the speed of light law in all other tests, if these are really breaking the speed of light something very queer is happening, something much more then just normally accelerated neutrinos. As someone else mentioned, it is more probable that they managed to warp space. They are looking for the mass particle after all.

 

[bfdd]

SMOGZINN, warping space would be cooler than going faster than light anyways and couldn't it be used for the practical purpose of traveling faster than light could anyways?

 

[DominionSeraph]

I never really believed that there is a maximum attainable speed. Cars have a speed, trains have a speed, sound has a speed, light has a speed... just because light is the fastest thing we've ever recorded does not mean it's the max.

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Go back to school.

 

[Malak]

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Go back to school.

no you

 

[RedRooster]

no you

No siree, we've already discovered everything. The knowledge of our universe has been recorded in the encyclopedia britannica for the ages! Now we just play the waiting game...

 

[GagHalfrunt]

No, we have always known for a long time that the speed of light is variable mattering what materials it is traveling though. So nothing could travel though cesium faster then light, nothing can travel though a vacuum faster then light...

But lots of things can travel through solid rock faster than light.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

But lots of things can travel through solid rock faster than light.

My car once traveled through a brick wall much faster than light.

 

[Red Squirrel]

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Go back to school.

I don't know why you're saying this. Apparently I was just thinking ahead of everyone else if CERN is now saying I was right.

Besides, school did not really teach anything beyond how to hook up 2 AA batteries together to make a light bulb go on. That's about as far as any of my science classes ever went. I scared the teacher when I wanted to show the class what 120vac can do. :biggrin:

 

[Paul98]

I have been trying to find some good info on this. What is written in the media about physics never what is really happening. I will hold my judgment till I find out what the science actually says and the results are verified.

But it could be very interesting if it's actually moving faster than c. But would bring up some very interesting questions such as how especially if they have mass.

The vast majority of people don't really even know why things with mass can't go faster than c. Look at it this way, no matter how fast you are moving with respect to something else, you aren't moving in your own frame of reference. So to you you will always see light moving at C with respect to yourself. Aka you can accelerate in your own frame of reference at a constant speed for how ever long you like, and you will never get closer to the speed of light in your own frame of reference.

 

[Paul98]

A good way to verify that neutrinos move faster than C would be from a supernova. You would be able to detect the neutrinos from a supernova that is many light years away long before you would see the light from the supernova. If that turns out to be true I would be surprised it hadn't been seen before.

 

[Gibsons]

A good way to verify that neutrinos move faster than C would be from a supernova. You would be able to detect the neutrinos from a supernova that is many light years away long before you would see the light from the supernova. If that turns out to be true I would be surprised it hadn't been seen before.

hence this part of the article:
He cautioned that the neutrino researchers would also have to explain why similar results weren't detected before, such as when an exploding star - or supernova - was observed in 1987.

 

[DrPizza]

I'm excited to see what error it is that they made at CERN. It will, of course, be exciting to see if they are correct, but other observations have already pretty much confirmed that neutrinos travel at (Edit: close to)the speed of light. i.e. observations of the recent supernova millions of light years away.

So, what could it be? Something with the curvature of the earth? Time difference due to different distances from the center of the Earth? (Time is traveling at a different rate for the 2nd floor of your house than it is for the first floor of your house - something that's now measurable (and has been measured experimentally.))

 

[Malak]

I'm excited to see what error it is that they made at CERN. It will, of course, be exciting to see if they are correct, but other observations have already pretty much confirmed that neutrinos travel at the speed of light. i.e. observations of the recent supernova millions of light years away.

So, what could it be? Something with the curvature of the earth? Time difference due to different distances from the center of the Earth? (Time is traveling at a different rate for the 2nd floor of your house than it is for the first floor of your house - something that's now measurable (and has been measured experimentally.))

Because nothing could have possibly happened in between here and millions of light years away to alter the data....

 

[Gibsons]

I'm excited to see what error it is that they made at CERN. It will, of course, be exciting to see if they are correct, but other observations have already pretty much confirmed that neutrinos travel at the speed of light. i.e. observations of the recent supernova millions of light years away.

So, what could it be? Something with the curvature of the earth? Time difference due to different distances from the center of the Earth? (Time is traveling at a different rate for the 2nd floor of your house than it is for the first floor of your house - something that's now measurable (and has been measured experimentally.))

My Dumb Question: do neutrinos have a wavelength?

Everything has a wavelength...?

 

[DominionSeraph]

That's about as far as any of my science classes ever went.

Which is why you need to go back to school.

The speed of light being the universal speed limit isn't because, "nothing we have measured has gone faster," it is because the measurement itself changes to make it true. That is the "relativity" in Relativity. And we have tons of observations that show that the measurement of distance and time change in keeping with the speed of light constant.

 

[makken]

I'm excited to see what error it is that they made at CERN. It will, of course, be exciting to see if they are correct, but other observations have already pretty much confirmed that neutrinos travel at the speed of light. i.e. observations of the recent supernova millions of light years away.

So, what could it be? Something with the curvature of the earth? Time difference due to different distances from the center of the Earth? (Time is traveling at a different rate for the 2nd floor of your house than it is for the first floor of your house - something that's now measurable (and has been measured experimentally.))

wouldn't that cause an issue in itself since neutrinos have a non-zero mass?

 

[Jeff7]

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As someone else mentioned, it is more probable that they managed to warp space. They are looking for the mass particle after all.

"Sorry, I created a tiny wormhole there for a few nanoseconds. My bad."

 

[McLovin]

 

[The Boston Dangler]

My Dumb Question: do neutrinos have a wavelength?

Everything has a wavelength...?

waves have wavelengths. neutrinos are particles not waves, and not particles and waves like photons. right?

 

[Shmee]

not entirely. Look up wave/particle duality, and deBroighly wavelength. I am sure I spelled his french name wrong lol.

Basically, all particles also can behave as waves. Even electrons and protons. At the quantum level, everything is transmutable and, well, weird.

Also, can I request this be moved to highly technical? I think it might get better, more appropriate traffic there.

 

[OlafSicky]

Dude could be right if this is correct than this means aliens can exist and it's possible for them to visit our planet from distant galaxies. I will welcome my new alien overlords and I'm willing to be the head of their religion here on earth.




---------------But seriously I think their equipment “malfunctioned” I'm willing to bet they created this little controversy to get more money

 

[Powermoloch]

the question is....

will it blend?

 

[Nemesis 1]

I think mankind has to start thinking we DON'T know everything about the universe and these so called Laws of Physics are nothing more than the ramblings and accepted convention of a primitive animal.
Good for them to discover this though, only 300 millions years after the rest of the beings in the universe did.

To put it more simply its mind control . So something is operating outside of time and space and ya call this news . LOL

 

[zinfamous]

the question is....

will it blend?

you know, i think that's kinda what they are doing with these experiments.

:hmm: