Cerb's GTX 970 Performance/Watt Discussion

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kasakka

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Maybe I'm deaf (I do have a little VLF hearing loss), but I can just barely hear the cooler on my XFX 290 DD at 100% with the side of the case open and on the floor (when I was messing around trying to unlock it).

I've seen a lot of people say "ZOMG! 3300rpm! It sound liek a black-label Delta lulz" when it is simply not true. At ~60% (stock 290 DD at load), I don't hear anything with the case open.

A cooler is a lot more things than just it's rated rpm. What matters is what kind of noise it makes. Some make a low hum which is usually more pleasant and less audible than high pitched whine.

I don't think the "fans off at idle" design is all that necessary either. I have two Gigabyte GTX 970 cards and after an easy BIOS mod (the stock idle was a bit high) they run at completely inaudible levels in idle even though the fans are still spinning. I don't know what kind of effect the stop/start of fans has on the fan's life expectancy compared to fans spinning all the time.

For a single card it comes to preference which one you want, 290 or 970 but for dual cards I'd say the 970 is the better option as the 290s with better coolers seem to come with quite massive coolers (more than two slots) which would not do well at least in my case. The lower power draw of the 970 is sure to help as well.
 

dacostafilipe

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My Asus Strix 970 GTX makes more noise them my 290X Tri-x.

But the 290X produces more heat and I need to open my case because I'm to lazy to change the fans to allow a better airflow.

This is when gaming, on Desktop the fan turn off on the 970.
 

Qwertilot

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The precisely zero noise thing isn't absolutely crucial but it is nice and does act as a handy guarantee that the manufacturer has got idle noise very low. They've often not been very good at that :(

iirc even many of the 750ti's never really did it.

You can almost see it on the SPCR review of the Strix 960. That's a fairly quiet card anyway of course, but they seem to have tuned the fans to keep it at ~60 degrees under load. Presumably for over clocking headroom or some such.

Anyhow they altered it to aim at 75 degrees instead and it really did turn very quiet :)
 

skipsneeky2

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Anyhow they altered it to aim at 75 degrees instead and it really did turn very quiet :)

I would worry more about vrms and other components keeping cool over the core if the gpu hit those temps without the fan running.I like keeping my 970 actively cooled when i game and my 35 cel 45% fan curve honestly works very well.

I played with my curve the first day i got this pretty much all day,dialing in where to start and every game loaded to 35 cel,i studied the idle desktop temps and they stayed under 34cel often times.

Card is designed for 80cel,i tried the lowest rpm possible on this card and i wouldn't load pass 70cel. I think that was about 600rpm or so at 35%.It is insane.:eek:
 

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Card is designed for 80cel,i tried the lowest rpm possible on this card and i wouldn't load pass 70cel. I think that was about 600rpm or so at 35%.It is insane.:eek:

Modern VRMs are rated at 120-125C. I wouldn't worry about them as I've ran my 7970s max overclocked and overvolted for mining for years near 96-98C VRM temps.

BTW, 970 starts limiting boost at 80-82C but its rated far higher at 98C
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications
 

skipsneeky2

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BTW, 970 starts limiting boost at 80-82C but its rated far higher at 98C
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications

Yeah the rating for when boost starts getting limited is why i mentioned 80 cel:) Still trying to get over how much cooler this thing runs over my old 770,i would throttle my 770 if i went for its stock 1024rpm 33% curve as i would hit 80cel.

Easing in slowly to maybe letting the card do its own thing over manually running a curve,just babying this thing as it cost me a decent bit.:)
 

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Not sure what 770 you had but MSI Lightning 770 @ 1228mhz overclock maxed out at 72C.

GTX970s are in the 63-77C range, not that it matters because a card running 60C vs. a card running 85C won't last any longer in the real world (i.e., by the time it fails from overheating, it will be long obsolete). People incorrectly associate higher temperatures with exponentially higher power usage and lower temperatures with much lower power usage. That is not necessarily true.

EVGA Classified 780Ti max overclocked runs at 75C but the card peaks at 286W of power. For mid-range to ultra-high end cards, the cooler matters a lot more in determining how cool and quiet a card is than its power consumption. You can throw an AIO CLC on a 300W card and it'll run mid-70s, cool and quiet. Alternatively, I had a PNY 6600 card that had a poor heatsink and wasn't particularly quiet.

I really think TPU needs to add a separate page for Perf/Watt of the entire system separate from Perf/watt of each GPU basis. This way we get to see which GPU architecture is more efficient in TDP limited scenarios but also which i5/i7 gaming rig when paired with which GPU is more efficient.
 
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skipsneeky2

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Not sure what 770 you had but MSI Lightning 770 @ 1228mhz overclock maxed out at 72C.

GTX970s are in the 63-77C range


Had the Zotac Amp! 770,2050rpm or 65% i would load about 71-75cel depending on ambient.Not sure which 970 could hit 77cel but i know this Strix simply can't do that as long as the fans run.

Max temperature hit actually 71cel today,768rpm or 34% in MSI AB,it can hit mid 600s but MSI AB is odd with the 33% part.Was playing BF4 for a couple hours and that is where it landed at.Can't hear the cooler till 55% or 1630rpm which i simply don't need that.

Certainly more quiet then the 770 with the rpms that keep it under 70cel like 1300rpm.Been all over the rpms on this 970,its just crazy efficient:)
 

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Only just saw this here. So, to address much that already went on, more completely than by line items...

By 2003, I had my cooled the following way:
Athlon XP with an AX-7 and 120mm Nexus, undervolted (don't recall if 5V or 7v)
Geforce 4 Ti with a huge north bridge cooler, and Gamma28 at 5v pointing to it.
PSU fan forced undervolted.
I moved to a custom case, with no direct paths for noise to get out, once completed. The droning noises of fans tends to be rather annoying, so I was thrilled to be rid of them. I would love nothing more than to have good performance, yet get back to that point, with an SSD (even quiet HDDs need some work to be hidden in such a system). These days, I do sometimes need my PC in a professional capacity, so highly custom 'projects' involving cooling it are pretty much out of the question, unlike back then.

At work, there's enough noise around that I don't hear my Optiplex, usually. At home, the same class of PC (same thing with less RAM and an i3, I have worked on at home) is, at idle, about as loud as my desktop under GPU load (a bit quieter than synthetic tests, but subjectively similar compared to gaming).

Every step from that Athlon XP system has been some form of regression, during times with a gaming GPU. After ATI's amazing drivers (I <3 AMD), I sidegraded from a 9600XT to a FX 5900XT. I managed to keep it acceptable with a Zalman ZM80C-HP, and a couple weeks of experimenting with a 120mm nexus (I had to add one to stir air around in the case). That ended up being audible, if barely, all the time :\.

After an upgrade not for gaming (obviously it was easy for the ~3 years I was out of gaming, with a passive 7300GT and Core 2 Duo), and getting back in, I got a decent (Gigabyte) GTX 460. It was OK for a little bit, especially after BIOS modding to set the fans lower, and with voltage and clock control in early drivers that went both ways. But, after awhile (6 months, maybe?), bearing noises began, and I replaced the cooler with an MK-13. That was OK, but not what I wanted (the GTX 460 was at the edge of its real capability, so the fans couldn't always be super slow). Later, the MK-26 finally was enough to really quiet it down, to where it was only just audible under load. However, it also used up all my PCIe slots. I would have gotten USB 3.0 on that PC, were a slot available, and passed on that because of only having available PCI slots (for my current PC, I had to go find new bolts, because the backplate and bolts stuck out too far to fit, rather than just blocking a slot, which also meant just going by feel from the screwdriver for getting even torque--:eek: I'll pass on a repeat of that!).

I ended up needing to change to a normal case, just due to space constraints, in which I was able to get it inaudible, partly by putting the PC itself in an inconvenient spot, that, through some luck, did not reflect back to me what little noise was being made.

I've built PCs with nice quiet cases, like the P180, P183, Define, R4 and Define Mini. Even with added absorbing material, they cannot mask fans, once the fans reach a point where they could be heard if freely spinning. Simple dBA SPL is a useful number, but a weighted average level. Any sound absorbing material thin enough (like <2" thick) to go into a PC simply cannot attenuate enough, in the low kHz or lower, to make a difference, except at high frequencies. If using parts don't make much high frequency noise at all, and don't transfer vibration to the case, the added mass and materials don't do any more good that in a case without them, but it otherwise well designed (things like a door v. open from fan grill, FI, still make big differences).

Here is an example (I don't want to hotlink, so scroll down to the frequency graph):
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1325-page4.html

The noise made is directly correlated with RPM, increases at a rate equal to or greater than RPM, and is low enough in frequency that much of it will simply pass right through the barriers of the case. The only way to reduce its presence is to reduce the amount made (as can be seen, Asus did well removing the really annoying high frequency tones, already, for that cooler). That can be done with bigger fans running slower, to a point. But, once slow enough, like say a ~300 RPM 180mm fan, the pressure changes slowly enough to start hearing, "wub-wub-wub-wub," noises from the air chopping action, even feet away, if the intake isn't indirect.

Watts generated have to go somewhere. Once looking at Watts in = Watts out, there aren't even expensive drinks :(, much less a free lunch. While low idles got better than Fermi over the last few years, light loading, like video watching, accelerated desktop programs, and old games, still brought GPUs from both vendors to high enough power consumption that, in terms of managing the noise, a new card would be only a minor upgrade (almost no upgrade in noise terms, while still requiring effort I did not want to repeat). In light of nVidia's response to the ROPs and RAM issue (I can accept that some things slip through the cracks, but they are not handling it well), if the upcoming Radeons are as good, I might just side-grade, like I did the other direction way back when. If it's going to use 50W+ outside of a game, it needs fans spun up, and in a 2-slot space, they can only be made so quiet, without reducing the amount of heat that needs to be evacuated.

I've heard them. I've built and worked on PCs with them. I am not denying that there are whisper quiet options for either camp. There are, and that's good (especially from Asus, MSI, and Sapphire), but they still sound like annoying little fans, by and large, and my room gets quiet enough to readily hear them, in cases, at whatever dBA the annoying frequencies happen to be. Maxwell's scaling in actual power used, however, much like Haswell's, when in between maxed out and idle, is exceptional, compared to what has been released so far. Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte are the ones that did the real legwork, here (GB's may not turn the fans off, but they did very well on the VRMs and load noise). But, the GPU's capabilities and performance are what made it possible, and there are only three models of the same series on the market right now equally capable (at very different price points, and with the 960 really needing a Ti performance gap filler).

My PC aught to only indicate that it is on by peripherals responding. I should be able to hear squirrels rustling in the trees at night, rather than PC fans. I have reached that point at idle, with an unmodified card, which I consider to be quite feat, given prior needs to get there costing a hefty added chunk of money and time, as compared to a <$20 premium over the cheapest models. If I could achieve that under load, without the time and expense of a custom WC loop (assuming I can trust reports of noise of certain pumps, mounted well, the last time I checked it would have been ~$250, and likely more in the end, plus the time and effort involved), or major pain of a huge air cooler, I would go for it. Dealing with Prolimatech's monstrosities really turned me off to doing that, again, however effective they are (but, with up to 220W possible when gaming, smaller won't work).

I've been a member at SPCR something like 70-80% as long as I've been one here. It's something I'm rather obsessive about. That a couple of major manufacturers partly cater to those of like mind, made the choice pretty simple, it's not merely hype, and alternatives are currently quite costly, in relative terms. Now, granted, if they could run the fans at 200-300 RPM, but not 0, at idle, the results would be basically the same, with sufficiently good fans. That particular decision was primarily marketing (though, it also allows cheaper fans, since small fans that can run slowly for a long time tend to be maglev, or high-friction 'fluid' bearing types). But most of the time, that's either not going to be good enough to do the job, with the heatsink restrictions, or the fans simply won't stay spinning at such low speeds.
 

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Look, if all of that is true, and Maxwell is exceptional and superior to everything else released so far, then it should be no issue to find objective data supporting that point. All the reasoning and logic only get you so far when you can literally measure the result in decibels.

I understand the point on the pitch of the fan, which is important. I've heard a lot of coolers. The stock 290 doesn't have a bad pitch but has high noise generally. The Tri-X has a low humming pitch that is not grating and it's also very quiet generally. The worse pitched fan I've heard personally is the original single slot 8800 GT cooler. I never heard the old dustbuster 5800 ultra in person.

The fact of the matter is that when all the factors are accounted for, and the actual noise the card makes is measured, there is no objective difference between an aftermarket 290 and an aftermarket 970
 

Headfoot

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Dude... seriously. Why do you keep quoting power consumption if we're talking about NOISE? Noise is measured in decibels, not watts. The ultimate point of this discussion has always been to have a quiet computer, no?
 

Cerb

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Look, if all of that is true, and Maxwell is exceptional and superior to everything else released so far, strictly in terms of cooling needs for the performance offered, and factory cooling implementations by only a few SKUs from a few vendors (ed.), then it should be no issue to find objective data supporting that point. All the reasoning and logic only get you so far when you can literally measure the result in decibels.
Except that I don't have any desire to pay for a sensitive enough meter to do that, nor microphone (both are expensive, and I would have no other uses for them). Apparently neither do most websites that review video cards professionally. The only one I know of hasn't gotten many samples, recently.

The fact of the matter is that when all the factors are accounted for, and the actual noise the card makes is measured, there is no objective difference between an aftermarket 290 and an aftermarket 970
Except where already shown, multiple times, with supporting information and measurements, to boot (you keep missing that two series of new GTX 9x0 cards cannot be picked out from the rest of the system at all, unless forced to a high temp, while even those quiet other cards can be--those are well-confirmed facts, by many sources). If you won't care, or can't hear it wherever you live, that's fine, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to also not, if they want a peaceful environment that includes a reasonably powerful computer nearby.

If you live in a city, you probably will never be in a room quiet enough to notice. If you use most case' included fans, your PC probably can't get quiet enough to notice, either. If your ambient noise is such, then while not subjective, it still does not universally apply. I make no claim that I can hear any quiet PC during the day on weekends, evenings of most weekdays, or nights when crickets are out chirping away. There are times when I wouldn't notice those quiet coolers doing their thing. But there are times, much of which I am at or near my PC, when that simply isn't the case, such noise would be annoying/distracting, and those times are not rare.
 

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Except that I don't have any desire to pay for a sensitive enough meter to do that, nor microphone (both are expensive, and I would have no other uses for them). Apparently neither do most websites that review video cards professionally. The only one I know of hasn't gotten many samples, recently.

Except where already shown, multiple times, with supporting information and measurements, to boot (you keep missing that two series of new GTX 9x0 cards cannot be picked out from the rest of the system at all, unless forced to a high temp, while even those quiet other cards can be--those are well-confirmed facts, by many sources). If you won't care, or can't hear it wherever you live, that's fine, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to also not, if they want a peaceful environment that includes a reasonably powerful computer nearby.

If you live in a city, you probably will never be in a room quiet enough to notice. If you use most case' included fans, your PC probably can't get quiet enough to notice, either. If your ambient noise is such, then while not subjective, it still does not universally apply. I make no claim that I can hear any quiet PC during the day on weekends, evenings of most weekdays, or nights when crickets are out chirping away. There are times when I wouldn't notice those quiet coolers doing their thing. But there are times, much of which I am at or near my PC, when that simply isn't the case, such noise would be annoying/distracting, and those times are not rare.

Yeah . . . I've been looking at this relocated or derivative thread, the posts -- the discussion.

The whole issue about whether the stock cooling system is "this quiet" or "that noisy" is already subordinate to the context of the case cooling and case-cooling strategy. Fans cause noise; fan noise can be mitigated at its source -- with some effectiveness, even for some shortfall at a low frequency, or some slight remnant of motor-whine at a fraction of an initial value.

I wouldn't design my computer or even pick graphics cards solely on the noise criterion. I wouldn't choose my cards differently -- even if there's some chicken-little frenzy over a 0.5GB in VRAM. I'll live with the limitations, and the reviews before the frenzy are still good enough for my decisions. But I DO like the idea for an original selling point of Maxwell: the stock or even over-clocked power consumption.

It means that I can move the cards between systems with PSUs of more modest wattage limit, when I don't want to buy 1000W monster-PSUs. I can run two of those cards to their 110% and still stay 100W below a 650W limit. [EDIT: my mistake -- it'll never exceed 550 on this 650W Seasonic].

No less true that any other card may idle in the same wattage range -- these days I'd guess <= 15W.
 
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Cerb

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It's less the 0.5GB VRAM, than corporate negligence, and their not wanting to admit they flubbed up. Plus, after Bumpgate, SCII damaging GPUs, and Kepler's ever-lowering relative performance, just off the top of my head, NV's image isn't as great as it once was. The, "you're holding it wrong," response, combined with past issues, is what really makes it a problem. It's looking like a result of a sour corporate culture, more than simply a mistake due to deadlines.

And, it's not just the basic staring at the desktop idle (they're all fine, there, these days), but that videos, with shaders applied, flash games, and old games, all use little enough power that case cooling, even with the tight fins and fan shroud in the way, is enough; the stock fans only kicks into gear during rather GPU-stressing games, so fan noise at idle doesn't even need to be a concern. The R9 280+ and GTX 760+ just can't pull that off in two standard sized slots, at a market-friendly cost. The 760 might not use a ton of power at load, but it kicks up from idle quite a bit under lowish loads. I've noticed before that tower defense games were enough to start ramping the fans up, on MSI's, FI; with Asus' 770 being worse, and Asus' 280X only a bit better than their 770, and slightly better than Sapphire's Vapor-X 280X (more due to fan tonality differences, v. Asus' DirectCU II, subjectively). Same with MMOs at stock settings, that IGP can handle at 1080P OK. For those of us that have spent nearly as much on cooling as the hardware being cooled, while running at stock or less, that may hang out at SPCR, it's not just hype; it's what we wished had been possible ever since power use started getting out of hand back in the mid 00s (well, aside from wishing a decent gaming PC could still be handled by a 250W PSU :)). Without the reduced power consumption across the board, rather than just totally idle or at near 100%, it couldn't have been done (more specifically, it wouldn't be practical, due to risk of the fans spinning up and down a lot causing too much wear during the warranty period for too many users).

I could get the noise level and performance I desire, and even get quieter than I have it now under load (though I doubt inaudible under load, without changing cases, due to limited space for radiators), with other cards, but not without modifying parts, and filling up more space in my case. That all means a lot more effort, that I would rather avoid (I have less leisure time than I used to have, so PC tinkering that doesn't affect its usability, or comfort of the surrounding environment, while fun in the past, now makes me think of other things I could be doing, instead). ATM, however, there are only downgrades available, without spending more money and time, given that the 960's performance is clearly anemic (I am glad I didn't wait for that!), the 970's is enough that I'm often running it at a lower power limit than stock, to no perceived performance detriment, the 980s are +$200-250, and any other cards would be +50-300, depending on how I tackled them.
 

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I tend to strive for quiet computing. I decided to build a gaming HTPC for fun, and I ended up going with a card that probably isn't intended for HTPCs given its larger size: Gigabyte's GTX 960 G1 Gaming. The card features the large Windforce X3 cooler, which is pretty much the same as the one used on my GTX 780 Ti.

Although, when it comes to video cards, the only way that I've found to get a high-end card to a nice, quiet state is with water cooling. Unfortunately, water cooling also has its own difficulties/issues associated with it (mostly cost). I'm actually considering just using a hybrid water/air setup in the future where the GPU is cooled by water and the CPU by air. A smaller loop should keep costs down (a GPU water block is usually around $100+), and should also be easier to manage with quick disconnects (removing a component from a loop normally requires draining). I actually considered doing this now since I still have some components lying around (two pumps, 480mm radiator, etc.), but I ran into one of the issues with video card water cooling: it's harder to find blocks for custom PCBs.

Dude... seriously. Why do you keep quoting power consumption if we're talking about NOISE? Noise is measured in decibels, not watts. The ultimate point of this discussion has always been to have a quiet computer, no?

Power consumption has a direct relation to the heat generated. To simplify the equation, if two cards performed at the same "level", but one consumed 100W where the other consumed 150W, the same cooler would have to work harder to expunge the heat. (In simplicity, I ignored heat dissipation capabilities, which may allow the cooler to passively disperse the heat of both cards.)
 

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Although, when it comes to video cards, the only way that I've found to get a high-end card to a nice, quiet state is with water cooling. Unfortunately, water cooling also has its own difficulties/issues associated with it (mostly cost). I'm actually considering just using a hybrid water/air setup in the future where the GPU is cooled by water and the CPU by air. A smaller loop should keep costs down (a GPU water block is usually around $100+), and should also be easier to manage with quick disconnects (removing a component from a loop normally requires draining).

This is what I do right now. I have Scythe Ninja on my CPU, and I have CLC Red Mod on my 290. The beauty of it you don't have to buy pumps, water blocks, and interconnects, just buy CLC cooler and slap it onto your GPU.

With CLC I do not even need to raise fan speed when I game. There is zero difference in the noise between idle and gaming and my GPU still stays under 70 when gaming.

The only downside is pump noise, it makes a quiet whirring noise, and unfortunately it's quite difficult if not impossible to get rid off. I haven't found a way to quiet that down.
 

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Power consumption has a direct relation to the heat generated. To simplify the equation, if two cards performed at the same "level", but one consumed 100W where the other consumed 150W, the same cooler would have to work harder to expunge the heat. (In simplicity, I ignored heat dissipation capabilities, which may allow the cooler to passively disperse the heat of both cards.)

Yes, and water is wet.

Noise can be measured. If you care about noise, measure the noise. Don't proxy in power consumption. That's either incredibly poor debate or an intentional strawman.

To everyone who loves to talk around in circles about a million other things other than ACTUAL MEASURED NOISE IN DECIBELS. Put up a review showing a quieter cooler than the MSI Lightning 290 or the Tri-X 290 in the same temperature ball park, or admit you're grasping at straws. Any response other than benchmarks showing: 1) a cooler that is quieter, that is 2) within 10c of the Lightning 290 or Tri-X. I guarantee you the only ones you will find that beat the Tri-X OC are from weak cards that don't have even half the performance of the 290. The only one I've ever seen that's faster and potentially quieter is that Inno3d forty-adjectives 980 linked earlier, which is not available in NA.

$10 says the first response to this post is a wall of text
 
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Cerb

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$500 says you're unwilling to fork over the required money, space, and time to be able to make such measurements. Instead, you're saying someone else should spend their time, effort, and money, which will have no use at all after the test. Numerous cards go low enough that a typical 30-35dBA min SPL meter is not going to cut it, nor is, for reliable testing, an environment without a well-controlled noise floor.

Luckily, we have data points that are useful from reviews, experience, and physics. Also, that is a nice distraction from work.
 
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Headfoot

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Are we still hung up on that non-issue? There are reviewing websites out there that measure video card noise... in fact you're posting in the forum of one.

And as expected, the response was not a benchmark showing a quieter card.

Look man, if you just want to buy a 970 just because, say so.
 

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Yeah! This whole "Radeon" cards are loud and hot is so over done it's just stupid now, especially since it usually comes from people who don't even own a radeon card. My 290 Trix OC runs cool and quiet, when I'm gaming at full load I don't even notice noise from the card.

Get over it already!!
 

Cerb

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Are we still hung up on that non-issue? There are reviewing websites out there that measure video card noise... in fact you're posting in the forum of one.
And, if you look at prior posts, that's all already been done, to what degree it has been able to be done. The cards in question haven't been tested at AT, though even if so, AT's noise testing is not much to go by. TPU isn't SPCR, but they're quite good, and get the samples to review.
 

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Yes you probably can cool a higher power graphics card but it does take more effort. Both with the cooler and of course the case the card is in.

Also of course most people have noisy case fans, cpu coolers, PSUs etc etc so the differences between decently designed GPU coolers aren't going to be terribly noticeable to them.

SPCR actually did a very quiet 290 based build but that used quite fancy water cooling. That's quite possibly the saner solution at that sort of power draw, but you seemingly can't get the idle noise down quite as low as air cooling with the pump etc.
 

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Obviously, there are some differences depending on which cards you compare to which. But it proves the point there is no magical Maxwell sauce that results in lower noise across the board. You have to take each cooler on a case by case basis to determine which will be the quietest and it's pure foolishness to discount the 290 because it uses 30-40 watts more when there are oustanding coolers like the Tri-X and Vapor-X available that fully compensate for the heat generation and then some.
 
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Headfoot, you um, really should have given up by now. you are wasting your time. Why would you take him seriously when he ignored every point you posted and repeats his completely useless, unrelated point?

Don't waste your time bro.