Census question

[Greenman]

Any guesses on who's out in the states that lost house seats? I don't have any favorites either way, just curious.

 

[dank69]

Any guesses on who's out in the states that lost house seats? I don't have any favorites either way, just curious.

They're all out. They all need to run for re-election.

 

[fskimospy]

Any guesses on who's out in the states that lost house seats? I don't have any favorites either way, just curious.

No way to know. Basically what will happen is the state legislature, if controlled by one party, will look to combine two districts held by the other party. Then those two get to fight it out in the primary and whoever loses gets the boot.

 

[Greenman]

No way to know. Basically what will happen is the state legislature, if controlled by one party, will look to combine two districts held by the other party. Then those two get to fight it out in the primary and whoever loses gets the boot.

Thank you. I was unclear how it worked and not having a lot of luck with DDG.
Civics 101 was 45 years ago, the last time I thought about it at all was ten years ago, and I often can't remember what I had for breakfast.

 

[dank69]

No way to know. Basically what will happen is the state legislature, if controlled by one party, will look to combine two districts held by the other party. Then those two get to fight it out in the primary and whoever loses gets the boot.

Aren't all the districts going to be redrawn for the most part? Would it even be legal to combine the two highest population districts into one? Don't the districts need to represent similar population counts?

 

[Muse]

Irony in CA, the decrease may be an illusion. Yes, lots of people have moved to other states but the largest demographic in CA is guess what??? Latinos. What percent of those are undocumented and were intimidated by the anti-immigration wall-enthralled Trump adminstration into not getting counted?

 

[fskimospy]

Aren't all the districts going to be redrawn for the most part? Would it even be legal to combine the two highest population districts into one? Don't the districts need to represent similar population counts?

Yes, they will all be redrawn and have to be of roughly similar population. I guess it would be more accurate to say you’ll end up with two reps of the out party who have substantial portions of their old districts combined in a way that makes so they will be likely to run in a primary against each other.

 

[Greenman]

Irony in CA, the decrease may be an illusion. Yes, lots of people have moved to other states but the largest demographic in CA is guess what??? Latinos. What percent of those are undocumented and were intimidated by the anti-immigration wall-enthralled Trump adminstration into not getting counted?

One of the many issues involved with entering any country without proper documentation is the possibility of getting caught and removed. Most people involved in the process will take measures to avoid being identified.

 

[Muse]

One of the many issues involved with entering any country without proper documentation is the possibility of getting caught and removed. Most people involved in the process will take measures to avoid being identified.

The T administration pushed hard to get people to have to reveal their status on census forms. CA will have a lot of unrepresented residents.

 

[Greenman]

The T administration pushed hard to get people to have to reveal their status on census forms. CA will have a lot of unrepresented residents.

That's pretty much the crux of the matter. Do people who entered the country illegally have a right to representation at the Federal level? Should they have a voice in how the country is run? I would say no.

 

[fskimospy]

That's pretty much the crux of the matter. Do people who entered the country illegally have a right to representation at the Federal level? Should they have a voice in how the country is run? I would say no.

They don’t have a voice in how the country is run because they can’t vote. The Constitution is very clear that all persons must be included in the census though. Not all citizens, all people. There is no wiggle room.

So I guess if people wanted to amend the constitution to change how apportionment works they could try that but…good luck.

 

[Greenman]

They don’t have a voice in how the country is run because they can’t vote. The Constitution is very clear that all persons must be included in the census though. Not all citizens, all people. There is no wiggle room.

So I guess if people wanted to amend the constitution to change how apportionment works they could try that but…good luck.

And it still comes back to a whole bunch of people that want to stay under the radar. They don't want to have contact with any government agency, even if there is a promise of no action taken because of it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And it still comes back to a whole bunch of people that want to stay under the radar. They don't want to have contact with any government agency, even if there is a promise of no action taken because of it.

I'm not sure how it "comes back to that". Do you want to talk about census or illegal immigrants not getting representation in government

 

[dainthomas]

They don’t have a voice in how the country is run because they can’t vote. The Constitution is very clear that all persons must be included in the census though. Not all citizens, all people. There is no wiggle room.

So I guess if people wanted to amend the constitution to change how apportionment works they could try that but…good luck.

Righties are only strict constitutionalists when it comes to the parts they like.

 

[pauldun170]

An issue in certain immigrant communities is an ingrained distrust of government officials.
To those who are bit on the stupid side, what this means is that those who are here legally will avoid filling out census forms. They will avoid interacting with people who appear to be acting in official capacity. They will avoid answer the door to people not from the neighborhood or that do not look like them. ESPECIALLY after a period where the federal government as well as local officials demonized people based on race and origin.

 

[ElFenix]

And it still comes back to a whole bunch of people that want to stay under the radar. They don't want to have contact with any government agency, even if there is a promise of no action taken because of it.

which fear was completely preyed upon by the trump admin trying to get the citizenship question added.

 

[hal2kilo]

An issue in certain immigrant communities is an ingrained distrust of government officials.
To those who are bit on the stupid side, what this means is that those who are here legally will avoid filling out census forms. They will avoid interacting with people who appear to be acting in official capacity. They will avoid answer the door to people not from the neighborhood or that do not look like them. ESPECIALLY after a period where the federal government as well as local officials demonized people based on race and origin.

I wonder if the Trump team would do an immigration raid a week or so, before canvasing certain areas. Wouldn't put it past them.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's pretty much the crux of the matter. Do people who entered the country illegally have a right to representation at the Federal level? Should they have a voice in how the country is run? I would say no.

States & munis have an obligation to provide basic services to all residents & receive federal funds to help do that, based on the census. They also have no authority to enforce immigration law. Trump admin efforts to intimidate & deliberately undercount undocumented workers were deeply dishonest & highly partisan. You know that. Don't pretend.

 

[zinfamous]

That's pretty much the crux of the matter. Do people who entered the country illegally have a right to representation at the Federal level? Should they have a voice in how the country is run? I would say no.

Then you reject the constitution, quite explicitly.

 

[hal2kilo]

Finally, we are starting to see how the Trump Republican run party, cannot be trusted to maintain our democracy. When there is no truth, democracy dies.

Newly Released Documents Show Just How Much Trump Officials Meddled With the Census – Mother Jones

Specifically, the memo circulated by Census officials—compiled as part of a plan to approach Trump’s Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross (who oversaw the Census)—complains that there had been an “unusually high degree of engagement in technical matters, which is unprecedented.” Or, put more simply, administration officials were meddling in the most fundamental inner workings of a complex and finely tuned process in ways that had never been seen before. Political appointees tried to influence the way the Census Bureau counted people, processed the data, avoided disclosing private information, counted citizens, and calculated undocumented populations. Basically everything the Census Bureau undertakes.

The Brennan Center says that other documents show that a plan was in place to have Ross call GOP state governors and have them provide their own data to help determine how to count immigrant populations (while not making a similar effort with Democratic governors). Documents also show that new political appointees joined the Census as late as August 2020 as the election loomed, and the new officials were apparently solely interested in affecting how citizenship data was calculated.