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[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: ducci
Not too ridiculous. "Radiation" is thrown around a lot, I agree, but for common dialogue it is generally thought of as harmful. Sure, light is also radiation, but that's just semantics. If you want to talk about alpha particles, gamma rays and other boring specifics of radiation, fine. I was merely making it simple.

But this is there we get into trouble. Cell phones do not emit that type of radiation. By keeping it simple you are misrepresenting the facts. You say that "Sure, light is also radiation, but that's just semantics." but then claim that cell phones emit radiation, when the radiation that cell phones emits is closer to the radiation that my watch emits then to X-rays.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: ducci
Not too ridiculous. "Radiation" is thrown around a lot, I agree, but for common dialogue it is generally thought of as harmful. Sure, light is also radiation, but that's just semantics. If you want to talk about alpha particles, gamma rays and other boring specifics of radiation, fine. I was merely making it simple.

But this is there we get into trouble. Cell phones do not emit that type of radiation. By keeping it simple you are misrepresenting the facts. You say that "Sure, light is also radiation, but that's just semantics." but then claim that cell phones emit radiation, when the radiation that cell phones emits is closer to the radiation that my watch emits then to X-rays.

I understand that cell phones emit photons which carry far less energy than say, an X-ray. Does the energy of said photons affect the human brain? I don't know. Is it a possibility? Yes.

I'm not saying that these photons are ripping apart covalent bonds - though it's suggested that they could break apart DNA (research I haven't put too much reading into, I will admit). I will say, however, that science just isn't advanced enough to come to any solid conclusions on the matter, and because of that some precaution never hurt anyone.

I can personally say that I am quite sensitive to all forms of radiation - be it harmful or not. If I use a cell phone for too long I do, in fact get a headache. It's all what you feel comfortable with.

 

[KeyserSoze]

I gotta chime in and say this is a very good discussion we have going on here. I'm learning a lot!

Thanx.

(No sarcasm, I'm being serious.)




KS

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: ducci
Not too ridiculous. "Radiation" is thrown around a lot, I agree, but for common dialogue it is generally thought of as harmful. Sure, light is also radiation, but that's just semantics. If you want to talk about alpha particles, gamma rays and other boring specifics of radiation, fine. I was merely making it simple.

But this is there we get into trouble. Cell phones do not emit that type of radiation. By keeping it simple you are misrepresenting the facts. You say that "Sure, light is also radiation, but that's just semantics." but then claim that cell phones emit radiation, when the radiation that cell phones emits is closer to the radiation that my watch emits then to X-rays.

I understand that cell phones emit photons which carry far less energy than say, an X-ray. Does the energy of said photons affect the human brain? I don't know. Is it a possibility? Yes.

I'm not saying that these photons are ripping apart covalent bonds - though it's suggested that they could break apart DNA (research I haven't put too much reading into, I will admit). I will say, however, that science just isn't advanced enough to come to any solid conclusions on the matter, and because of that some precaution never hurt anyone.

I can personally say that I am quite sensitive to all forms of radiation - be it harmful or not. If I use a cell phone for too long I do, in fact get a headache. It's all what you feel comfortable with.

Just what magic do you suppose holds together DNA rather than covalent bonds?

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: ducci
Not too ridiculous. "Radiation" is thrown around a lot, I agree, but for common dialogue it is generally thought of as harmful. Sure, light is also radiation, but that's just semantics. If you want to talk about alpha particles, gamma rays and other boring specifics of radiation, fine. I was merely making it simple.

But this is there we get into trouble. Cell phones do not emit that type of radiation. By keeping it simple you are misrepresenting the facts. You say that "Sure, light is also radiation, but that's just semantics." but then claim that cell phones emit radiation, when the radiation that cell phones emits is closer to the radiation that my watch emits then to X-rays.

I understand that cell phones emit photons which carry far less energy than say, an X-ray. Does the energy of said photons affect the human brain? I don't know. Is it a possibility? Yes.

I'm not saying that these photons are ripping apart covalent bonds - though it's suggested that they could break apart DNA (research I haven't put too much reading into, I will admit). I will say, however, that science just isn't advanced enough to come to any solid conclusions on the matter, and because of that some precaution never hurt anyone.

I can personally say that I am quite sensitive to all forms of radiation - be it harmful or not. If I use a cell phone for too long I do, in fact get a headache. It's all what you feel comfortable with.

Just what magic do you suppose holds together DNA rather than covalent bonds?

Maybe I wasn't clear. They don't rip apart covalent bonds in something simple as, say, water. But DNA is a highly complex, intricate structure. What these microwaves can allegedly do is create oscillations within the DNA, destroying them internally.

I believe I read somewhere of the "wall" metaphor. You build a wall of 3 bricks, and it will withstand a huge earthquake. But if you build a bigger wall with the same materials, with 3 million bricks, that wall is more likely to break in one point or another. Same goes for microwaves and DNA.

But again, I can't fathom why anyone would willingly, but moreso unnecessarily, hold an emitting antenna that close to their vital organs for extended periods of time.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

Amused,

What you failed to grasp is that it is just too soon to really know what the effects are. Sure, you can say that peer reviews have shown them safe, I agree 100%. However, cancer has been shown to be the result of years of exposure to certain environments. The tobacco industry used your very argument back in the 50s.

The bottom line, is - if we are unsure what the effects of years of exposure to low level RF radiation at close range to the brain, then why get excess exposure, if it can be avoided?

What does YOUR gut feel tell you? I am a professor of electrical engineering, and I try to minimize my exposure to RF energy, because I see it as a cumulative effect - and if there is some simple thing that I can do to minimize the exposure, then I'd be a fool not to.

If 20 years from now, studies come out and prove that decades of exposure to RF show no effects, then I lost nothing in minimizing my exposure. There is no shame or regret in doing so.

-RM

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