Cell Phone Safety - Find your cell phone here!

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Lifer
Jan 7, 2002
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Back in 1996, in an effort to address growing concerns about cell phone emissions, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) established radio frequency exposure guidelines for cell phones. They developed the term ?SAR? or Specific Absorption Rate as a way of measuring the absorption of cell phone emissions into the body. The maximum legal SAR level in the United States is 1.6W/kg (watts per kilogram). SAR levels for cell phones typically range from .2W/kg and 1.58W/kg.

COMPANY???MODEL#???IN THE EAR???ON THE BODY
Alcatel???One Touch View???1.35???0.96
Alcatel???One Touch Club???1.25???0.87
Alcatel???One Touch Easy???1.25???0.87
Alcatel???One Touch Max???1.25???0.87
Alcatel???One Touch Gum???1.25???0.87
Alcatel???One Touch 300/301???1.02???1.48
Alcatel???One Touch 302/303/304???1???1.45
Alcatel???One Touch 531???0.86???0.81
Alcatel???One Touch 700???0.77???1.04
Alcatel???One Touch 320???0.77???1.12
Alcatel???One Touch 153???0.77???n/a
Alcatel???One Touch 835???0.75???1.2
Alcatel???One Touch 500 Series???0.71???1.04
Alcatel???One Touch 156???0.65???n/a
Alcatel???One Touch 155???0.65???n/a
Alcatel???One Touch 525???0.6???0.9
Alcatel???One Touch 310/311???0.6???0.9
Alcatel???One Touch 355???0.59???0.88
Alcatel???One Touch 735/735i???0.57???0.81
Alcatel???One Touch 757???0.5???0.8
Alcatel???One Touch 756???0.5???0.8
Alcatel???One Touch 331???0.49???0.72
Alcatel???One Touch 557 ???0.43???0.66
Alcatel???One Touch 565 ???0.43???0.66
Alcatel???One Touch 332???0.43???0.63
Alcatel???One Touch 556???0.4???0.6
Alcatel???One Touch 715???0.35???0.56
Alcatel???One Touch 512???0.3???0.53
Alcatel???One Touch 511 ???0.3???0.53
Kyocera???SE44???1.49???n/a
LG???L1150???1.45???n/a
LG???TP3000???1.41???n/a
LG???TP1100???1.39???n/a
LG???LX5350???1.38???n/a
LG???VX9000???1.33???n/a
LG???VX6000???1.32???n/a
LG???4NE1???1.28???n/a
LG???VX2000???1.28???n/a
LG???VX3100???1.27???n/a
LG???VX3100L???1.27???n/a
LG???VX7000???1.27???
LG???V111???1.243???n/a
LG???VX1???1.24???n/a
LG???VX10???1.24???n/a
LG???VX4600???1.22???n/a
LG???LX5550???1.21???n/a
LG???TP2110???1.2???n/a
LG???VX3200???1.17???n/a
LG???VX4500???1.17???n/a
LG???VX8100???1.16???n/a
LG???VX4700???1.14???n/a
LG???LX5450???1.1???n/a
LG???VX3300???1.1???n/a
LG???VX4400???1???n/a
LG???TM510???0.998???n/a
LG???VI-125???0.99???n/a
LG???PM-325???0.95???n/a
LG???VX6100???0.93???n/a
LG???PM-225???0.9???n/a
LG???VX8000???0.865???n/a
LG???TP5250???0.839???n/a
LG???LX1200???0.83???n/a
LG???TP5200???0.73???n/a
LG???F9100???0.72???n/a
LG???G4010???0.714???n/a
LG???A7110???0.71???n/a
LG???C1300???0.71???n/a
LG???G4015???0.71???n/a
LG???G4050???0.71???n/a
LG???L1200???0.71???n/a
LG???G4011???0.7???n/a
LG???C330W???0.6698???n/a
LG???VI5225???0.6???n/a
LG???MM-535???0.36???n/a
Mitsubishi???P389???1.07???n/a
Mitsubishi???P389e???1.07???n/a
Mitsubishi???C975???1.02???n/a
Mitsubishi???C980???1.02???n/a
Mitsubishi???C381p???1.01???n/a
Mitsubishi???E398???1.01???n/a
Mitsubishi???T191???1.01???n/a
Mitsubishi???A760???0.96???n/a
Mitsubishi???A768???0.96???n/a
Mitsubishi???T280???0.96???n/a
Mitsubishi???T2801???0.96???n/a
Mitsubishi???P389i???0.95???n/a
Mitsubishi???T260???0.95???n/a
Mitsubishi???A840???0.93???n/a
Mitsubishi???A860???0.93???n/a
Mitsubishi???E550???0.93???n/a
Mitsubishi???L7089???0.93???n/a
Mitsubishi???T205???0.93???n/a
Mitsubishi???C450???0.92???n/a
Mitsubishi???T190???0.92???n/a
Mitsubishi???E1000???0.88???n/a
Mitsubishi???E385???0.88???n/a
Mitsubishi???C650???0.87???n/a
Mitsubishi???T192???0.87???n/a
Mitsubishi???C250???0.83???n/a
Mitsubishi???C300???0.83???n/a
Mitsubishi???L7189???0.83???n/a
Mitsubishi???C155???0.82???n/a
Mitsubishi???C156???0.82???n/a
Mitsubishi???M388???0.815???n/a
Mitsubishi???C331???0.81???n/a
Mitsubishi???C332???0.81???n/a
Mitsubishi???C333???0.81???n/a
Mitsubishi???C336???0.81???n/a
Mitsubishi???C350???0.81???n/a
Mitsubishi???E815???0.8???n/a
Mitsubishi???T250???0.8???n/a
Mitsubishi???C200???0.78???n/a
Mitsubishi???A920???0.75???n/a
Mitsubishi???A008???0.74???n/a
Mitsubishi???A1000???0.74???n/a
Mitsubishi???A780???0.74???n/a
Mitsubishi???C380???0.73???n/a
Mitsubishi???C385???0.73???n/a
Mitsubishi???E380???0.73???n/a
Mitsubishi???C550???0.71???n/a
Mitsubishi???A830???0.69???n/a
Mitsubishi???A925???0.65???n/a
Mitsubishi???T180???0.64???n/a
Mitsubishi???E375???0.62???n/a
Mitsubishi???RazrV3???0.62???n/a
Mitsubishi???T2288???0.62???n/a
Mitsubishi???MPX220???0.58???n/a
Mitsubishi???A835???0.55???n/a
Mitsubishi???E375i???0.51???n/a
Mitsubishi???P8088???0.43???n/a
Mitsubishi???MPX1800???0.29???n/a
Mitsubishi???MPX200???0.12???n/a
Motorola???V.60x???1.59???0.81
Motorola???C332(CDMA)???1.58???0.6
Motorola???C333(CDMA)???1.58???0.6
Motorola???C341(CDMA)???1.58???0.6
Motorola???C343a???1.58???0.67
Motorola???T720(CDMA)???1.56???1.3
Motorola???T730(CDMA)???1.56???1.3
Motorola???V.60v???1.56???0.48
Motorola???V120C???1.55???1.41
Motorola???V.120E???1.59???0.691
Motorola???V.260???1.55???1.48
Motorola???V.262???1.55???1.48
Motorola???V.265???1.55???1.48
Motorola???V.70???1.54???0.43
Motorola???A840???1.53???1.47
Motorola???V.300???1.53???0.49
Motorola???V.400???1.53???0.49
Motorola???V.400p???1.53???0.49
Motorola???T300P???1.52???0.77
Motorola???A845???1.51???0.41
Motorola???C331(TDMA)???1.51???0.687
Motorola???C332(TDMA)???1.51???0.687
Motorola???V.8160???1.51???0.75
Motorola???CN620???1.49???1.37
Motorola???V.66???1.49???0.89
Motorola???V.510???1.48???1.14
Motorola???V.635???1.48???1.17
Motorola???V.810???1.48???1.14
Motorola???T182???1.47???0.35
Motorola???T182c???1.47???0.35
Motorola???C150T???1.46???0.31
Motorola???i305???1.46???1.16
Motorola???C340???1.45???0.68
Motorola???V.60p???1.45???0.98
Motorola???V.60s???1.45???0.66
Motorola???V.65p???1.45???0.98
Motorola???i315???1.45???1.26
Motorola???C210 (19000MHz)???1.43???0.4
Motorola???i285???1.42???1.38
Motorola???T280???1.41???0.684
Motorola???T280i???1.41???0.684
Motorola???V.710???1.41???1.27
Motorola???i215???1.41???1.57
Motorola???i830???1.41???1.45
Motorola???i830e???1.41???1.45
Motorola???i833???1.41???1.45
Motorola???C650???1.4???0.62
Motorola???V.186???1.4???2.8
Motorola???V.505???1.4???1.04
Motorola???V.551???1.4???0.57
Motorola???V.600???1.4???1.04
Motorola???i30sx???1.4???4.2
Motorola???i35S???1.4???0.42
Motorola???V.180???1.39???0.57
Motorola???V.185???1.39???0.57
Motorola???V.188???1.39???0.57
Motorola???C236???1.38???1.23
Motorola???C350(GSM850/1900) for Cingular???1.38???1.23
Motorola???i530???1.37???1.29
Motorola???i80s???1.37???0.6
Motorola???i50sx???1.36???0.46
Motorola???i55sr???1.36???0.46
Motorola???i85s???1.36???0.46
Motorola???V.8162???1.35???0.28
Motorola???Timeport 270C???1.33???0.63
Motorola???V.60T???1.32???1.24
Motorola???V.60i(TDMA)???1.32???1.24
Motorola???V.60i Color (TDMA)???1.32???1.24
Motorola???P8097???1.31???1.58
Motorola???P8197???1.31???1.58
Motorola???ST 7797???1.31???1.58
Motorola???ST7897???1.31???1.58
Motorola???T8097???1.31???1.58
Motorola???T8197???1.31???1.58
Motorola???E815???1.24???1.31
Motorola???C210 (800MHz)???1.23???0.67
Motorola???V.220???1.23???0.57
Motorola???V.220i???1.23???0.57
Motorola???L7082???1.22???0.39
Motorola???L7089???1.22???0.39
Motorola???P7382???1.22???0.39
Motorola???P7382i???1.22???0.39
Motorola???P7389???1.22???0.39
Motorola???P7389E???1.22???0.39
Motorola???P7389I???1.22???0.39
Motorola???P7689???1.22???0.39
Motorola???T250???1.22???0.39
Motorola???i58sr???1.21???0.85
Motorola???i88s???1.21???0.85
Motorola???i205???1.19???1.39
Motorola???i205e???1.19???1.39
Motorola???i730???1.19???1.15
Motorola???i736???1.19???1.15
Motorola???P8767???1.18???0.58
Motorola???i265???1.16???1.38
Motorola???P8160???1.15???0.87
Motorola???ST 7760???1.15???0.87
Motorola???St 7860???1.15???0.87
Motorola???St 7860W???1.15???0.87
Motorola???T2260???1.15???0.6
Motorola???T8160???1.15???0.87
Motorola???V.2260???1.15???0.6
Motorola???i60c???1.15???1.2
Motorola???i710???1.15???1.36
Motorola???i720???1.15???1.36
Motorola???i90c???1.15???0.33
Motorola???i95cl???1.15???0.33
Motorola???i99cl???1.15???0.33
Motorola???MPx220???1.1???0.88
Motorola???T2290???1.1???0.35
Motorola???T2390???1.1???0.35
Motorola???V.2290???1.1???0.35
Motorola???V.2390???1.1???0.35
Motorola???C331(GSM8/19)???1.09???0.58
Motorola???C332(GSM8/19)???1.09???0.58
Motorola???C333(GSM8/19)???1.09???0.58
Motorola???C336(GSM8/19)???1.09???0.58
Motorola???P8090???1.08???1.4
Motorola???P8090SI???1.08???1.4
Motorola???P8190???1.08???1.4
Motorola???ST 7790???1.08???1.4
Motorola???ST 7790I???1.08???1.4
Motorola???ST 7790SI???1.08???1.4
Motorola???ST7890???1.08???1.4
Motorola???T8090???1.08???1.4
Motorola???T8090SI???1.08???1.4
Motorola???T8190???1.08???1.4
Motorola???C350(GSM850/1900)???1.06???0.395
Motorola???i325???1.06???1.09
Motorola???i325IS???1.06???1.09
Motorola???i860???0.93???1.46
Motorola???Razr V3???0.89???0.58
Motorola???A920???0.86???0.08
Motorola???T720(GSM8/19)???0.82???0.62
Motorola???T720i(GSM8/19)???0.82???0.62
Motorola???I2000 Plus???0.81???0.38
Motorola???A 388???0.737???0.58
Motorola???A388c???0.737???0.58
Motorola???A1000???0.73???0.55
Motorola???E380 (900MHz/1800MHz)???0.73???0.18
Motorola???V.60G???0.63???0.36
Motorola???T193???0.62???0.64
Motorola???A630 GSM850/1900???0.59???1.26
Motorola???I500 Plus???0.58???1.29
Motorola???I550 Plus???0.58???1.29
Motorola???I1700 Plus???0.58???1.29
Motorola???I2000???0.54???0.59
Motorola???r750???0.48???1.36
Motorola???r750 Plus???0.48???1.36
Motorola???V.60C???0.42???1.23
Motorola???E680???0.34???0.34
Motorola???E398???0.33???0.46
Motorola???V.80???0.24???0.54
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Motorola???MPx200???0.2???1.06
Motorola???V.100???0.14???0.04
Motorola???V.101???0.14???0.04
Nokia???3205???1.29???0.7
Nokia???6019i???1.28???1
Nokia???6015i???1.28???1
Nokia???6225i???1.27???0.78
Nokia???2116i???1.2???1.03
Nokia???6800???1.2???1.02
Nokia???1221???1.19???1.06
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Nokia???9500???0.94???1.53
Nokia???7610???0.9???0.88
Nokia???6230???0.76???1.11
Nokia???7280???0.71???0.75
Nokia???3220???0.57???0.83
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Sanyo???SCP-5300???1.41???n/a
Sanyo???SCP-4500???1.4???n/a
Sanyo???SCP-7200???1.4???n/a
Sanyo???SCP-4700???1.39???n/a
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Sanyo???SCP-8100???1.37???n/a
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Sanyo???VM4500???1.25???n/a
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Sanyo???MM-5600???0.72???n/a
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Siemans???CF62???0.75???n/a
Siemans???ST55???0.74???n/a
Siemans???C70???0.73???n/a
Siemans???C65???0.73???n/a
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Siemans???MC60???0.67???n/a
Siemans???CX70???0.67???n/a
Siemans???C60???0.67???n/a
Siemans???A60???0.67???n/a
Siemans???M55???0.64???n/a
Siemans???SL55???0.62???n/a
Siemans???CX75???0.613???n/a
Siemans???CX65???0.59???n/a
Siemans???A55???0.56???n/a
Siemans???S55???0.53???n/a
Siemans???SX1???0.52???n/a
Siemans???C55???0.49???n/a
Siemans???A75???0.49???n/a
Siemans???A65???0.49???n/a
Siemans???A62???0.49???n/a
Siemans???S65???0.48???n/a
Siemans???ST60???0.47???n/a
Siemans???A57???0.46???n/a
Siemans???M75???0.44???n/a
Siemans???A70???0.42???n/a
Siemans???U15???0.35???n/a
Siemans???AX75???0.33???n/a
Siemens???SL65???0.58???n/a
Siemens???SK65???0.58???n/a
Siemens???SP 65???0.48???n/a
Siemens???SF65???0.38???n/a
SonyErickson???P910a???1.5???0.97
SonyErickson???Z550a???1.45???0.97
SonyErickson???T610???1.21???0.97
SonyErickson???T290a???1.18???0.75
SonyErickson???T237???1.18???0.75
SonyErickson???T226???1.18???0.75
SonyErickson???T616???1.16???0.71
SonyErickson???T637???1.14???1.04
SonyErickson???P900???1.01???0.45
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SonyErickson???K700i???0.37???1.03

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Mickey Eye

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Siemens M65 not on the list but I imagine it would be the same as the S65 at 0.48... so is that good or bad?

It's 0.88... ohwell. Still means nothing to me.
 

effowe

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Uh, that link you have is for some lady running for Manhattan Bourough President... ?
 

Analog

Lifer
Jan 7, 2002
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Originally posted by: effowe
Uh, that link you have is for some lady running for Manhattan Bourough President... ?

Right, she compiled the list, which is available in word format from the link I gave you.
 

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
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A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.
 

dug777

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:
 

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

What side? The side of logic and facts?

Again, there are NO valid, peer reviewd and repeated study linking cell phone use to tumors or cancer in humans. NONE.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

What side? The side of logic and facts?

Again, there are NO valid, peer reviewd and repeated study linking cell phone use to tumors or cancer in humans. NONE.

would you say it's a good idea to be wary and try to limit the time you spend on them as reasonably possible?

That survey is FAR to small, and over far too small a group of individual to be very illuminating, i suspect that the amount of time those people spent on their mobiles back then is dwarfed hugely by normal usage stats today...any idea what the power output of those phones back then was too?

EDIT: added to which, i wonder if the different frequencies in use today have potentially different effects on you?
 

geecee

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CNet has always had this list up here. They update it fairly regularly. Of course, this only matters if you care about this sort of thing. :)
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

What side? The side of logic and facts?

Again, there are NO valid, peer reviewd and repeated study linking cell phone use to tumors or cancer in humans. NONE.

would you say it's a good idea to be wary and try to limit the time you spend on them as reasonably possible?

Only to save money on your bill.

That survey is FAR to small, and over far too small a group of individual to be very illuminating, i suspect that the amount of time those people spent on their mobiles back then is dwarfed hugely by normal usage stats today...any idea what the power output of those phones back then was too?

Half a million is two small?

Look, this is NOT the only study ever done. ALL valid, peer reviewed and repeated studies have found NO link. None.

It simply amazes me how, when humans in much of the world finally have some of the safest societies they can achieve, they start LOOKING for danger where none exists. As if we instinctively NEED to find danger.

What is even more amazing is they want, nay NEED to believe these myths. And will poo-poo logical, scientific facts and instead believe myths and anecdotal evidence.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: dug777


EDIT: added to which, i wonder if the different frequencies in use today have potentially different effects on you?

They are FAR WEAKER today, than they were back then.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

What side? The side of logic and facts?

Again, there are NO valid, peer reviewd and repeated study linking cell phone use to tumors or cancer in humans. NONE.

would you say it's a good idea to be wary and try to limit the time you spend on them as reasonably possible?

Only to save money on your bill.

That survey is FAR to small, and over far too small a group of individual to be very illuminating, i suspect that the amount of time those people spent on their mobiles back then is dwarfed hugely by normal usage stats today...any idea what the power output of those phones back then was too?

Half a million is two small?

Look, this is NOT the only study ever done. ALL valid, peer reviewed and repeated studies have found NO link. None.

It simply amazes me how, when humans in much of the world finally have some of the safest societies they can achieve, they start LOOKING for danger where none exists. As if we instinctively NEED to find danger.

What is even more amazing is they want, nay NEED to believe these myths. And will poo-poo logical, scientific facts and instead believe myths and anecdotal evidence.

All i'm saying is that there's no harm in being cautious wrt mobile phone usage, i mean common sense suggests that holding a powerful microwave emitting device against your head for hours a day doesnt SOUND like a good idea does it?

 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777


EDIT: added to which, i wonder if the different frequencies in use today have potentially different effects on you?

They are FAR WEAKER today, than they were back then.

frequencies...not power output ;)

like CDMA vs the two GSM bands is what i meant.
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

What side? The side of logic and facts?

Again, there are NO valid, peer reviewd and repeated study linking cell phone use to tumors or cancer in humans. NONE.

would you say it's a good idea to be wary and try to limit the time you spend on them as reasonably possible?

Only to save money on your bill.

That survey is FAR to small, and over far too small a group of individual to be very illuminating, i suspect that the amount of time those people spent on their mobiles back then is dwarfed hugely by normal usage stats today...any idea what the power output of those phones back then was too?

Half a million is two small?

Look, this is NOT the only study ever done. ALL valid, peer reviewed and repeated studies have found NO link. None.

It simply amazes me how, when humans in much of the world finally have some of the safest societies they can achieve, they start LOOKING for danger where none exists. As if we instinctively NEED to find danger.

What is even more amazing is they want, nay NEED to believe these myths. And will poo-poo logical, scientific facts and instead believe myths and anecdotal evidence.

All i'm saying is that there's no harm in being cautious wrt mobile phone usage, i mean common sense suggests that holding a powerful microwave emitting device against your head for hours a day doesnt SOUND like a good idea does it?

Powerful? Cell phones emit a VERY low level RF. Nothing "powerful" about them. IIn fact, Cell phones are 2/3 weaker than they were when those studies were done.

And no, I will not fear something that has been studied for over a decade and no harm has been found.
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

What side? The side of logic and facts?

Again, there are NO valid, peer reviewd and repeated study linking cell phone use to tumors or cancer in humans. NONE.

would you say it's a good idea to be wary and try to limit the time you spend on them as reasonably possible?

Only to save money on your bill.

That survey is FAR to small, and over far too small a group of individual to be very illuminating, i suspect that the amount of time those people spent on their mobiles back then is dwarfed hugely by normal usage stats today...any idea what the power output of those phones back then was too?

Half a million is two small?

Look, this is NOT the only study ever done. ALL valid, peer reviewed and repeated studies have found NO link. None.

It simply amazes me how, when humans in much of the world finally have some of the safest societies they can achieve, they start LOOKING for danger where none exists. As if we instinctively NEED to find danger.

What is even more amazing is they want, nay NEED to believe these myths. And will poo-poo logical, scientific facts and instead believe myths and anecdotal evidence.

All i'm saying is that there's no harm in being cautious wrt mobile phone usage, i mean common sense suggests that holding a powerful microwave emitting device against your head for hours a day doesnt SOUND like a good idea does it?

common sense says, hurtling down the road in excess of 60 mph isn't a good idea. common sense says, spending in excess of 4 hours a day in front of a radiation source like the PC instead of excercising isn't a good idea. common sense says . . .

oh ya, it doesn't hurt to be cautious, so, what exactly SHOULDN'T you be cautious of?
 

Siva

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

What side? The side of logic and facts?

Again, there are NO valid, peer reviewd and repeated study linking cell phone use to tumors or cancer in humans. NONE.

would you say it's a good idea to be wary and try to limit the time you spend on them as reasonably possible?

Only to save money on your bill.

That survey is FAR to small, and over far too small a group of individual to be very illuminating, i suspect that the amount of time those people spent on their mobiles back then is dwarfed hugely by normal usage stats today...any idea what the power output of those phones back then was too?

Half a million is two small?

Look, this is NOT the only study ever done. ALL valid, peer reviewed and repeated studies have found NO link. None.

It simply amazes me how, when humans in much of the world finally have some of the safest societies they can achieve, they start LOOKING for danger where none exists. As if we instinctively NEED to find danger.

What is even more amazing is they want, nay NEED to believe these myths. And will poo-poo logical, scientific facts and instead believe myths and anecdotal evidence.

I've got to agree. A value of N of about half a million for a study like that is huge. I would like a link to this study though, it would be nice to see where it was published and the author's credentials.

Still, after over 10 years of significant cell phone use worldwide and not one single shred of scientific evidence to link phones to brain cancer, I think its time to drop the myth that there is some sort of link between the two.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Amused
A worthless list. (Where is Samsung, anayhow?)

There is no valid evidence linking cell phone use to cancer or brain tumors. NONE.

A Danish study (conducted by Johansen et al.) linked data on all of the 420,095 cell phone users in Denmark between 1982 and 1995, to the Danish Cancer Registry and found the same results as the three case-control studies. The results are the following:

**The brain cancer patients didn't report more cell phone use than the subjects who were free of brain cancer. In fact, for reasons that remain unclear, most of the studies showed a tendency toward lower risk of brain cancer among cellular phone users.

**When different types of brain cancer were considered, none were consistently associated with cell phone use.

**When specific locations of tumors within the brain were considered, no associations with cell phone use were found.

**None of the studies showed a clear link between the side of the head on which the brain cancer occurred and the side on which the cellular phone was used.

yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

What side? The side of logic and facts?

Again, there are NO valid, peer reviewd and repeated study linking cell phone use to tumors or cancer in humans. NONE.

would you say it's a good idea to be wary and try to limit the time you spend on them as reasonably possible?

Only to save money on your bill.

That survey is FAR to small, and over far too small a group of individual to be very illuminating, i suspect that the amount of time those people spent on their mobiles back then is dwarfed hugely by normal usage stats today...any idea what the power output of those phones back then was too?

Half a million is two small?

Look, this is NOT the only study ever done. ALL valid, peer reviewed and repeated studies have found NO link. None.

It simply amazes me how, when humans in much of the world finally have some of the safest societies they can achieve, they start LOOKING for danger where none exists. As if we instinctively NEED to find danger.

What is even more amazing is they want, nay NEED to believe these myths. And will poo-poo logical, scientific facts and instead believe myths and anecdotal evidence.

All i'm saying is that there's no harm in being cautious wrt mobile phone usage, i mean common sense suggests that holding a powerful microwave emitting device against your head for hours a day doesnt SOUND like a good idea does it?

common sense says, hurtling down the road in excess of 60 mph isn't a good idea. common sense says, spending in excess of 4 hours a day in front of a radiation source like the PC instead of excercising isn't a good idea. common sense says . . .

oh ya, it doesn't hurt to be cautious, so, what exactly SHOULDN'T you be cautious of?

well i guess you draw the line where you want to ;)

Actually IIRC there was a recent study that showed a considerable impact on male fertility caused by mobile phones...was in quite a few papers i think?
 

Night201

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Originally posted by: geecee
CNet has always had this list up here. They update it fairly regularly. Of course, this only matters if you care about this sort of thing. :)

Much better link - they have Samsung and many others.
 

dug777

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Which would appear to be a negative side effect of mobile phone use...correct me if i'm wrong.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Well i googled the fertility thing, looks like the consensus is we need to do more tests in the area to be sure...now perhaps you thats worth being cautious about, unless you've already had your kids ;)

I use my CDMA phone a fair bit, but if i can i use a landline, and i try not to carry it around in my pocket all the time...doesn't seem crazy or overreacting behaviour to me...

 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: dug777


well i guess you draw the line where you want to ;)

Actually IIRC there was a recent study that showed a considerable impact on male fertility caused by mobile phones...was in quite a few papers i think?

I draw the line at verifiable facts and logic.

Not myths and irrational, unfounded fears.

As for the fertility study, it is HIGHLY questionable, and has not been repeated. In fact, it contradicted a number of similar studies.

http://www.mobilepipeline.com/news/22102474

The press reports it because it is sensational, not because it is valid.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: dug777
yet anyway.

I'm so suprised you weighed in on this side of the argument :roll:

Have you any idea how much radiation your body is exposed to on a daily basis, regardless of whether or not you talk on your cell phone all "arvo?" :p