Celica Vs Eclipse....

[NFS4]

<< Nah...couldn't be...else i'd be driving a Ferrari 360 Maranello >>


Hehe

That's 550 Maranello and 360 Modena

 

[Sunny129]

eclipse = ugly sissy car
2001 celica = bad ass
integra = always been ugly, wanna be celica
GTI = is that an automobile of some sort? (ugliest of all)
BMW M3 = wanna be Benz
prelude = beautiful car, but not as beautiful as the celica
celica concept car = ugly and junked up
celica '93-98 = best celica ever

i own a 95 celica, and whoever said it looks bloated has their head up their @ss! if you look at it, you'll realize those &quot;bloated&quot; hips are very characteristic of many sports cars (i.e. porsche 911, ALL ferraris, etc.) it makes the car look mean as hell from the front. and there isnt one other thing anyone can complain about that car b/c its so damn perfect it looks like it a sculpter designed it!

the 2001 celica doesnt look as good as the previous body style in my opinion, but its still a bad ass car, especially the GT-S. 6 speed manual, with stainless steel racing pedals! i would tear up the road in that car. doesnt say much for the 6 cylinder eclipse when it gets spanked by a 4 cylinder car...maybe thats b/c the cylinders in the eclipse are about the size of my thumb...sissy car...

NFS4!, thanks for stickin up for the celica!

and SuperGroove, there is no 360 Maranello...its the 550 Maranello and the 360 Modena...also, you'll see the similarity in the &quot;bloated&quot; hips of the '93-98 celica and the 360 Modena, so i wouldnt make too much fun of it...

 

[NFS4]

I agree with you on all counts except for these statement:


<< BMW M3 = wanna be Benz
celica '93-98 = best celica ever >>


First off, a Merc is a wannabe BMW. BMW's are sports cars FIRST, luxury machines second. They are superious automobiles and THE BENCHMARK for ALL sport sedans. No one can top them. NO ONE. Why do you think that you can get all of their models with a manual tranny (with the exception of the 7 series). And you name me one stock Merc that is gonna touch an M5 or M3. Mercs are nothing but luxo cruiser with auto trannies.

And second, I don't like the froggy styling of the previous gen Celica.

 

[Sunny129]

NFS4,

you may be correct that no sports sedan can touch an M3 or M5, but if you are going to spend that much on a sports car, you might as well move a step up from a sedan. now i'm specualting, but correct me if i'm wrong...the M3 and M5 would cast between $50k-80k. there is no point in spending that much on a sports sedan...thats why they make celicas, lexus iS, integras, ans so forth. for $80k i'll just get a base porsche 911 and tear your M5 a new @sshole. my point is that there are much better sports cars one can get for the price of an M3 or M5. no sense in paying more than you would for a celica or prelude for a sports sedan. but yes, the M3 and M5 are at the top of the hill in the sport sedan class. if you want to talk about a Mercedes Benz that can outperform a BMW we would have to move away from sedans...

 

[NFS4]

I'm wasn't comparing BMW's to other cars...just Mercedes automobiles. But, a '01 M3 costs $45k and will RAPE a 911 up to its 155MPH electonically limited top speed.


<< if you want to talk about a Mercedes Benz that can outperform a BMW we would have to move away from sedans... >>


Like what? An M-Roadster will kill a SLK for less money. What else does Merc have that could even compare?

 

[Imported]

New M3s run around $45k. Not bad considering the new engine and since it's almost in a class of it's own. For $80k, I could get a Skyline GTR Vspec, modify it, and run circles around the base Porsche 911 all day long.

 

[SuperGroove]

JEEZ ONE LITTLE TYPE(edit: see...I meant to say Typo!!), GET ME LITTLE (edit: ARSE!)WIPED ACROSS THE BOARDS....I normally don't make mistakes when it comes to identifying cars...honest!

Anyways...the '93-98 Celica you so love to talk about IS BLOATED! 135HP powering a 3200lb+ car is BAD MOJO! It's even worse when the Celica ST is powered by a 1.8L 110HP SOHC 4-banger. You're f*cking kidding me if you think this is the best Celica ever. I DROVE ONE! Getting back into '95 Protege...I could drive it the same way...because they're both slow ass cars. According to C&amp;D numbers, the 2.2L 135HP GT ain't much of a thrill either. The only thing the '93(actually '94, as the Celica was introduced in '93 as '94) Celica did right, was it had a very tight and sophisitcated feeling about it.

Jeez...can ya'll identify the difference between the '92 ZR-1 and '93 LT1?! WITHOUT looking at the wheels? The differences between the Mitsubishi Lancer and Mitsubishi Mirage without looking at the badges? The Mazda Familia and Protege? Nissan Silvia and Nissan 240SX?! Lotus Elan and Kia Elan? Opel Omega and Chevy Lumina? Ferrari 512TR and Ferrari Testarossa? SEE I KNOW MY FERRARI's...well post '79. I made one fib...dear God....I gotta always be perfect around here don't I?

Well the truth is...I was...um...testing you.

 

[atom]

Bah, Mercedes are for image. BMW's are for image AND for people who want sporty cars.

And also, a JDM 3rd Gen. Integra looks better than and celica ever made.

I'd rather have a car like this over any Celica.

 

[Sunny129]

first of all anyone who gets a porsche 911 w/ an automatic gearbox should be shot. the manual transmission would beat an M3 any day. if it has an electronic governer, that can be lifted. how do you think top speeds are calculated in such a car...obviously by going faster than 150 mph. thats just the base model 911. the 911 turbo would turn circles around the M3 and M5. off the line is all that matters...who in the real world is going to race up to top speed in their porsche or 911. the M5 is a 12 cylinder, right? it should have a higher top speed than a 911, turbo or not. the engine is twice the size. but off the line and past 100 mph or a 1/4 mile, the 911 turbo will be in front. as far as benz goes, the SL500 is quite the performer, not to mention the SL600, which i'm sure you know is a v12. its performance is very comparable to the 911 turbo, and tops out at an even higher speed than the M5. i have an issue of Road &amp; Track with test drives on all the above cars...if i can find it i will post exact info...

 

[NFS4]

<< Anyways...the '93-98 Celica you so love to talk about IS BLOATED! 135HP powering a 3200lb+ car is BAD MOJO! >>


I thought you knew your cars The '94-'98 Celica weighs 2755 lbs with a manual transmission. I don't know where in the hell you got 3200+ from Even a '01 Celica only weighs only 2500 lbs...

 

[SuperGroove]

<<eclipse = ugly sissy car
2001 celica = bad ass
integra = always been ugly, wanna be celica
GTI = is that an automobile of some sort? (ugliest of all)
BMW M3 = wanna be Benz
prelude = beautiful car, but not as beautiful as the celica
celica concept car = ugly and junked up
celica '93-98 = best celica ever>>


Yes the Eclipse is ugly. All those scoops and swoops horrified me when I first saw it.

The 2001 Celica is NOT bad ass. Interviews with the designers reveal the celica is designed with solely the female driver in mind. The engine and tranny blow...can you say wannabe VTEC?

THe integra is the benchmark(eeps, sorry VW dudes) of all Sport Compact Cars. Nuff said.

BMW M3...my God, don't be so ignorant. AMG is around only to create cars that'll compete with the benz'. BMWs are sporty. Mercedes' idea of a sporty car is a CLK-320 with 450HP mated to a 5 speed AUTOMATIC!!

The Prelude is more of a sport coupe, than sports car. Too heavy.

Like I said, the previous generation of Celicas were bland, bloated, and waaay underpowered. I didn't say they were ugly though...just bloated.




AND!!! You didn't just knock the father of Pocket Rockets, the GTI. It may be boxy, but it isn't going for style points. It's about all out fun. VW's philosophy, take the smallest car, and stuff it with the biggest engine lying around. They were even considerate, in that they created one of the most sweet handling FWD cars ever!!!

Ignoramus.

Paul

Did I just stick up for the M3? WAH!!!

 

[Sunny129]

SuperGroove,

i never said that the '93-98 celicas had monster engines in them. i just said they are the best looking celica in my opinion. even the new celica GT-S with its 4-cylinder isnt a monster engine either. i wasnt really talking about performance with the 93-98 celicas. and if you ask me, anyone is wasting their breath talking about the performance of celicas, integras, volkswagons, and whatnot. if you are looking for a real performance sedan, look to the M3 or M5...otherwise your best bet it the celica GT-S

 

[NFS4]

<< the M5 is a 12 cylinder, right? it should have a higher top speed than a 911, turbo or not. the engine is twice the size. but off the line and past 100 mph or a 1/4 mile, the 911 turbo will be in front. as far as benz goes, the SL500 is quite the performer, not to mention the SL600, which i'm sure you know is a v12. its performance is very comparable to the 911 turbo, and tops out at an even higher speed than the M5. >>


Are those few lines a joke or something???? I'm laughing my ass off over here An M5 has a 400HP 5.0 liter V8. The '01 911 Turbo has a 420 HP flat-6.

An SL500 or SL600 come NO WHERE CLOSE TO matching a 0-60 time of 3.8 seconds for a 911 Turbo.

For comparisons sake

0-60

'97 911 Turbo - 3.6 sec
'01 911 Turbo - 3.8 sec
'00 M5 - 4.7 sec

I'm looking for specs on the SL series

OK, SL500 - 6.2 sec
There is no way in hell that an SL600 is even gonna come close to a 911 Turbo

As for 1/4 mile times

'97 911 Turbo - 11.9 sec
'01 911 Turbo - 12.0 sec
'00 M5 - 13.2 sec
'97 SL500 - 14.5 sec

An SL series can't even touch an M5

 

[Imported]

Maybe the 3200lbs+ was with the driver in it?

Anyways, a Silvia and a 240SX are way different. Considering we only saw a weak engined 240SX in the states, you'd be able to tell the difference by just stepping on the pedal. A Silvia incorporates the handling of the 240SX, which it was known for, with a bigger, more powerful, turbocharged engine.

 

[SuperGroove]

'93 600SEC Coupe

0-60=6.3 seconds
1/4 mile=14.3
top speed(governor limited)=155


Sunny,

Okay...I didn't want to say the Celica is ugly. It isn't. I like it more than all the Celicas, especially in All-Trac form found in Japan and Australia. It was a bit harsh of me. In fact, I almost bought a '94 Celica ST. I liked the gear shift engagement and clutch a lot.

Paul

 

[Sunny129]

V-tec...please...like i said b4, all those little sedans are in a performance class of their own. you might as well base it all upon looks, b/c the best performing sports sedan for under $25K isnt going to blow the cheapest sports sedan out of the water or anything...

 

[SuperGroove]

<< Anyways, a Silvia and a 240SX are way different. Considering we only saw a weak engined 240SX in the states, you'd be able to tell the difference by just stepping on the pedal. A Silvia incorporates the handling of the 240SX, which it was known for, with a bigger, more powerful, turbocharged engine. >>



Illkid,

I really dig the Silvia and the '95 Nissan 240SX SE. RWD is one of the features that attracted as many fans as it did. If I were to have enough money, I'd buy a '95, and stick the 3.0L 220HP naturally aspirated engine found in the '89-96 Nissan 300ZX. The engine that SHOULD have been in the 240SX.

Paul

 

[NFS4]

Sunny, look at the numbers above. The SL series Mercs SUCK!

 

[Imported]

THe integra is the benchmark(eeps, sorry VW dudes) of all Sport Compact Cars. Nuff said.

I doubt any Integra but the Type-R would be the benchmark. The Type-R is the only Integra worth it at all. Sport Compact Car rated the Celica GTS above the Prelude SH and Integra GSR, but below the Type-R.

 

[SuperGroove]

illkid,

How old is the Integra though?

That's what I thought.

 

[atom]

<< i never said that the '93-98 celicas had monster engines in them. i just said they are the best looking celica in my opinion. even the new celica GT-S with its 4-cylinder isnt a monster engine either. i wasnt really talking about performance with the 93-98 celicas. and if you ask me, anyone is wasting their breath talking about the performance of celicas, integras, volkswagons, and whatnot. if you are looking for a real performance sedan, look to the M3 or M5...otherwise your best bet it the celica GT-S >>



OMG did you really mean that? So we shouldn't care about getting a good performing car in our price range? No wonder you're driving a weak as hell celica!!!!!!

 

[Sunny129]

SuperGroove,

i know you arent saying its ugly...and i wont hate anyone who does...its all opinion. by the way, the specs have changed quite a bit on an SL600 since '93...

NFS4,

my mistake...i should have checked the newest specs b4 i posted. the ones i know of are from a good 4 years ago or something like that. as far as the M5 goes, it looks like a big enough car to squeeze a 12 cylinder engine under the hood. i dont keep up on my BMW knowledge...i've just never been crazy about them...dont get me wrong, i'll take one in a heartbeat, but i prefer benz, sportier or not. and give me a porsche over either of them...

 

[Imported]

The current gen Integra? Sure it may be 7 years old, but that hardly gives it a benchmark title. I could see where the Type-R could be a benchmark, since it's just so superior to the GSR. If you meant the Type-R as the benchmark, then forget everything I've said about it.

 

[SuperGroove]

Yes...the Integra is 7 years old....and all other sports coupe are a few years younger and some not even as good as the Integra.

WAIT WAIT! You know I love dubs...you're trying to get me to defend Integras.

I will not!

Paul

 

[Imported]

I'm not bashing the Integra at all. I personally like it for it's aftermarket support and because one of my uncles had one, though it was an LS.

I can't wait till I have to go through this again when I finally get my own car..