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Celeron (tualatin core) on a Via board? Overclock or just +33 on memory?

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Parrotheader

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I was just wondering if anybody else here is running one of the latest Celerons on a Tualatin-capable Via board. I was originally going to get a 1.0A and shoot for a 133+ overclock, but then I got to thinking about it more. I thought maybe it would just be better to go with a sure thing, pay a few bucks more and get the 1.3A, run it at stock speed and then just up the memory speed to 133 (since the Via boards will allow you to do that.) I know it wouldn't be quite as fast as 1.33 overclock, but it should be in the same ballpark and I don't have to worry about overclocking it.

My board is an MSI 694T Pro I got awhile back when my old board died. I figured I'd go ahead and get a Tualatin board for upgrade headroom and since it was only ~$68 it was an easy decision. I know 815 chipset boards are the favorites, but this one supposedly benchmarked very well against 815 competition in a lot of reviews I read at the time. And like I said, it was cheap 😉
 
Im using a Biostar M6VLQ with a Celly 1.0a on my server..I only run the memory at +33.
I wasnt able to get the board to be stable at above 110fsb with the memory at 110fsb.
I think it has to do with the board having onboard LAN, Sound, Video.
PLus, I dont want to turn my WD 120 drives (2) to mumble jumble with OC'in
 
I must be an unlucky one. Only able to run at 1.27 ghz with a 1.0A celeron on a Asus TUV4X (didn't mess with voltage). Any higher and it wouldn't reliably boot into W2K, though when it did get past the start up screen, it was very stable (up to 1.4 ghz). I had previously tried a Biostar VIA board (M6VCT ?) which allowed overclocking, but didn't allow changing the PCI ratio, so never got much more than 110 FSB or so. I looked into the MSI board, and based on what i remember about reading the manual online, it had the same problem as the biostar board.

If your board supports the PCI ratio changes (the Asus does it automatically), I'd recommend the 1.0A over the 1.3 and overclock it.
 
I have a Shuttle AV18ET link and a 1.0A running at 1.33g with defualt voltage and its a sweet little setup. I purchased the combo from Frys for $89 awhile back, but I was pretty unsure of the board. I looked all over the net for a review or info about the board and found very little, and considered taking it back... glad I didn't as I wound up being pleasantly surprised by the performance. I would consider the 1.0A or even the 1.1A and OCing it, but check the specs on the board and see if it has voltage adjustment to be safe, you might need that added extra boost...

Dave
 


<< My board is an MSI 694T Pro >>


Bah! I have that board, and when trying to overclock it won't even POST. Same CPU on an Abit VH6T (VIA chipset) runs at 1333 just fine. Your idea of a 1300@100 with RAM@133 should work fine.
 
You should get a 1.0A and o/c to 1333, the odds are very high you will get there... I'm running a 1.0@1.4 on VH6-T and it beats a p4 2ghz on some sandra benchies. One fast mother of a chip, for a low price hey. Plus you get to be a 31337 0v3rcl0ck3r! The ST-6 has a new bios which allows decent (higher) voltage adjustment so get that if you are worried you might not make it.

The problem with +33 memory setting is that the data has problems translating between the two bus speeds (internal & mem), i heard its not too efficient, and doesnt increase mem banwidth that much.

So do the overclocking thing, even if you dont get there on standard voltage, doing the pinhole mod on the motherboard is a 10 minute job, all you have to do is drop a small U shaped piece of wire in 2 holes and then put the chip in. its really easy... dont be scared of moddding, its your friend!

~ShiFtY out~
 


<< I have a Shuttle AV18ET link and a 1.0A running at 1.33g with defualt voltage and its a sweet little setup. I purchased the combo from Frys for $89 awhile back, but I was pretty unsure of the board. I looked all over the net for a review or info about the board and found very little, and considered taking it back... glad I didn't as I wound up being pleasantly surprised by the performance. I would consider the 1.0A or even the 1.1A and OCing it, but check the specs on the board and see if it has voltage adjustment to be safe, you might need that added extra boost...

Dave >>



Ok, I got the same combo as Dave. I was just wondering if I need to change the DRAM Clock to HCLK -33 if I only use PC 100 SDRam? My SDRam is Kingston.

I haven't change it yet since I am afraid it will fry my memory. Thanks



Darno
 
stingbandel, you can overclock RAM also!!! I have some Kingston ValueRAM 256MB PC100 that overclocks to 133 CL2. You can try first by leaving the CPU at default 100 and clocking the RAM at +33 (leaving it at CL3). If it's stable, then OC your CPU and leave the RAM at FSB speed. Also, do you know the CAS rating of your RAM? If it's CL2@100MHz then you have a good chance of going 133@CL3. If it's CL3@100MHz, then probably not.
 
For the record, I`ve just clocked a Tualatin Celly 1200 @1400 using the standard voltage (I haven`t done the pin mod to "up" it) 117x12 with the Hyundai 256 PC133 RAM running async at 117+33 = 150Mhz i had to use CAS3 to achieve this but managed to tweak the other parameters to get the RAM running sweet again .. VIA Chipsets, hate them as I usually do are GOOD at RAM async.. 100% stable though this does push the AGP Bus up to 78Mhz.

Temps in a Slot-1 case (the CPU is under the PSU 🙁 ) at 18deg-C room temp didn`t get over 28 degrees no matter how long I left Sandra CPU burn-in running for, the CPU is cooled with a large cheap Athlon coolermaster HS/Fan with Speeze`s fake silver paste and the motherboard is a cheapo £50 Jetway 694TAS, I would imagine that in a modern case (one which actually has a proper exhaust fan) with something like a Volcano-7+ or other budget super-sink, the CPU would almost get frostbite..

The Jetway has no Voltage adjustment in the BIOS, but this revision of 1200 is reported at 1.51V even though the CPU has 1.45 written on it!!!! - I get the feeling that it`s a 1300 (which DO run at 1.5V) with the multiplier reduced - anyone else encountered this?? . I bet that it`ll pull 133/133 @ 1600 without hitch once the voltage is upped, a link to the Tualatin pin-mod wouldbe helpful
 
I am running a Celery 1.1A at 1.41 Ghz (11x128FSB) on a Asus Tusl2-C at stock voltage with 384 MB generic ram. Anything higher makes it unstable due to the cheapo RAM. Temps are 40/43 idle/load. Cooling is a 80 mm fan on a SK6 using an adapter made out of a funnel.
 


<< What is "pin mod " you guy talking about? >>


Shorting out certain pins to artificially tell the motherboard that the CPU is of a higher voltage. This usually involves using thin wires to wrap certain CPU pins together or using wires bent into a U shape inserted into certain holes on the socket. link (I just browsed through current messages, forgot who originally linked this, but thanks)



<< something like a Volcano-7+ or other budget super-sink, the CPU would almost get frostbite >>


LOL, when I first got my Celeron 1.0A I ran it with a Coolermaster HHC-001 (copper, 6800RPM, heatpipes) and I don't think the CPU ever got more than two degrees Celcius over case temp.
 
Hehe.. I`ve just used my Athlon`s old GlobalWin FOP38 with a slimmer slower fan on the Celly-1.2@1400 (waste not want not 😉 and it hit a staggering 23 deg-C - I DID have to use the clip from the Coolermaster as the the combination of the Globalwin one and a Tualatin usually results in socket-stress-city, I wouldn`t mind but I didn`t have any AS2 left and used "Speeze" instead (the gooey fake A.S you get free with Speeze heatsinx) and that`s in my old SLOT-1 case with the thing under the PSU!...

You just gotta love the low temps you can get from these Socket-370 CPUs
 

Zap, Thanks for a usefull post.

Although I am not totally sure how to do it. Once day I might consider doing it to replace my P700e.
 
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