"Celeron processors are the second-highest selling PC processors in the world "

[Dulanic]

Originally posted by: Sid59
celeron + intel extreme = high seller .. too bad they are crap.

Tell me about it my sister just ordered a PC through dell intel extreme graphics and all. I was about ready to puke..... cancelled that order and ordered her a P4 2.8Ghz 800Mhz HT, FX 5200, 80GB HD, 512MB PC3200 RAM, CD-RW, DVD-ROM, 17" LCD for like $800.... not too bad. Im a big fan of AMD, but that was a good price for what she got especially with the 17" LCD.

Dell can REALLY rip you off if you dont know what to order.... she ordered a 2.6P4 533Mhz bus, 40GB HD, integrated graphics, 256MB of ram, everything else the same... and it came to $1100.... so the system I choose for her was $200 cheaper..... and better in every way. Shes not a big gamer but does play some minor games, so the FX 5200 will be fine for her.

 

[Schadenfroh]

i thought the celerons would outsell the pentium 4s

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Many more WOULD game if they had a computer with more power than their OEM shltbox. Or their kids would...

You need to keep in mind that us enthusiasts/gamers are a TINY piece of the big picture.

 

[Zebo]

I learned people where morons at about four years old this was confirmend by reading PT barnums "the art of money" at nine and solidified by reading this.

 

[BlvdKing]

When I worked at Best Buy almost everyone bought a Celeron computer with integrated graphics, most with no AGP slot. There was no talking them out of it. It was alot of extra work to get them to buy a computer with an AMD chip, and I even had a couple customers return their AMD machines the next day after someone told them to. They were led to believe that AMD = crap, or AMD is going out of business within a couple years, etc...

Working at Best Buy nearly killed me.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Many more WOULD game if they had a computer with more power than their OEM shltbox. Or their kids would...

You need to keep in mind that us enthusiasts/gamers are a TINY piece of the big picture.

Exactly. eg. Out of all of my close colleagues at work (30?) only 1 person actually does any 3D gaming. And that person does it rarely nowadays.

BTW, Celeron plus Intel Extreme graphics is not crap. Crap is a machine with poor build quality. Celeron plus Intel Extreme can make for a very nice reliable machine, but it will just be comparatively slow for gaming. But if you're not gaming, then who cares? And just because something has a P4 Northwood doesn't make it not-crap either. I see a LOT of very poorly built machines out there with uber-fast CPUs and GPUs. Too bad the rest of the machine is made up of crap parts.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Wingznut
You need to keep in mind that us enthusiasts/gamers are a TINY piece of the big picture.

I know that, but one doesn't need to be a hardware enthusiast to enjoy PC gaming. If that were the case then Wal-Mart wouldn't carry the wide variety of PC games that it does. They don't line their shelves with products that they are unable to sell.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: Eug
Exactly. eg. Out of all of my close colleagues at work (30?) only 1 person actually does any 3D gaming. And that person does it rarely nowadays.

Perhaps my colleagues and I don't represent the average cross section of today's society, but at least 25% of my coworkers game. My manager included.

(at my place of employment we do nuclear physics, we are a bunch of eggheads)

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Many more WOULD game if they had a computer with more power than their OEM shltbox. Or their kids would...

You need to keep in mind that us enthusiasts/gamers are a TINY piece of the big picture.

Exactly. eg. Out of all of my close colleagues at work (30?) only 1 person actually does any 3D gaming. And that person does it rarely nowadays.

BTW, Celeron plus Intel Extreme graphics is not crap. Crap is a machine with poor build quality. Celeron plus Intel Extreme can make for a very nice reliable machine, but it will just be comparatively slow for gaming. But if you're not gaming, then who cares? And just because something has a P4 Northwood doesn't make it not-crap either. I see a LOT of very poorly built machines out there with uber-fast CPUs and GPUs. Too bad the rest of the machine is made up of crap parts.

I was just waiting for you to throw a mac refernce in but you held out.

Sounds like this guy in under thumb. I'm 32 and play every single game I can get my hands on. Don't like online gaming but my 9 yr old accomidates/capitulates his daddy over the lan.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I was just waiting for you to throw a mac refernce in but you held out.

Heh. OK, here ya go...

My laptop Mac has very good build quality but it doesn't game very well. But I don't care because I don't game anymore, and even if I did I wouldn't be doing it on my laptop Mac.

Sounds like this guy in under thumb.

I don't understand

I'm 32 and play every single game I can get my hands on. Don't like online gaming but my 9 yr old accomidates/capitulates his daddy over the lan.

I used to game more, but now I simply don't have the time, or interest. And some of my colleagues NEVER had the interest to 3D game, despite some of them having very fast computers. (They often come to me to spec out their computers for them within a specific budget, and I often spec very fast computers for them because work helps out paying for them so these people are willing to spend more bux. But despite having fast computers they still have no interest in gaming.)

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Todd33
With crappy 3D cards, driver issues, game patches, etc. I doubt PC gaming will take off with the general population. We are talking 40-60 year olds who can barely check their e-mail. If you want to game, buy a console. The rest of us know computers, so gaming isn't a big issue.

Buy a console!?! My roommates and I have both an XBox and a PS2 in my house in addition to our PC's. While the XBox and the PS2 are pretty good at what they do and fun to play, PC's and consoles fill different gaming niches in my opinion. We play Soul Calibur II and SSX3 on the consoles, but UT2003 and Colin McRae 2 on our PC's. We have UT2003 Championship for the XBox, but it doesn't even compare to the PC version.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: Wingznut
You need to keep in mind that us enthusiasts/gamers are a TINY piece of the big picture.

I know that, but one doesn't need to be a hardware enthusiast to enjoy PC gaming. If that were the case then Wal-Mart wouldn't carry the wide variety of PC games that it does. They don't line their shelves with products that they are unable to sell.

How many games Wal-Mart has in stock is not an accurate measurement of how much of the PC buying population plays games.

The vast majority of PC's sold do not have games played on them. Most of the people who own PC's don't game on them, nor do they have the interest. Most people that do play video games, do it on a console (not on a PC.)

There ya go.

 

[Megatomic]

I used Walmart as an example of a store where the "common joe" shops. I personally think more people play games than you might think. But you are right for sure about one thing, I'm sure many more game on consoles than they do on their PCs. I'll concede that.

 

[Zebo]

How did games even get brought up? Point is a duron 1.8 GHz @ $40 or a t-bred 1900 @$48 will mop the floor with celerons in both price and performce and the huddled masses arn't buying them because of intels hype, marketing, reputation and market saturation. T

 

[mechBgon]

Where I work, our antivirus software can hogtie even my Athlon64 for over 45 seconds while it clears Microsoft Access Help's .CHM file for use. I can post a screenshot if desired. Celerons, uh, need not apply.

To be fair, we do have a fleet with some Cu-leron 566's and 600's at the moment. They're next on the chopping block after we re-rid ourselves of our PII-350's (tried to retire them before but had to drag a few back out).

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: Zebo
How did games even get brought up? Point is a duron 1.8 GHz @ $40 or a t-bred 1900 @$48 will mop the floor with celerons in both price and performce and the huddled masses arn't buying them because of intels hype, marketing, reputation and market saturation. T

Reputation goes a long way, and I think there is some justification for that at least in the past

In the past some of the dominant AMD chipsets *cough* VIA *cough* really sucked IMO. OTOH, with Intel there had been stuff like the venerable BX chipset. Now end users don't know anything about chipsets, but did understand when their friends BX chipset PIII from Dell worked great out of the box but their own AMD VIA solution from the local mom&pop store wanted more drivers, etc. And prior to that era in the ancient past there were even problems in terms of AMD compatibility. Also, I wonder if AMD's performance rating, although often accurate, often makes people wonder if AMD is trying to pull a fast one in terms of performance.

Nowadays things are different, but it's gonna take some time before AMD gets over this completely.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: screw3d
So sad it's true.

my thoughts exactly

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: Zebo
How did games even get brought up? Point is a duron 1.8 GHz @ $40 or a t-bred 1900 @$48 will mop the floor with celerons in both price and performce and the huddled masses arn't buying them because of intels hype, marketing, reputation and market saturation. T

Reputation goes a long way, and I think there is some justification for that at least in the past

In the past some of the dominant AMD chipsets *cough* VIA *cough* really sucked IMO. OTOH, with Intel there had been stuff like the venerable BX chipset. Now end users don't know anything about chipsets, but did understand when their friends BX chipset PIII from Dell worked great out of the box but their own AMD VIA solution from the local mom&pop store wanted more drivers, etc. And prior to that era in the ancient past there were even problems in terms of AMD compatibility. Also, AMD's performance rating, although often accurate, often makes people wonder if AMD is trying to pull a fast one in terms of performance.

Nowadays things are different, but it's gonna take some time before AMD gets over this completely.

I agree with all that. Loved my celeron 300 oced to 450 on bx2... Now it's a differnet ball game and I wonder what kind of discounts intel gives Dell to stay intel...May even have parity in price/performance once all is said and done at the system builder level.

 

[yhelothar]

I ran starcraft on my sister's 700MHz Celeron. IT STRUGGLED with two computers! My old 900MHz Athlon T-Bird was FAR FAR faster.
To have a 700MHz celeron struggle on an old game that runs on a 486 is just pathetic.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: AEnigmaWI
makes me cry.. especially considering an Athlon XP system is MUCH CHEAPER..

remember the celeron vs duron article where the duron trounced it???

Celeron is evil

totally
celerons are pathetic.. i despise them

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I'm dreading the 64-bit celeron

I already called it before - the Celeron 64.

- M4H

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I'm dreading the 64-bit celeron

I already called it before - the Celeron 64. - M4H

There we go... full circle (well... wrong processor family but....) we're back to the C64!

Nah... let's keep our memories of the C64 pleasant ones... not tarnish it with Smelleron.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I ran starcraft on my sister's 700MHz Celeron. IT STRUGGLED with two computers! My old 900MHz Athlon T-Bird was FAR FAR faster.
To have a 700MHz celeron struggle on an old game that runs on a 486 is just pathetic.

Then thats a software problem. You cannot attribute that to the celeron.

I was running Starcraft on a Pentium-133 Mhz/ 48MB memory when it first came out and it worked fine.

 

[caz67]

Id believe it, all my family have bought Celerons. Thats because, they know s#*t about computers, and get sucked in by salesman.

I tell them, not to believe anything those morons say about it being, Pentium compatible.

LOL

 

[Abhi]

Celery 64 .... sheesh!