Celeron or FX5600?

[tadmaz]

I have a Celeron 2.4 GHz and an FX 5600 256MB. I get 5600 on 3dmark2001. That seems ridiculously low to me, I know celerons suck, but this bad? I also have only 266DDR Ram and only 256 MB of it. I'm looking to get near 10,000 on 3dmark2001, since I know my video card can get there. My motherboard died yesterday...and I'm getting a nearly identical one but a different brand in a day or two, maybe that will make my performance better?

Would an upgrade to a P4 2.8 HT increase my performance a lot? Would getting more ram help? Does my FX 5600 suck even though I've seen it get 10,000 on 3dmark2001?

 

[ShinX]

Dunno what to say but Celerons do suck, so does anything from the FX line. Or it could be that your comp is just loaded with spyware and other misc junk.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: tadmaz
I have a Celeron 2.4 GHz and an FX 5600 256MB. I get 5600 on 3dmark2001. That seems ridiculously low to me, I know celerons suck, but this bad? I also have only 266DDR Ram and only 256 MB of it. I'm looking to get near 10,000 on 3dmark2001, since I know my video card can get there. My motherboard died yesterday...and I'm getting a nearly identical one but a different brand in a day or two, maybe that will make my performance better?

Would an upgrade to a P4 2.8 HT increase my performance a lot? Would getting more ram help? Does my FX 5600 suck even though I've seen it get 10,000 on 3dmark2001?

5600 is low for a fx5600 although that is probably be due to your processor!

Here are my results with a 128bit 256mb FX5600 and a xp2500 processor:-

3DMark Score - 9354
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail - 134.5 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail - 53.1 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail - 151.9 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail - 80.6 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail - 135.1 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail - 64.7 fps
Game 4 - Nature - 58.6 fps
Fill Rate (Single-Texturing) - 755.3 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-Texturing) - 1075.4 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 Light) - 42.2 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 Lights) - 7.3 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping - 144.0 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping - 92.0 fps
Vertex Shader - 62.7 fps
Pixel Shader - 132.7 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader - 48.5 fps
Point Sprites - 18.6 MSprites/s

Compare your scores against these!

 

[ShinX]

yup looks like its that damned Celeron

 

[The Green Bean]

I get 13Ks with Ti 4400 and 2500+ ...fx5600 must really be a POS

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: hatim
I get 13Ks with Ti 4400 and 2500+ ...fx5600 must really be a POS

For my score I used a 256mb xfx fx5600 which is clocked slower than a 128mb fx5600. When I tested the fx5600 it had just been released so the drivers I used were very immature.

 

[ShinX]

the entire FX line is POS. 128bit in a 256bit world , i think im gonna puke

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: ShinX
the entire FX line is POS. 128bit in a 256bit world , i think im gonna puke

Want to hear something which will make you puke? When the geforce fx range was first released I made £1000's on Ebay selling the 128mb geforce fx5200 for £110 and a 256mb geforce fx 5600 for a cool £170!

 

[tadmaz]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
Here are my results with a 128bit 256mb FX5600 and a xp2500 processor:-

Thanks for the comparison!!! We have the exact same video card and you're getting double performance. A P4 2.8 HT should beat a 2500+ I'm guessing, so $170 and my performance is doubled....oh joy.

 

[ShinX]

@_@ ........ X_X

 

[ShinX]

I guess it would increase since GPU scaling depends on the CPU. You should upgrade.512mb ram is minimum these days btw

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: ShinX
Dunno what to say but Celerons do suck, so does anything from the FX line. Or it could be that your comp is just loaded with spyware and other misc junk.

5700u, 5900XT, 5900, 5950? You left those out Either way, why not just get an AXP platform, buy a Barton 2500+. Overclocking is key if you want to gain performance, you can overclock a 5600 to an extent, and notice a performance gain.

AXP- 2500+ $87
MOBO- Shuttle $57
RAM- Mushkin $77

TOTAL= $221 for an entirely new, overclockable system, that will carry you as far as you can OC it

edit: And if you don't feel accustomed to oc'ing, like I did when I got my system, it'll still blow that celly out of the water. The pc3200 RAM is kind of like a ticket to overclock that processor, doesn't mean you have to, but having it means you can do it easily should you decide to.

 

[carlosd]

Intel Sucks and FX 5600 Sucks. I don't think that upgrading to 2.8HT your sistem will improve as double. Because it depends also on the chipset you are using.

 

[Concillian]

The thing you'll find out is that anytime you ask the question:
Which is my problem, the Celeron or XYZ

90+% of the time it's the Celeron. Not only are the Celerons slow, they are totally starved by the low FSB speed. The p4 design needs cache and memory throughput to perform well. Neither of these is given in the Celeron architecture.

I remember a thread on the HardOCP forums. The dude had a decent video card and asked why his 2.4 GHz processor and this video card was getting HALF the FPS in Doom3 that some review was showing with a 2.4 GHz P4 and the same video card. About 15 posts later he said that it wasn't a P4 2.4, it was a Celeron 2.4. Hey, guess what? That was the problem. HALF the FPS. The Celeron is a complete and total DOG. Learn, admit you made a poor buying decision and move on.

Here is that thread form H:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=788215

That thread cracks me up every time I read it... dude calls his processor a P4, then 15 posts later is like, uhh, does it make a difference that it's a Celeron? ROFL.

I agree with Sneaky, an AXP is the only ultra-budget choice that makes sense. It's less RAM dependent, so you can get cheap RAM and the MBs are cheap. So are the processors. I would say to go with a 2400+ mobile instead of the 2500+ though, similar price and it will OC better.

 

[CraigRT]

just upgrading the CPU will net you a very large improvement in 3dmark. although 3dmark is not everything.
ultimately if your 3d card sucks, no matter which CPU have, your performance will suck in taxing games. you should try to upgrade the vid. card later on as well.
start with the CPU though, because a Celeron cannot power a faster video card, guaranteed.

 

[Gamingphreek]

5600 is a POS. It is crippled by everything. That is why they released the 5700 which is a HUGE improvment over the 5600. A Geforce 2Ti (a bit faster than a Geforce 4mx) beats the 5600 in most tests.

Celeron is also crippled however you can OC that and gain some better results. So i would go with video card first then Processor.

I would second the idea of the AXP system however, that video card reallly is pretty bad.

-Kevin

 

[SneakyStuff]

not THAT bad. He just needs to overclock it a bit.

 

[ShinX]

And there you have it , upgrading is the way to go. Never buy a low end processor no matter how cheap , you can usually find a P4 thats faster and cheaper than a Celeron these days. If you can , switch over to AMD , look at my system specs for examples

 

[Vernor]

The 5700 is certainly not that much better than a 5600.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Yeah it is the 5600 cant get anywhere near the 5700 and both cant hold a candle to the 5900XT/98(7)00Pros.

-Kevin

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: ShinX
the entire FX line is POS. 128bit in a 256bit world , i think im gonna puke

You know there is a 128bit Radeon 9800? and that the 9600xt is 128bit?

 

[ShinX]

yes but they dont make me wanna puke because they beat the pants off Nvidias FX mid/low end

 

[tadmaz]

I found this is another forum:

Intel Celeron 2.2Ghz, 256MB DDR266 RAM (Generic) GeForce FX5600 128MB (Non-Ultra), I seem to get a score in 3DMark2001 of 6000 - 6500. Is what i should be getting?

So I guess the celly is just that bad...

I get 2200 on 3dmark2003, and that apparently is on par!!! An MSI FX5600 on a P4 2.8 gets 2100 (found from pcstats.com) (Since 2003 is mostly GPU) So this almost 100% proves that the celeron is the single reason why I'm not getting ~10000 on 2001. Anyone agree/disagree?

 

[Rage187]

I agree w/ your findings that it should improve 2k1 and net you at least 10,000.


but what it wont do is increase your 2k3 score pass 3k.


If your just looking to upgrade for a dx7 or 8 game then feel confident its an upgrade...but...if you think its gonna make a huge difference in a dx9 game you are mistaken as the 5600 is a POS when it comes to dx9.

 

[tadmaz]

Originally posted by: Rage187
I agree w/ your findings that it should improve 2k1 and net you at least 10,000.


but what it wont do is increase your 2k3 score pass 3k.


If your just looking to upgrade for a dx7 or 8 game then feel confident its an upgrade...but...if you think its gonna make a huge difference in a dx9 game you are mistaken as the 5600 is a POS when it comes to dx9.

Excellent! I'd be very happy with 10,000 in 2001 and 2200+ in 2003, I know it's pretty low-end but it's alright for me. Thank you all, I guess I'll get rid of the celly ASAP.