Celeron 1.4 performance = Celeron 2.4 performance?

[mooojojojo]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: AIWGuru
Sorry mooooojojojo but the era that your 933mhz P3 is from is the problem, not the processor itself. It's going to be stuck with a slower chipset and a hard drive from that time period (which made for a much less responsive or snappy system.) It could have been a slot 1 processor for all we know which doesn't even have on die cache.
In addition to all of the system level benefits a modern 1.4Ghz celeron has (these celerons are just like P3s - same ammount of cache) it's also got 50% more clock speed than the P3 you're comparing it to.

My sister bought herself an emachine with a celeron 1.8ghz and it's the slowest thing I've ever seen. It takes about 3 seconds to pull up the start menu. At first I attributed it to the 128MB of ram so she's up to 512MB now and it's just as bad. It could be the 5400rpm hard drive but I doubt it would make that much of a difference. This system is just dog slow and my 1ghz athlon is much, much faster.

There were slot1 on coppermines. I had a 550E and a 750E both slot 1 with on die cache.

Yes, but didn't they use a slocket adapter? I had a dual P3 board which used two coppermines in slocket adapters.
Anyway, the point is that for all he knows it could be an off-die cache chip.

I'm pretty sure there are no off-die cache P3 Coppermines. The last Pentiums with off-die cache IIRC were the Katmai P3s, which topped out at 600MHz. Also - the chipset the P3 is using is the same that the Tualatin Celeron uses (in reply to your previous post), and the FSB of the stock Celeron is 100MHz vs. 133 on the P3. I'm not sure you got the idea of the discussion. The thing in question is whether the Celeron 1.4 is as fast as 2.4GHz.

On a side note I don't think you'll be able to tell the difference between a Celeron 2.4 and an Athlon 2000+ without pulling out some benchmark or FPS counter. 😉

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: AkumaX
you could get a 1700+/1800+ for like $40, that's 1/2 of a celeron 2.8

and it'll still OWN ALL j00000000000000000

Many enthusiasts would prefer to pay ~$60 for a 2.0Ghz Celeron and O/C it to spank the stock 2.8 . . . and upgrade later to a P4 when they can afford it and it is cheap. 😉

and there are those who would (almost) rather die than buy AMD.

 

[AIWGuru]

😉

Sigh. I know there are no off-die cache coppermines. What I've been saying is that most slot 1 P3s are NOT coppermines. They have off die cache. I thought that .25u p3s with off die went up to 1ghz.

 

[AIWGuru]

From anandtech's celeron review:
"It is very obvious from these tests which line of budget processors is worth the money. When we can find a 1.6GHz Duron for just over half the price of a 2.6GHz Celeron and get better performance consistently in almost every test we ran, the choice is clear.

It's obvious that the long pipeline of the Pentium 4 just can't handle the crippled cache of the Celeron. With more cache misses and pipeline stalls, the processor isn't getting as much useful work done as it is trying constantly to refill the pipeline"

"The Pentium III based Celerons offered, at one time, acceptable performance. However, it is clear that in the value segment today, Intel has nothing to offer but a high clock speed. AnandTech readers will know to stay away from the Celeron at all costs"

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

😉

Sigh. I know there are no off-die cache coppermines. What I've been saying is that most slot 1 P3s are NOT coppermines. They have off die cache. I thought that .25u p3s with off die went up to 1ghz.

IIRC, the 0.25 um PIII goes up to 600 MHz. After that it's all Coppermine up to about 1.13 GHz, and then it's Tualatin up to 1.4 GHz.

 

[Markfw]

and there are those who would (almost) rather die than buy AMD.

Boy thats smart.....

NOT !!!!!!!

I like AMD, but when it made sense, I even bought a P4 2.4 (before the Athlon64 come into the picture, and the XP prices dropped)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

and there are those who would (almost) rather die than buy AMD.

Boy thats smart.....

NOT !!!!!!!

I like AMD, but when it made sense, I even bought a P4 2.4 (before the Athlon64 come into the picture, and the XP prices dropped)

Quoted outta context again. 😛

it's a fact of life that there are those who are brand-loyal . . . and there are also those of us who'd currently rather have a mature MB and chose a highly O/C'able P4 solution over the A643000+ . . . some things "make sense" differently for different reasons. 😉

. . . for some, the SMART thing is to spend $60 now on a 2.0Ghz Celeron and O/C the hell outta it . . . it'll "work" for just about ANYthing you care to throw at it AND there is a CHEAP UPgrade path in a O/C'd P4 later . . .

BTW, did you notice the A643000+ seems to (finally) be coming down in price? about $205 on PW. 😉

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: apoppin
If you go NewEggs' pricing, the P4-2.80c (which I bought last month) is ~$185; the 2.4 Celery is ~$110 less.

If you doN'T have the money NOW or NEED the performance, the Celery will do fine for a year or so until the Northwood P4s are cheap - sticking in an 0/C'd 3.x+ would be a screamin' upgrade.

edit: of course, you'd O/C that 2.4 Celeron to ~3.0Ghz and it would be a decent performer NOW.

In fact, I am looking to do a similar upgrade path next year, when 3.4Ghz is starting to seem slow . . . I am quite certain the last of the Northwoods will be cheap next year AND O/C to well over 4.0 Ghz. 😉

What I don't get is WHY would you want a 2.4 Celeron for ~75, when you could get a 2500+ that will murder the Celeron for virtually the same price? You'd have to have a HUGE Vendetta against AMD to do that, especially considering the price and preformance. Hell, go get a 1700+ for cheaper if we wanna be stingy, that'll still cream the Celeron.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: apoppin
If you go NewEggs' pricing, the P4-2.80c (which I bought last month) is ~$185; the 2.4 Celery is ~$110 less.

If you doN'T have the money NOW or NEED the performance, the Celery will do fine for a year or so until the Northwood P4s are cheap - sticking in an 0/C'd 3.x+ would be a screamin' upgrade.

edit: of course, you'd O/C that 2.4 Celeron to ~3.0Ghz and it would be a decent performer NOW.

In fact, I am looking to do a similar upgrade path next year, when 3.4Ghz is starting to seem slow . . . I am quite certain the last of the Northwoods will be cheap next year AND O/C to well over 4.0 Ghz. 😉

What I don't get is WHY would you want a 2.4 Celeron for ~75, when you could get a 2500+ that will murder the Celeron for virtually the same price? You'd have to have a HUGE Vendetta against AMD to do that, especially considering the price and preformance. Hell, go get a 1700+ for cheaper if we wanna be stingy, that'll still cream the Celeron.

Yea, by his own quote, I was trying to say the same thing, and he said I "took it out of context" I still don't understand why you would throw away the $75 (who would want it 6 months later, they are crap now) instead of buying something that will actually last a year or two THAT IS STILL UPGRADEABLE.

I agree with the vendetta comment.....

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: apoppin
If you go NewEggs' pricing, the P4-2.80c (which I bought last month) is ~$185; the 2.4 Celery is ~$110 less.

If you doN'T have the money NOW or NEED the performance, the Celery will do fine for a year or so until the Northwood P4s are cheap - sticking in an 0/C'd 3.x+ would be a screamin' upgrade.

edit: of course, you'd O/C that 2.4 Celeron to ~3.0Ghz and it would be a decent performer NOW.

In fact, I am looking to do a similar upgrade path next year, when 3.4Ghz is starting to seem slow . . . I am quite certain the last of the Northwoods will be cheap next year AND O/C to well over 4.0 Ghz. 😉

What I don't get is WHY would you want a 2.4 Celeron for ~75, when you could get a 2500+ that will murder the Celeron for virtually the same price? You'd have to have a HUGE Vendetta against AMD to do that, especially considering the price and preformance. Hell, go get a 1700+ for cheaper if we wanna be stingy, that'll still cream the Celeron.

Yea, by his own quote, I was trying to say the same thing, and he said I "took it out of context" I still don't understand why you would throw away the $75 (who would want it 6 months later, they are crap now) instead of buying something that will actually last a year or two THAT IS STILL UPGRADEABLE.

I agree with the vendetta comment.....

i also agree that you don't get it.

😀

 

[mooojojojo]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

😉

Sigh. I know there are no off-die cache coppermines. What I've been saying is that most slot 1 P3s are NOT coppermines. They have off die cache. I thought that .25u p3s with off die went up to 1ghz.

Well as Eug already said, the off-die cache P3 stop at 600MHz. Above that, it's all on-die, regardless of whether it's slot or socket I think.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: apoppin
If you go NewEggs' pricing, the P4-2.80c (which I bought last month) is ~$185; the 2.4 Celery is ~$110 less.

If you doN'T have the money NOW or NEED the performance, the Celery will do fine for a year or so until the Northwood P4s are cheap - sticking in an 0/C'd 3.x+ would be a screamin' upgrade.

edit: of course, you'd O/C that 2.4 Celeron to ~3.0Ghz and it would be a decent performer NOW.

In fact, I am looking to do a similar upgrade path next year, when 3.4Ghz is starting to seem slow . . . I am quite certain the last of the Northwoods will be cheap next year AND O/C to well over 4.0 Ghz. 😉

What I don't get is WHY would you want a 2.4 Celeron for ~75, when you could get a 2500+ that will murder the Celeron for virtually the same price? You'd have to have a HUGE Vendetta against AMD to do that, especially considering the price and preformance. Hell, go get a 1700+ for cheaper if we wanna be stingy, that'll still cream the Celeron.

Yea, by his own quote, I was trying to say the same thing, and he said I "took it out of context" I still don't understand why you would throw away the $75 (who would want it 6 months later, they are crap now) instead of buying something that will actually last a year or two THAT IS STILL UPGRADEABLE.

I agree with the vendetta comment.....

i also agree that you don't get it.

😀

OK, so you buy a $75 Celeron cause thats all you can afford. Six months later you buy a faster P4 to put in it place. Then you try to sell the crap Celeron to somebody and can't (unless you find a moron), so you have wasted $75.

Aside from the fact you might be able to sell the CPU, which I agree might happen, what exactly is it that I don't get ? Why people like to waste money ? Why you are in Intel fanboy who would rather buy and throw away a CPU, or sell it to a moron, than buy one you could actuallly use at twice the speed in the meantime ? Oh, I forgot, then you would have to spend $25-50 on a motherboard that would support AMD processors, and you can't have that.... It might even be upgradable, and then you would have to buy another AMD processor....

 

[BCinSC]

Why won't you run PCI bus off-spec anymore? I'm running mine will above (40) at the moment without issue.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: BCinSC
Why won't you run PCI bus off-spec anymore? I'm running mine will above (40) at the moment without issue.

I've killed drives even at 37.5 MHz. 33.3 working fine --> 37.5 instant data loss. One drive couldn't even be reformatted, simply because I upped the PCI bus to 37.5 (with a system that worked well otherwise with a PCI bus well over 39 MHz).

Also, a few sound cards way back when would do funny things overclocked.

And if it's only say 36.7 that's roughly a 10% overclock, which is pretty much meaningless in everyday use. ie. If I can't get a 15% overclock or higher (38.3 MHz), I won't overclock at all. Actually, scratch that 15% part. Let's just say I just don't bother overclocking anything anymore. I've grown out of my overclocking phase. 😉

And if I helped my GF get a computer, I'm not gonna get her an overclocking oriented machine, anyway.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: apoppin
If you go NewEggs' pricing, the P4-2.80c (which I bought last month) is ~$185; the 2.4 Celery is ~$110 less.

If you doN'T have the money NOW or NEED the performance, the Celery will do fine for a year or so until the Northwood P4s are cheap - sticking in an 0/C'd 3.x+ would be a screamin' upgrade.

edit: of course, you'd O/C that 2.4 Celeron to ~3.0Ghz and it would be a decent performer NOW.

In fact, I am looking to do a similar upgrade path next year, when 3.4Ghz is starting to seem slow . . . I am quite certain the last of the Northwoods will be cheap next year AND O/C to well over 4.0 Ghz. 😉

What I don't get is WHY would you want a 2.4 Celeron for ~75, when you could get a 2500+ that will murder the Celeron for virtually the same price? You'd have to have a HUGE Vendetta against AMD to do that, especially considering the price and preformance. Hell, go get a 1700+ for cheaper if we wanna be stingy, that'll still cream the Celeron.

Yea, by his own quote, I was trying to say the same thing, and he said I "took it out of context" I still don't understand why you would throw away the $75 (who would want it 6 months later, they are crap now) instead of buying something that will actually last a year or two THAT IS STILL UPGRADEABLE.

I agree with the vendetta comment.....

i also agree that you don't get it.

😀

OK, so you buy a $75 Celeron cause thats all you can afford. Six months later you buy a faster P4 to put in it place. Then you try to sell the crap Celeron to somebody and can't (unless you find a moron), so you have wasted $75.

Aside from the fact you might be able to sell the CPU, which I agree might happen, what exactly is it that I don't get ? Why people like to waste money ? Why you are in Intel fanboy who would rather buy and throw away a CPU, or sell it to a moron, than buy one you could actuallly use at twice the speed in the meantime ? Oh, I forgot, then you would have to spend $25-50 on a motherboard that would support AMD processors, and you can't have that.... It might even be upgradable, and then you would have to buy another AMD processor....

First of all, its ~$60 for a 2.0Ghz Celeron that will probably o/c to 3.0 Ghz . . . 2ndly it might be over a year until the 3.0-3.4Ghz P4s are running ~$100 and you WILL get $30 for you used Celery . . .so you (NOW) have a o/c'ing-friendly stable Intel MB and instantly ready for your cheap UPgrade in a year . . . lesssee $60-30+100 (or $130) for two CPUs isn't bad and a couple of years of (relatively hi-performance) use. 😛)

Unless you are "stuck" on AMD (fanboi) and would (almost) rather die than have Intel. 😛

😀

EDIT: You "can" build a budget "performance" system using Intel and STILL have a cheap UPgrade path . .. I am just pointing out the alternatives (the "why?" someone might chose Intel over AMD). 😉

 

[mooojojojo]

So, Mark. You say I can build an AMD rig, just as stable as my current one for a comparable price?

How would that go? I suppose an NForce2 mobo, Barton 2500+.
Do I have to change my memory? Currently it's a PQI DDR333 stick.
What about my power supply? It's a generic JNC brand 300W.

Should I expect any incompatibilities? I have a Gigabyte Radeon 9000pro + 2NICs.

Also - can you advise me on the order of installing things (OS / Drivers / DirectX or how?), which drivers are without issue and where to download them.

And if we get that far, do you promise me that if it doesn't workout you'll shave your butt and walk backwards down your street? 😉 J/K

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
So, Mark. You say I can build an AMD rig, just as stable as my current one for a comparable price?

How would that go? I suppose an NForce2 mobo, Barton 2500+.
Do I have to change my memory? Currently it's a PQI DDR333 stick.
What about my power supply? It's a generic JNC brand 300W.

Should I expect any incompatibilities? I have a Gigabyte Radeon 9000pro + 2NICs.

Also - can you advise me on the order of installing things (OS / Drivers / DirectX or how?), which drivers are without issue and where to download them.

And if we get that far, do you promise me that if it doesn't workout you'll shave your butt and walk backwards down your street? 😉 J/K

OK, there are probably 100 threads to back this up, but an Abit NF7-S with a Barton 2500 should work fine with your memory and PSU (PSU is a ??? though if it is too weak)

Problems ? You would need to do a scratch install, I assume you are talking about XP for the OS ? It should all go exactly like you said, except do directx as part of the OS patches right after the OS and before the other drivers (except possibly nic drivers, needed to get the updates)

 

[StageLeft]

I just built a barton 2500+/NF7-S system a couple weeks back. My first venture into AMD severeal years ago was rife with tragedy, but this one has gone great _with the exception_ of the fact that I would recommend against Win2k as your OS. Quite frankly I could not get it to work. XP I'm sure would have worked (it has for everyone else I think), and I'm running windows 2003 (similar to XP, and it's gone without a hitch). Win2k must be possible to get running with my combo, but damned if I could do it or find anybody with a solution to my problems.

I've not overclocked the setup yet (need some free time first!), but in two weeks on Win2003 I've had zero problems and zero system errors/crashes.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I just built a barton 2500+/NF7-S system a couple weeks back. My first venture into AMD severeal years ago was rife with tragedy, but this one has gone great _with the exception_ of the fact that I would recommend against Win2k as your OS. Quite frankly I could not get it to work. XP I'm sure would have worked (it has for everyone else I think), and I'm running windows 2003 (similar to XP, and it's gone without a hitch). Win2k must be possible to get running with my combo, but damned if I could do it or find anybody with a solution to my problems.

I've not overclocked the setup yet (need some free time first!), but in two weeks on Win2003 I've had zero problems and zero system errors/crashes.

At least I can use Win2K with my o/c'd P4 2.80c . . . at least I wasn't forced to UPgrade to XP by picking AMD - that's another$130. 😛








😀 (j/k'ing)

Come, on guys, brand loyalty is getting a little tiring, isn't it? both Intel and AMD make some pretty wonderful CPUs that all seem to fill a place in the consumer's hearts, don't they?

 

[mooojojojo]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
So, Mark. You say I can build an AMD rig, just as stable as my current one for a comparable price?

How would that go? I suppose an NForce2 mobo, Barton 2500+.
Do I have to change my memory? Currently it's a PQI DDR333 stick.
What about my power supply? It's a generic JNC brand 300W.

Should I expect any incompatibilities? I have a Gigabyte Radeon 9000pro + 2NICs.

Also - can you advise me on the order of installing things (OS / Drivers / DirectX or how?), which drivers are without issue and where to download them.

And if we get that far, do you promise me that if it doesn't workout you'll shave your butt and walk backwards down your street? 😉 J/K

OK, there are probably 100 threads to back this up, but an Abit NF7-S with a Barton 2500 should work fine with your memory and PSU (PSU is a ??? though if it is too weak)

Problems ? You would need to do a scratch install, I assume you are talking about XP for the OS ? It should all go exactly like you said, except do directx as part of the OS patches right after the OS and before the other drivers (except possibly nic drivers, needed to get the updates)

Ok, the ABit NF7-S here costs $110. The Barton 2500+ boxed is another $100. You say that my memory should be okay, but I didn't understand about the PSU.. I need a new one? One thing to know is that where I live there are no name brand PSUs. So what should I get? Just higher wattage?

Scratch install is an understatement, but I don't update windows - my internet connection is too slow to do this thing. How should I proceed then? OS - DirectX9 - Drivers. Speaking of drivers I've seen threads about problematic drivers with the NForce2 mobos, how do I know what to install and what not? What to install from the mobo CD (I hope it comes with one) and what to download off the net?

This would leave me with the Celeron and i845PE mobo which I think I can sell for ~$80. So we're speaking $130 if I don't change the PSU. Is the performace gain I'm going to get worth it? My main uses for the PC (well taxing uses anyway - I'm not counting browsing etc) are Photoshop and Illustartor and very little gaming.

Now I mentioned that I'm happy with the current rig but I do get the occasional slow-downs and there is room for improvement of PSD loading times.

What about stability - it will be atleast the same, right?

Thanks. 🙂

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
So, Mark. You say I can build an AMD rig, just as stable as my current one for a comparable price?

How would that go? I suppose an NForce2 mobo, Barton 2500+.
Do I have to change my memory? Currently it's a PQI DDR333 stick.
What about my power supply? It's a generic JNC brand 300W.

Should I expect any incompatibilities? I have a Gigabyte Radeon 9000pro + 2NICs.

Also - can you advise me on the order of installing things (OS / Drivers / DirectX or how?), which drivers are without issue and where to download them.

And if we get that far, do you promise me that if it doesn't workout you'll shave your butt and walk backwards down your street? 😉 J/K

OK, there are probably 100 threads to back this up, but an Abit NF7-S with a Barton 2500 should work fine with your memory and PSU (PSU is a ??? though if it is too weak)

Problems ? You would need to do a scratch install, I assume you are talking about XP for the OS ? It should all go exactly like you said, except do directx as part of the OS patches right after the OS and before the other drivers (except possibly nic drivers, needed to get the updates)

Ok, the ABit NF7-S here costs $110. The Barton 2500+ boxed is another $100. You say that my memory should be okay, but I didn't understand about the PSU.. I need a new one? One thing to know is that where I live there are no name brand PSUs. So what should I get? Just higher wattage?

Scratch install is an understatement, but I don't update windows - my internet connection is too slow to do this thing. How should I proceed then? OS - DirectX9 - Drivers. Speaking of drivers I've seen threads about problematic drivers with the NForce2 mobos, how do I know what to install and what not? What to install from the mobo CD (I hope it comes with one) and what to download off the net?

This would leave me with the Celeron and i845PE mobo which I think I can sell for ~$80. So we're speaking $130 if I don't change the PSU. Is the performace gain I'm going to get worth it? My main uses for the PC (well taxing uses anyway - I'm not counting browsing etc) are Photoshop and Illustartor and very little gaming.

Now I mentioned that I'm happy with the current rig but I do get the occasional slow-downs and there is room for improvement of PSD loading times.

What about stability - it will be atleast the same, right?

Thanks. 🙂

The AMD rig will be stable . . .

However, I (now) have a question - Why don't you take out your 2.0 Ghz Celeron and replace it with a P4 2.8 ($180-$80=$100) . .. your total expendature would be $100 and you can O/C that 2.80 to well over 3Ghz .. . . you'd get some SERIOUS performance close to an A643000+ that wouldn't even need an O/S reinstall. 😉

 

[Regs]

Anand.com and tomshardware both said it, AMD is the best bang for your buck on a budget. No Ifs -ands- or buts. Stability? Get a ASUS Nforce 2 or a Soltek KT400 with a 50 dollar XP 1800 and you got youself some rock hard stability.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Regs
Anand.com and tomshardware both said it, AMD is the best bang for your buck on a budget. No Ifs -ands- or buts. Stability? Get a ASUS Nforce 2 or a Soltek KT400 with a 50 dollar XP 1800 and you got youself some rock hard stability.

Nonsense . . . they ALWAYS qualify their statements regarding specific CPUs, unlike the fanboys.

Right now there is very little difference price vs perf in a 2.80C Intel System and an AMB 64 3000+ (assuming you O/C) . . .it comes down to your PREFERENCES and what apps you run. 😉

edit: And you are rating tom's opinion as highly as anand's???
(shock)

Why would he waste money on an XP1800 and new AMD MB? - he is looking for an UPgrade.

(he already has an O/C'd Celeron @2.66Ghz - he'd need an o/c'd 2500+ Barton to make a real difference)

 

[mooojojojo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: mooojojojo

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
So, Mark. You say I can build an AMD rig, just as stable as my current one for a comparable price?

How would that go? I suppose an NForce2 mobo, Barton 2500+.
Do I have to change my memory? Currently it's a PQI DDR333 stick.
What about my power supply? It's a generic JNC brand 300W.

Should I expect any incompatibilities? I have a Gigabyte Radeon 9000pro + 2NICs.

Also - can you advise me on the order of installing things (OS / Drivers / DirectX or how?), which drivers are without issue and where to download them.

And if we get that far, do you promise me that if it doesn't workout you'll shave your butt and walk backwards down your street? 😉 J/K

OK, there are probably 100 threads to back this up, but an Abit NF7-S with a Barton 2500 should work fine with your memory and PSU (PSU is a ??? though if it is too weak)

Problems ? You would need to do a scratch install, I assume you are talking about XP for the OS ? It should all go exactly like you said, except do directx as part of the OS patches right after the OS and before the other drivers (except possibly nic drivers, needed to get the updates)

Ok, the ABit NF7-S here costs $110. The Barton 2500+ boxed is another $100. You say that my memory should be okay, but I didn't understand about the PSU.. I need a new one? One thing to know is that where I live there are no name brand PSUs. So what should I get? Just higher wattage?

Scratch install is an understatement, but I don't update windows - my internet connection is too slow to do this thing. How should I proceed then? OS - DirectX9 - Drivers. Speaking of drivers I've seen threads about problematic drivers with the NForce2 mobos, how do I know what to install and what not? What to install from the mobo CD (I hope it comes with one) and what to download off the net?

This would leave me with the Celeron and i845PE mobo which I think I can sell for ~$80. So we're speaking $130 if I don't change the PSU. Is the performace gain I'm going to get worth it? My main uses for the PC (well taxing uses anyway - I'm not counting browsing etc) are Photoshop and Illustartor and very little gaming.

Now I mentioned that I'm happy with the current rig but I do get the occasional slow-downs and there is room for improvement of PSD loading times.

What about stability - it will be atleast the same, right?

Thanks. 🙂

The AMD rig will be stable . . .

However, I (now) have a question - Why don't you take out your 2.0 Ghz Celeron and replace it with a P4 2.8 ($180-$80=$100) . .. your total expendature would be $100 and you can O/C that 2.80 to well over 3Ghz .. . . you'd get some SERIOUS performance close to an A643000+ that wouldn't even need an O/S reinstall. 😉

Well if it was that easy 😉. My mobo is an Intel 845 - max FSB - 533. So in order to fit the P4C I would have to get a 865 mobo ($86 for a no-extras Gigabyte) and the P4C ($200 - that's how much it is here). So I think I'm pretty much stuck 🙂.

Edit - oh well. Almost forgot. For the 800FSB P4 I think I'd have to get DDR400 memory as well 😉.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: mooojojojo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: mooojojojo

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: mooojojojo
So, Mark. You say I can build an AMD rig, just as stable as my current one for a comparable price?

How would that go? I suppose an NForce2 mobo, Barton 2500+.
Do I have to change my memory? Currently it's a PQI DDR333 stick.
What about my power supply? It's a generic JNC brand 300W.

Should I expect any incompatibilities? I have a Gigabyte Radeon 9000pro + 2NICs.

Also - can you advise me on the order of installing things (OS / Drivers / DirectX or how?), which drivers are without issue and where to download them.

And if we get that far, do you promise me that if it doesn't workout you'll shave your butt and walk backwards down your street? 😉 J/K

OK, there are probably 100 threads to back this up, but an Abit NF7-S with a Barton 2500 should work fine with your memory and PSU (PSU is a ??? though if it is too weak)

Problems ? You would need to do a scratch install, I assume you are talking about XP for the OS ? It should all go exactly like you said, except do directx as part of the OS patches right after the OS and before the other drivers (except possibly nic drivers, needed to get the updates)

Ok, the ABit NF7-S here costs $110. The Barton 2500+ boxed is another $100. You say that my memory should be okay, but I didn't understand about the PSU.. I need a new one? One thing to know is that where I live there are no name brand PSUs. So what should I get? Just higher wattage?

Scratch install is an understatement, but I don't update windows - my internet connection is too slow to do this thing. How should I proceed then? OS - DirectX9 - Drivers. Speaking of drivers I've seen threads about problematic drivers with the NForce2 mobos, how do I know what to install and what not? What to install from the mobo CD (I hope it comes with one) and what to download off the net?

This would leave me with the Celeron and i845PE mobo which I think I can sell for ~$80. So we're speaking $130 if I don't change the PSU. Is the performace gain I'm going to get worth it? My main uses for the PC (well taxing uses anyway - I'm not counting browsing etc) are Photoshop and Illustartor and very little gaming.

Now I mentioned that I'm happy with the current rig but I do get the occasional slow-downs and there is room for improvement of PSD loading times.

What about stability - it will be atleast the same, right?

Thanks. 🙂

The AMD rig will be stable . . .

However, I (now) have a question - Why don't you take out your 2.0 Ghz Celeron and replace it with a P4 2.8 ($180-$80=$100) . .. your total expendature would be $100 and you can O/C that 2.80 to well over 3Ghz .. . . you'd get some SERIOUS performance close to an A643000+ that wouldn't even need an O/S reinstall. 😉

Well if it was that easy 😉. My mobo is an Intel 845 - max FSB - 533. So in order to fit the P4C I would have to get a 865 mobo ($86 for a no-extras Gigabyte) and the P4C ($200 - that's how much it is here). So I think I'm pretty much stuck 🙂.

What about the P4 2.80B (533FSB)? It's even cheaper than the 280C (800FSB).

This looks to me to be the easiest, cheapest (and most reasonable) upgrade for an already Intel system (just R&R the CPU) . . . am I missing something?

EDIT: AND you get to keep your old RAM with the 533FSB P4 280B. (right!?)