Originally posted by: OddTSi
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Sorry but the CDR-Info test is misleading also.
"We used 27 stand alone DVD players (of which 2 were also used as recorders) and 20 DVD-ROM PC readers (of which 3 were also used as recorders). Among those 20 DVD-ROM readers, there were also a few recorders, which were used solely as readers in our tests. These where all those drives available to us through the European market and we have been gathering them for over a year now. "
Which means they weren't using US versions of the drives and were burning media in PAL and different regions than USA?
Yes, they used European DVD players that are made for reading video in PAL format and they burned the video in the corresponding PAL format. PAL just uses a different aspect ratio and FPS than NTSC. The format they burned the movies in was completely compatible with the format of the DVD players. If this was done in the US, the DVD players would be in NTSC, and so would the video. Again, the movie would be compatible with the format of the DVD player, hence the outcome would NOT be any different.
The outcome would be different if they used NTSC DVD players with PAL video, or vice versa (or chose some other incompatible format). But they didn't do that, they chose a video format that was compatible with the firmware on the DVD player, so that eliminates the possibility of the video being incompatible with the player. Again, the results wouldn't be any different in the US if they used a video format that was compatible with the players.
You're just fishing now.
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
There are probably more problems with the test, as it is NOT scientific and prone to human error.
Take it with a grain of salt, but even their findings show a 9% difference. Hardly a reason to select -R over +R and vice versa.
How is it not scientific and prone to human error? Because you're a +R fanboy and it makes +R look 9% as bad?
I didn't post this to promote DVD-R or to promote +R. I don't see why you feel the need to defend +R and sit here and make unsubstantiated claims that I misrepresented the data that is given in the article.
The WHOLE POINT to making this post was so that when people ask "Which is more compatible" there is a SCIENTIFIC (just because you don't like the results doesn't make it unscientific) test in the archives that they can search and find. End of story. Please stop trying to crap on the thread by bringing your fanboy arguements here. This was posted in an objective manner and was posted simply to inform.
Wow there are now fanboys for different types of DVD media
😀 That's hilarious.
I'm not thread crapping nor am I a fanboy just because I don't go along with your little article and bow down to everything you say. I have a different opinion on this "scientific article". This is an open forum to discuss. You can sit around and belittle me all you want, but it wont make your views any more important that mine or anyone else?s. I didn't personally attack you; I'm not sure why you feel the need to do it to me.
The research they provided has no US models or NTSC Set-Tops in the whole test! There is going to be a difference in the chipset and decoding chip (NTSC vs. PAL) and you can not prove 100% that will not allow for a +/- difference in the test because it's an UNKNOWN.
It is not an independent lab who has professionals running this test. This is a website run by people who are prone to error. Can you beyond prove that these people created every disc the same and used the same machines and burning processes? Did they use the exact same setup every time? There are variables which they haven't even listed that could provide all sorts of problems.
Also they only sample 26 DVD players. The problem here is they are sampling certain models that could read one media better than the other. I have 3 units in my house that read -R and +R all the same. A Sony, a DENON, and a Panasonic. They didn't even test a single Denon model!! How can you say scientifically that with 26 units out of a totally of thousands on a market that those percentages are right? I mean a 9% swing is nothing. The overall percentage is 5% and most scientific research results always have a +/- ratio because nothing is certain.
Then we have the media. They only tested Maxell, Pioneer?, and Verbatim. No Memorex, No Sony, No TDK.
How scientific can it be with so many variables that could definately change the outcome.
You just come in here acting like this is the end all of test that proves something. The problem is it could be as flawed as every test.
<<Why else would you do standalone DVD player compatibility test other than for movies? I'd like to see how you expect to open data on a standalone DVD player.>>
Ok well to answer your question. When I first started burning movies I had to learn to do it properly. I still now and then use them to test different movies and changes I'm making. These best and easiest way is to use a RW disc to so you aren't wasting the expensive media all the time. It's great for test disc and all my players read them. Addictionally people might load tons of MP3's on an RW disc that they could burn over and over and change music. Not to mention picture disc and things of those nature? I've never done it, but people might. But in my use, RW disc are very handy to test footage without wasting R disc.
You seemingly appear to be totally against DVD+R instead of just giving the facts..... You're all about proving "fanboy's" wrong and saying they give out false info.
In my experience (probably 7 different players) no one has ever had trouble reading an R and RW disc I've produced. Even one of my friends "shinsonic?" $50 player from Best Buy reads all my disc. So as far as I can see, the difference is so close it's not worth trying to prove someone wrong about.
Also Microsoft and Dell have backed +R/RW. That right there will probably win the battle. Media needs to come down, but other than that it seems like the way to go.
