CDC Considers Promoting 'Universal Circumcision' For All Males Born in US

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
If you wanted your hair cut, you could cut off your head and you would never have to do it again.

True, but not rightly relevant to the discussion at hand.

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Male circumcision is no big deal from a surgical perspective. If you think female circumcision is equivalent then you don't know anatomy.

From what know of anatomy; both the foreskin and the clitoris have extremely high concentrations of nerve endings, making the removal of either exceedingly painful, and resulting in significantly reducing the physical sensation of pleasure derived from intercourse. What differences are you alluding to?

 

[MovingTarget]

Promote, not require. Words are fun, huh?

 

[Bitek]

Kosher franks are the best.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
is this the new attack on uhc? The government wants to cut your penis off!!

OFF WITH YOUR HEADS, CRACKERS!!!

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Harvey
The only pay practitioners will get is the tips. :shocked: :laugh:

Boom-tsk.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
If you wanted your hair cut, you could cut off your head and you would never have to do it again.

True, but not rightly relevant to the discussion at hand.

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Male circumcision is no big deal from a surgical perspective. If you think female circumcision is equivalent then you don't know anatomy.

From what know of anatomy; both the foreskin and the clitoris have extremely high concentrations of nerve endings, making the removal of either exceedingly painful, and resulting in significantly reducing the physical sensation of pleasure derived from intercourse. What differences are you alluding to?

Well I don't have a clitoris, but I did have a circumcision. I've done just fine, thanks.

The foreskin is not the anatomical equivalent to a clitoris. That would be the penis. Now if you think the foreskin is the penis I can't do much for you. A female "circumcision" is more like having your penis sliced off at the base.

I can tell you from personal experience they aren't equivalent.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: Nik
How in the fucking world does circumcision prevent the spread of STDs and other diseases?

Warm moist environment that can keep germs alive and some people don't wash under the foreskin well enough.

Yes, because washing under your foreskin totally makes you safe from HIV and AIDS.

You, sir, are an amazing biological expert. Do you, by chance, have a newsletter to which I may subscribe?

Actually, I think it has a great deal to do with the sensitivity of the glans. The absence of the foreskin toughens up the surface, so transmission is less likely during intercourse.

There was a very significant study about this, which was conducted in Africa a couple of years ago. Circumcised subjects had a much lower HIV infection rate than their hooded counterparts.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
When my son was born in 2002 neither myself nor my wife was even asked if we wanted our son circumsized. It was just done with a little plastic clip. The foreskin fell off a few days later. Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal about this being "promoted". Personally I know of no one who is not circumsized, maybe this is common with the nortwest.

Circumcision significantly reduces sensitivity and therefore sexual pleasure; it makes hygiene easier and reported recudes the likelihood of AIDS transmission.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Promote, not require. Words are fun, huh?

Well obama has a habit of putting people with radical agendas in various czarships, heads of agencies, and advisors. Kind of like the new headof the FCC that feels commerical radio should raise its advertising fees to generate more revenue for opposing viewpoints to be aired. Or obamas healthcare advisor who says that the bulk of governmenthealthcare money should be spent on people who are 15-40 years old, etc etc etc and etcetera.

 

[nageov3t]

the root problem I see is that the study was specifically only looking at male <-> female transmission, which is prevelant in Africa, but in the US, the vast majority of HIV transmission comes from male <-> male sexual contact which the study didn't address.

 

[Unmoosical]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
When my son was born in 2002 neither myself nor my wife was even asked if we wanted our son circumsized. It was just done with a little plastic clip. The foreskin fell off a few days later. Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal about this being "promoted". Personally I know of no one who is not circumsized, maybe this is common with the nortwest.

Circumcision significantly reduces sensitivity and therefore sexual pleasure; it makes hygiene easier and reported recudes the likelihood of AIDS transmission.

Significantly as in statistically or do you mean a lot?

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: Nik
How in the fucking world does circumcision prevent the spread of STDs and other diseases?

Warm moist environment that can keep germs alive and some people don't wash under the foreskin well enough.

Yes, because washing under your foreskin totally makes you safe from HIV and AIDS.

You, sir, are an amazing biological expert. Do you, by chance, have a newsletter to which I may subscribe?

Actually, I think it has a great deal to do with the sensitivity of the glans. The absence of the foreskin toughens up the surface, so transmission is less likely during intercourse.

There was a very significant study about this, which was conducted in Africa a couple of years ago. Circumcised subjects had a much lower HIV infection rate than their hooded counterparts.

Gee I wonder how much of it has to do with the pain involved and being told not do stuff with your dick for about a month or so. I'm sure there were some who would endure the pain just for sex.

 

[Tequila]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Not all heathcare, but calling circumcision "heathcare" is dubious at best. If preventing the spread of STDs is the goal, why stop at the foreskin?

Why stop there? New government program to stop the spread of STD, AIDS and prevent population explosion: Greenbacks for Genitals!

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Unmoosical

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
When my son was born in 2002 neither myself nor my wife was even asked if we wanted our son circumsized. It was just done with a little plastic clip. The foreskin fell off a few days later. Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal about this being "promoted". Personally I know of no one who is not circumsized, maybe this is common with the nortwest.

Circumcision significantly reduces sensitivity and therefore sexual pleasure; it makes hygiene easier and reported recudes the likelihood of AIDS transmission.

Significantly as in statistically or do you mean a lot?

I mean a lot.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Unmoosical

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
When my son was born in 2002 neither myself nor my wife was even asked if we wanted our son circumsized. It was just done with a little plastic clip. The foreskin fell off a few days later. Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal about this being "promoted". Personally I know of no one who is not circumsized, maybe this is common with the nortwest.

Circumcision significantly reduces sensitivity and therefore sexual pleasure; it makes hygiene easier and reported recudes the likelihood of AIDS transmission.

Significantly as in statistically or do you mean a lot?

nvm

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Well I don't have a clitoris, but I did have a circumcision. I've done just fine, thanks.

Sure, and if decided you'd like to cut off your toes to avoid athlete's foot, or for whatever reason, I have no problem with you choosing to do that either. However, I do have a problem inflicting such mutilation on others, be it by the choice of the parents or otherwise.

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
The foreskin is not the anatomical equivalent to a clitoris. That would be the penis. Now if you think the foreskin is the penis I can't do much for you. A female "circumcision" is more like having your penis sliced off at the base.

Rather, the clitoris is equivalent to the head of a penis, with the clitoral hood being being equivalent to the foreskin. Again, I have no problem with people choosing for themselves to have either cut off, but I strongly disagree with allowing anyone to make such a decision for someone else.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

It's amazing that people are shocked at female genital mutilation, but routine male genital mutilation is readily accepted. Why? Because males have little value to Americans as human beings and perhaps to people around the world in general. Or, as men's movement writer Warren Farrell seems to have described the situation, men are the disposable sex. If anything, what we need is a law forbidding involuntary circumcision, allowing men to make their own decisions starting at the official age of adulthood, age 18.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
When my son was born in 2002 neither myself nor my wife was even asked if we wanted our son circumsized. It was just done with a little plastic clip. The foreskin fell off a few days later. Not sure why everyone is making such a big deal about this being "promoted". Personally I know of no one who is not circumsized, maybe this is common with the nortwest.

You should sue the hospital for battery. Did you give the hospital permission to do this? In fact, it may be possible that your son will be able to do this when he is older since, at least I think, the statute of limitations for torts against minors does not begin to tick away until they reach age 18 in some states.

 

[Capt Caveman]

When did promoting become required?

 

[NeoV]

jesus F' Christ people

hospitals promote this already

another non-story by people desperate to stir up anything they can get their ignorant hands on

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I found some more information at Intact America.

As with any surgery, surgically removing part of a baby boy's healthy genitals causes pain, creates immediate health risks and can lead to serious complications. Risks include infection, hemorrhage, scarring, difficulty urinating, loss of part or all of the penis, and even death. More than 100 circumcision-related deaths are estimated to occur every year in the United States, but the number may be even higher. Circumcision complications can and do occur in even the best clinical settings.

That and more information is available at that page.

 

[IGBT]

well, there you go. cash for fore skin program. the cash will show up as some kind of tax credit.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I just put up a poll in ATOT asking men who were circumcised after they lost their virginity whether it was better before or after.

Sex better before or after circumcision?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: NeoV
jesus F' Christ people

hospitals promote this already

another non-story by people desperate to stir up anything they can get their ignorant hands on

The New York Times?

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx
That is one fo the most ridiculous things I have ever read.

You find it ridiculous that an agency uses vast amounts of data to come to the conclusion that the decreased transmission of HIV outweighs the miniscule risks of a safe, simple surgical procedure?

Re: "yeah, but condoms." Wake-up. The world isn't the perfect little world you envision, nor will it be. This is a very simple measure to decrease the spread of HIV. And, that doesn't mean it's the only measure taken. It does not rule out sex education, etc.