AViking
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Idiots shouldn't own guns. Especially concealed carry. If he's convicted of a felony associated with the gun I'm completely cool with him losing his 2nd amendment rights.
Idiots shouldn't own guns. Especially concealed carry. If he's convicted of a felony associated with the gun I'm completely cool with him losing his 2nd amendment rights.
I find this punishment easier to swallow, especially since CCW is a privilege a la driving.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
I agree with this as a punishment. Throw in a little community service, maybe speaking at CCW classes (ie explaining how important it is to secure the weapon in your car prior to entering/when in a school zone).
how does this make him an idiot again?
this should be a non-issue, the school employee and or cop should have just sternly reminded him to make sure he leaves it in the car the first time next time
there was obviously no intent of malice.
bshole is even better as hes lauding peoples use of marijuana in another thread, guess he would start a movement to toss kevin smith in jail for all his purchases and uses of illegal substance
the law is the law after all
that depends on the state, SHALL ISSUE states feel its an inherent right as part of the 2A.
If I were the OP, I would go for a jury trial and hope for nullification if the DA gets shitty about it
MomentsofSanity
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How are you certain there was no intent? How do you know for sure that he didn't just think fuck it I'm bringing my gun and panicked when he saw he was going to be busted by the detectors?
Sure it's possible that waht you say is the case but it's assumption,
TreVader
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What kind of idiot wanders around with a loaded and chambered glock and forgets about it? This guy is an idiot and I'm glad he's being prosecuted.
For all the people who claim to know so much about guns here it should be noted that a Glock is probably one of the least safe guns to stick in your waist band. Many people have literally shot their own dicks off due to the lack of an active safety.
It's too bad he didn't just shoot his own dick off long before he had a kid, then he would've never had to walk into the school in the first place. Making him a felon is a compromise.
For all the people who claim to know so much about guns here it should be noted that a Glock is probably one of the least safe guns to stick in your waist band. Many people have literally shot their own dicks off due to the lack of an active safety.
It's too bad he didn't just shoot his own dick off long before he had a kid, then he would've never had to walk into the school in the first place. Making him a felon is a compromise.
Should David Gregory be in jail right now?
I'm still waiting for one of you liberal crusaders to have a bit of backbone and actually debate this instead of doing these inane McOwned drive-by posts.
Jaskalas
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weird, I own a glock and still have my dick attached properly
if the gun goes off when you didn't intend it to, that's on YOU unless there is a proven defect in the firearm. You are the active safety of every firearm you touch
have you ever touched a revolver??
this.
how? how else do you carry? whats the point of the weapon if its not actually ready to fire?
guns(generally) don't spontaneously discharge for no good reason.
Its hilariously sad watching people wonder how you forget you are wearing a gun. have you ever had to check to make sure you remembered your wallet? how? how could you ever not tell it was there?
same with the sunglasses on the head thing, just because its a firearm doesn't mean your body wont get used to wearing it, the whole idea is to get a carry setup that feels like its not even there. its called comfort
I have a holster that is confortable enough that after 10 minutes or so I cant really tell its there. that's why I bought it....
sure he could have. no evidence to support that, and going on the word of the school employee that backs his statement.....but ya know, why don't you just toss him up on a hill on a cross to make an example out of him, who needs evidence
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No.
Find one example, anywhere, of professional advice being to chamber a self-defense firearm before use.
This wouldn't apply to a Glock, but some hammer-fired guns like Berettas, 1911s, and BHPs can fire on chambering due to a worn sear (hammer follow).
No. Not at all. My carry is a compact .45 with both a trigger and backstrap safety. It rides in a holster that guards the trigger well. Pull it out ready to shoot...no manual safety to deal with.
My prior daily carry was a .38 revolver with no safety. How do you walk around with one not in the chamber with a revolver is beyond me.
Do we know he simply had it in his waistband? if so, that that is stupid. Having one chambered and properly holstered is not.
Nebor
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I'm with you on the pointlessness of carrying an unloaded gun.
But I'd wager I have a lot more experience carrying a firearm than you (CCW since Texas debuted it, deployed to combat multiple times in the Army, been a Texas peace officer for a few years now,) and I never forget that I'm carrying a weapon. If you're situationally aware, and constantly scanning your surroundings, I don't see how you could forget the fact that your armed while you're reasoning through your assessments of everything you see and hear. But maybe it's just the junky Milt Sparks holsters I've been using? Can you recommend something better?
I will admit to several weeks of discomfort\confusion each time after redeploying from Afghanistan. Having worked constantly, day in and day out with Afghan military & police, I always had my pistol on me, and tended to rest my arm\hand on it frequently (a big no-no in the police academy, btw.) So coming back to garrison and stepping out of my office I'd sweep my arm down, find nothing and momentarily panic that my pistol was missing. Though recent events make me think more and more that senior NCOs and officers ought to be carrying pistols in garrison anyway...
Nebor
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IWB carried at 4-5 o'clock. I own Galco, Desantis, Tucker, Don Hume & Bianchi holsters, off the top of my head. So far Milt Sparks has been my favorite, but I'm willing to spend more to get out of the bargain bin.
You would hope common sense would have prevailed here. Hopefully a judge gives him a good scolding and decent but not hefty fine as a reminder.
feralkid
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justoh
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Nebor
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Glock 33, H&K USP Compact, Sig P239 SAS, and a Sig P229 SAS are my usual carry guns.
halik
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This has very little to do with CCW:
The complaint indicates the firearm was previously reported stolen.
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so you've never forgot you were carrying, but you forgot you WEREN'T
:hmm:
not sure that proves any point
if any it helps mine...you are so comfortable you didn't notice it wasn't there......and you brain assumed it was
tho you have millions of times more experience carrying, no question
You have an incorrect understand of strict liability laws, friend.
They work specifically because of mens rea.
Guy goes in and robs a bank. Guard shoots at the robber and hits the teller instead. Robber is guilty of felony murder, derived from his mens rea over the robbery. He clearly didn't intend murder.
Del Fatti is the nicest holster I've ever owned and he does make it for the Glock 33 although it appears he's not currently taking Glock orders?
shortylickens
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I am of the opinion that carrying a gun means you need to keep higher standards of personal accountability.
Not lower.
Not lower.
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