CCSU Op-Ed: "Rape Only Hurts If You Fight It"

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Amused

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A few people are about to very quickly learn that the constitutional right to free speech does NOT exclude you from social backlash and consequences.

What an idiot. The government may not punish you for your words, but society has every right to make you accountable for them.


 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Amused



A few people are about to very quickly learn that the constitutional right to free speech does NOT exclude you from social backlash and consequences.

What an idiot. The government may not punish you for your words, but society has every right to make you accountable for them.

There's nothing to be accountable for. What are they going to say? "we didn't like what you said"?

All he has to do is say sorry (regardless if he means it or not) and the uproar will die down.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused



A few people are about to very quickly learn that the constitutional right to free speech does NOT exclude you from social backlash and consequences.

What an idiot. The government may not punish you for your words, but society has every right to make you accountable for them.

There's nothing to be accountable for. What are they going to say? "we didn't like what you said"?

All he has to do is say sorry (regardless if he means it or not) and the uproar will die down.

The paper will drop it's editor to appease the insulted and the writer will suffer from this for many years to come, both professionally and personally.

If you piss off/insult enough people, your life will suffer for it. Free speech is NOT without consequences. Never was, never will be.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Amused


The paper will drop it's editor to appease the insulted and the writer will suffer from this for many years to come, both professionally and personally.

If you piss off/insult enough people, your life will suffer for it. Free speech is NOT without consequences. Never was, never will be.


I think the problem is that so many special interest groups are sprouting up that you're almost guaranteed to offend somebody. Hell, even my dinner offends many people due to the fact that it contains meat. Is it wrong for me to tell those people to shut the hell up and pick out their own dinner? I honestly don't care what many of these advocacy groups are saying.

I understand that one's actions may offend people, I just don't care what the activists have to say.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused


The paper will drop it's editor to appease the insulted and the writer will suffer from this for many years to come, both professionally and personally.

If you piss off/insult enough people, your life will suffer for it. Free speech is NOT without consequences. Never was, never will be.


I think the problem is that so many special interest groups are sprouting up that you're almost guaranteed to offend somebody. Hell, even my dinner offends many people due to the fact that it contains meat. Is it wrong for me to tell those people to shut the hell up and pick out their own dinner? I honestly don't care what many of these advocacy groups are saying.

I understand that one's actions may offend people, I just don't care what the activists have to say.

This goes WAY beyond political correctness and activists. He just insulted every woman who has ever been raped. Go find any woman you know that has been raped and see how they react to this article.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: NFS4

Petroski goes on to say that rape is a magical experience that benefits society as a whole. He says, "Take ugly women, for example. If it weren't for rape, how would they ever know the joy of intercourse with a man who isn't drunk?"

Are ugly women proportionally more likely to be raped than attractive ones?

Moral issues aside, he already fails on logic...

it is very controversial research, but at least one researcher claims to find evidence that attractive women (specifically, women in the prime of their reproductive years) are raped more often than unattractive women (unattractive defined as very young, old, or lacking overt characteristics indicating fertility, i.e., feminine hip-waist ratios).
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Amused

This goes WAY beyond political correctness and activists. He just insulted every woman who has ever been raped. Go find any woman you know that has been raped and see how they react to this article.

I don't expect them to like it. Then again, I did not write the article. People need to stop their whining. They cannot control what others say. Many people will hear things which they don't like. They need to understand that they're just words coming from someone's mouth and either deal with it or at least get over it.

 

Amused

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused

This goes WAY beyond political correctness and activists. He just insulted every woman who has ever been raped. Go find any woman you know that has been raped and see how they react to this article.

I don't expect them to like it. Then again, I did not write the article. People need to stop their whining. They cannot control what others say. Many people will hear things which they don't like. They need to deal with it or at least get over it.

You can wish people would do that all day long. It wont make it come true.

The fact is, your speech has social consequences... as the people involved in this story are going to find out.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused

This goes WAY beyond political correctness and activists. He just insulted every woman who has ever been raped. Go find any woman you know that has been raped and see how they react to this article.

I don't expect them to like it. Then again, I did not write the article. People need to stop their whining. They cannot control what others say. Many people will hear things which they don't like. They need to understand that they're just words coming from someone's mouth and either deal with it or at least get over it.

Tell that to a rape victim.
 

NanoStuff

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The man's got balls the size of grapefruits to put out something like that. I suppose we can each try it once just for the sake of testing the theory.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: NanoStuff
The man's got balls the size of grapefruits to put out something like that. I suppose we can each try it once just for the sake of testing the theory.

Rape?:confused:
 

EKKC

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if this is not a satire, the author should get raped himself/herself before writing the piece.
 

buyvalve

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But if there is one bread and butter reason for why rape should not only be accepted, but even endorsed, it is because our news editors are in dire need of interesting stories for our front page. Bookstore stories? Fossils? One dollar coins? Please. Now, some saucy circle-jerk rape action? Yeah, that?s the ticket.

Errr, how can you take this seriously with something like that? :confused:

I suppose he could have written it to be a bit more obvious earlier in the piece... I was raising my eyebrow a bit there.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused

This goes WAY beyond political correctness and activists. He just insulted every woman who has ever been raped. Go find any woman you know that has been raped and see how they react to this article.

I don't expect them to like it. Then again, I did not write the article. People need to stop their whining. They cannot control what others say. Many people will hear things which they don't like. They need to understand that they're just words coming from someone's mouth and either deal with it or at least get over it.

Tell that to a rape victim.

???

That's what Amused just said. I replied to him, then you said the same thing he did.

I guess I'll just copy and paste my previous post:

"I don't expect them to like it. Then again, I did not write the article. People need to stop their whining. They cannot control what others say. Many people will hear things which they don't like. They need to understand that they're just words coming from someone's mouth and either deal with it or at least get over it."

Just because someone has been raped doesn't take away another person's right to say stupid stuff like what the author of the article wrote. You're thinking emotionally, not logically. I wouldn't have written an article like the idiotic author did, he just had to know that it would offend people and bring negative publicity. It was stupid, but he wrote it anyway. And he's allowed to say it... there's nothing you can do about it.
 

mynamewastaken

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They need to understand that they're just words coming from someone's mouth and either deal with it or at least get over it.

As far as dealing with it..what happens when they find this dude in his dorm room no longer breathing?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: mynamewastaken
They need to understand that they're just words coming from someone's mouth and either deal with it or at least get over it.

As far as dealing with it..what happens when they find this dude in his dorm room no longer breathing?

then they should find whoever did it and arrest them.


while what he said is disgutsting it is not worth killing him.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: mynamewastaken
They need to understand that they're just words coming from someone's mouth and either deal with it or at least get over it.

As far as dealing with it..what happens when they find this dude in his dorm room no longer breathing?

That would be a separate criminal case.

The author is stupid for writing something that he knows would offend people. But then again, if A Modest Proposal was written nowadays, people would be up in arms, too.

The fact is that people are legally allowed to say things which offend other people, and that doesn't make it legal for someone to attack that person.

 

thawolfman

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Wow, my mail account still works... President's Response:

It goes without saying that John Petroski, the Opinion Editor of The Recorder, has the freedom of speech to offer his opinions--satirical, or not. Many times in the past I have been called upon to defend First Amendment principles. But what Mr. Petroski wrote in the February 7 issue of ?The Recorder" deserves to be roundly condemned as deeply offensive and hurtful. It is a clear violation of responsible journalism and the community standards of this institution, where it is inarguable that rape is not a fit topic for humor or satire, particularly in a campus newspaper largely supported by student fees and intended for the readership of the CCSU community. Rape is a profound violation of body and spirit, and to make light of this, even in satire, is abhorrent.

A free press is a fundamental right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and the courts have continuously upheld the freedom of college newspapers to publish articles without censorship by faculty advisors. I believe that student-run newspapers offer an extraordinary journalistic laboratory and provide an important educational opportunity for students, and I enjoin the faculty and administrators who are working with our student editors to convey the seriousness of this matter and the poor judgment that was exercised in their decision to print such a tasteless and offensive article. We will in the near future gather a group composed of students and faculty to examine the editorial process and to take positive steps to educate students about the damage such blatantly misogynistic and homophobic content causes. While we always want to protect journalistic integrity and First Amendment principles, we need to be sure that students understand that such hateful speech is not protected and simply is not worthy, on any ground, of publication.

Dr. Jack Miller,

President
 

FrancesBeansRevenge

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It's obvious satire but the writer has far too much faith in the ability of the average reader to recognise it as such. To publish this piece at all could be career suicide but if he was trying to prove a point he should have at least included a footnote explaining himself.

Poor taste. He could have made the same point without turning his editor's life into a nightmare of answering angry phonecalls and emails.