cBS poll the left is trying to tout

[ShadesOfGrey]

cBS link to their "story"

They make a lot of claims about why and what it means but it seems they have a little something to hide.

PDF of cBS poll

Take a look at the end of the pdf. Not only was their sample off from the start, they weighted the poll results to skew them even more!

Unweighted Total Respondents: 936
Republicans = 259 (27.67%)
Democrats = 326 (34.83%)
Independents = 351 (37.5%)

Weighted Total Respondents: 937
Republicans: 223 (23.80%)
Democrats: 326 (34.79%)
Independents: 388 (41.4%)

lowering the Republican sample from an already low 28%? As John Stossel says - Give me a break!


Talk about fabricating a story or guiding things towards the outcome you want to report or make a story about! I could care less what Bush's real poll ratings are but the fact that the media thinks they can get away with this sort of twisting of reality is outrageous.

 

[EatSpam]

So his approval ratings are 35% or 40%... still piss poor. You'd think with the way you guys worship Bush, his approval ratings could at least exceed 50%.

 

[Moonbeam]

Does a skunk stink real bad or does it just smell putrid?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Does a skunk stink real bad or does it just smell putrid?

If that skunk stinks real bad and no one is there to smell it, does the skunk still stink?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Does a skunk stink real bad or does it just smell putrid?

No, no, it smells rancid!

 

[homercles337]

Like all you idiot repugs, youre assuming that EVERYONE votes along party lines. Get a grip. Who were you before you were banned Shades? Additionally, i would bet that they already corrected for this bias, if not then EatSpam has the correct perspective.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: homercles337
Like all you idiot repugs, youre assuming that EVERYONE votes along party lines. Get a grip. Who were you before you were banned Shades? Additionally, i would bet that they already corrected for this bias, if not then EatSpam has the correct perspective.

Um, look at the percentages, "idiot". There is NO WAY that cBS should have weighted it that way, infact they should have increased the Republican sample due to abnormally low initial sample.

People claim that I am some NoSmirk guy but that's been discussed with the Moderators and is entirely untrue. This is the only acct I post under. Sorry to disappoint though.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

:roll:

So what's your point, that President Bush's approval rating is merely awful, as opposed to record-setting in its dreadfulness? Even the Gallup poll, run by a conservative evangelical Christian, shows that President Bush is extremely unpopular.

 

[Pabster]

What do you expect for CBS?

 

[yankeesfan]

Originally posted by: homercles337
Like all you idiot repugs, youre assuming that EVERYONE votes along party lines. Get a grip. Who were you before you were banned Shades? Additionally, i would bet that they already corrected for this bias, if not then EatSpam has the correct perspective.

1) Prove the correction. (it doesn't seem to matter to you anyway, so I doubt you'll take me up on the offer).

2) 2004 CNN election exit polls: Democrat - 11% Bush, 89% Kerry
Republican- 93% Bush, 6% Kerry.

I believe that people generally vote along party lines.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: homercles337
Like all you idiot repugs, youre assuming that EVERYONE votes along party lines. Get a grip. Who were you before you were banned Shades? Additionally, i would bet that they already corrected for this bias, if not then EatSpam has the correct perspective.

Um, look at the percentages, "idiot". There is NO WAY that cBS should have weighted it that way, infact they should have increased the Republican sample due to abnormally low initial sample.

People claim that I am some NoSmirk guy but that's been discussed with the Moderators and is entirely untrue. This is the only acct I post under. Sorry to disappoint though.

No disappointment (i already know that youre lying given your post cout, blind partisan perspectives, and short menber time). Just tell me how you would have weighted the results. Better sooner than later, so i can explain what "statistics" means--since you have no clue.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

None other than Fox News reports Bush is at the lowest approval ratings of his presidency.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: DonVito
:roll:

So what's your point, that President Bush's approval rating is merely awful, as opposed to record-setting in its dreadfulness? Even the Gallup poll, run by a conservative evangelical Christian[/u], shows that President Bush is extremely unpopular.

Really? That's interesting...

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: DonVito
:roll:

So what's your point, that President Bush's approval rating is merely awful, as opposed to record-setting in its dreadfulness? Even the Gallup poll, run by a conservative evangelical Christian, shows that President Bush is extremely unpopular.

You seem to have a problem with reading. Here, I'll pull out the relevant parts of my posts for you.

"I could care less what Bush's real poll ratings are but the fact that the media thinks they can get away with this sort of twisting of reality is outrageous."

So in really small words: It does not matter what the poll numbers are. This is about the media making a story and skewing reality in attempt to get the results and story they want.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: yankeesfan

Originally posted by: homercles337
Like all you idiot repugs, youre assuming that EVERYONE votes along party lines. Get a grip. Who were you before you were banned Shades? Additionally, i would bet that they already corrected for this bias, if not then EatSpam has the correct perspective.

1) Prove the correction. (it doesn't seem to matter to you anyway, so I doubt you'll take me up on the offer).

2) 2004 CNN election exit polls: Democrat - 11% Bush, 89% Kerry
Republican- 93% Bush, 6% Kerry.

I believe that people generally vote along party lines.

I said, i would bet that they corrected, if not theyre in error. Its up to you to prove that they didnt correct for party affiliation. These things are NOT scientific, i doubt you--or anyone--has the data to apply the appropriate correction, but there are corrections one can apply. And, trust me they are statistically valid. Do you want to work through the math?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
cBS link to their "story"

They make a lot of claims about why and what it means but it seems they have a little something to hide.

PDF of cBS poll

Take a look at the end of the pdf. Not only was their sample off from the start, they weighted the poll results to skew them even more!

Unweighted Total Respondents: 936
Republicans = 259 (27.67%)
Democrats = 326 (34.83%)
Independents = 351 (37.5%)

Weighted Total Respondents: 937
Republicans: 223 (23.80%)
Democrats: 326 (34.79%)
Independents: 388 (41.4%)

lowering the Republican sample from an already low 28%? As John Stossel says - Give me a break!


Talk about fabricating a story or guiding things towards the outcome you want to report or make a story about! I could care less what Bush's real poll ratings are but the fact that the media thinks they can get away with this sort of twisting of reality is outrageous.

Just curious. Do you have any statistically qualified basis for rejecting their weighting? I'm guessing not, that you're rejecting it solely because it contradicts your beliefs. Did you ever see anyone about treating that cognitive dissonance?


Interesting poll, though. Thanks for the link to the .pdf. Several other interesting results. For example:

• 51% say the Plame leak is of "Great importance" to America, only 12% see it as of "little or no importance". This compares to 37% who thought the Clinton-Lewinsky story was of little/no importance, and 45% who thought Whitewater was of little/no importance.
  
• 64% of America thinks BushCo was deceptive about Iraq's WMDs before the invasion, either due to "Mostly lying" or to "Hiding important elements".
  
• While Bush's "favorable" rating has tanked to 33%, Cheney's is an even more abysmal 19%.
  
• Only 31% of Americans think invading Iraq was worth its costs. 42% still think it was the right thing to do, however, giving a confused 11% who think it was right to invade yet not worth the cost. Different strokes, I guess.
  
• Just less than half of Americans think Iraq will ever become a stable democracy; the overwhelming majority of them think it will take over two years.
  
• 50% of Americans think our trrops should leave "as soon as possible"; only 43% agree with Bush that they should stay as long as it takes.

Doesn't look like GW and John Q. Public see eye to eye on major issues. Pity more of them weren't paying attention a year ago.

Great OP, once we got past the sour grapes. :thumbsup:



edit: typo

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

You seem to have a problem with reading. Here, I'll pull out the relevant parts of my posts for you.

"I could care less what Bush's real poll ratings are but the fact that the media thinks they can get away with this sort of twisting of reality is outrageous."

So in really small words: It does not matter what the poll numbers are. This is about the media making a story and skewing reality in attempt to get the results and story they want.

Soooooooooooooo, your point is that "the media" is overemphasizing the uncontroverted fact that President Bush has awful, awful poll numbers? Is that really worth an entire thread? As I said above, Fox News and Gallup report essentially the same thing, and they are run by conservatives. I guess your threshold for newsworthiness is different from my own.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: homercles337
Like all you idiot repugs, youre assuming that EVERYONE votes along party lines. Get a grip. Who were you before you were banned Shades? Additionally, i would bet that they already corrected for this bias, if not then EatSpam has the correct perspective.

Um, look at the percentages, "idiot". There is NO WAY that cBS should have weighted it that way, infact they should have increased the Republican sample due to abnormally low initial sample.

People claim that I am some NoSmirk guy but that's been discussed with the Moderators and is entirely untrue. This is the only acct I post under. Sorry to disappoint though.

No disappointment (i already know that youre lying given your post cout, blind partisan perspectives, and short menber time). Just tell me how you would have weighted the results. Better sooner than later, so i can explain what "statistics" means--since you have no clue.

Haha, sure, why don't you entertain us with a little lesson on statistics.:laugh: Try explaining why cBS would take an already low Republican sample of 28% and change it to 24%. I'm sure your meaning of "statistics" will explain away this obvious "error".

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
cBS link to their "story"

They make a lot of claims about why and what it means but it seems they have a little something to hide.

PDF of cBS poll

Take a look at the end of the pdf. Not only was their sample off from the start, they weighted the poll results to skew them even more!

Unweighted Total Respondents: 936
Republicans = 259 (27.67%)
Democrats = 326 (34.83%)
Independents = 351 (37.5%)

Weighted Total Respondents: 937
Republicans: 223 (23.80%)
Democrats: 326 (34.79%)
Independents: 388 (41.4%)

lowering the Republican sample from an already low 28%? As John Stossel says - Give me a break!


Talk about fabricating a story or guiding things towards the outcome you want to report or make a story about! I could care less what Bush's real poll ratings are but the fact that the media thinks they can get away with this sort of twisting of reality is outrageous.

Just curious. Do you have any statistically qualified basis for rejecting their weighting? I'm guessing not, that you're rejecting it solely because it contradicts your beliefs. Did you ever see anyone about treating that cognitive dissonance?


Interesting poll, though. Thanks for the link to the .pdf. Several other interesting results. For example:

• 51% say the Plame leak is of "Great importance" to America, only 12% see it as of "little or no importance". This compares to 37% who thought the Clinton-Lewinsky story was of little/no importance, and 45% whi thought Whitewater was of little/no importance.
  
• 64% of America thinks BushCo was deceptive about Iraq's WMDs before the invasion, either due to "Mostly lying" or to "Hiding important elements".
  
• While Bush's "favorable" rating has tanked to 33%, Cheney's is an even more abysmal 19%.
  
• Only 31% of Americans think invading Iraq was worth its costs. 42% still think it was the right thing to do, however, giving a confused 11% who think it was right to invade yet not worth the cost Different strokes, I guess.
  
• Just less than half of Americans think Iraq will ever become a stable democracy; the overwhelming majority of them think it will take over two years.
  
• 50% of Americans think our trrops should leave "as soon as possible"; only 43% agree with Bush that they should stay as long as it takes.

Doesn't look like GW and John Q. Public see eye to eye on major issues. Pity more of them weren't paying attention a year ago.

So you think that 24% of people are Republican, 34% Democrat and 41% Independent? Those numbers are laughable, especially considering how the last election cycle turned out. However, cBS has not provided any evidence supporting their decision to skew the sample.

BTW, I see you keep ignoring the tax thread. Interesting.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

You seem to have a problem with reading. Here, I'll pull out the relevant parts of my posts for you.

"I could care less what Bush's real poll ratings are but the fact that the media thinks they can get away with this sort of twisting of reality is outrageous."

So in really small words: It does not matter what the poll numbers are. This is about the media making a story and skewing reality in attempt to get the results and story they want.

Soooooooooooooo, your point is that "the media" is overemphasizing the uncontroverted fact that President Bush has awful, awful poll numbers? Is that really worth an entire thread? As I said above, Fox News and Gallup report essentially the same thing, and they are run by conservatives. I guess your threshold for newsworthiness is different from my own.

No, you still don't seem to be able to read. The thread is not about Bush's approval rating - it's about cBS skewing it's poll to get the story it wants. A common practice by today's MSM.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

No, you still don't seem to be able to read. The thread is not about Bush's approval rating - it's about cBS skewing it's poll to get the story it wants. A common practice by today's MSM.

Huh. It seems to me the problem is not my inability to read - I've been doing that since I was 4 - but your own inclination to start threads, then flee from their logical consequences. Bush's approval ratings are directly relevant to the subject you've raised, and they're piss-poor. You're going to have a hard time arguing that Bush's approval ratings are irrelevant to a thread about, well, Bush's approval ratings.

As I have already said once today, I suggest you refrain from starting threads if you're unwilling to engage in discussion. Your censoriousness alone can't deflect the threads you yourself start.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

No, you still don't seem to be able to read. The thread is not about Bush's approval rating - it's about cBS skewing it's poll to get the story it wants. A common practice by today's MSM.

Huh. It seems to me the problem is not my inability to read - I've been doing that since I was 4 - but your own inclination to start threads, then flee from their logical consequences. Bush's approval ratings are directly relevant to the subject you've raised, and they're piss-poor. You're going to have a hard time arguing that Bush's approval ratings are irrelevant to a thread about, well, Bush's approval ratings.

As I have already said once today, I suggest you refrain from starting threads if you're unwilling to engage in discussion. Your censoriousness alone can't deflect the threads you yourself start.

No, we are talking about polling methods, NOT the results of the polls. Clearly CBS is skewing the poll to get the results it wants (bad numbers for Bush). That's not to say that Bush's numbers aren't bad already, they are. Nobody is denying that.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
[ ... ]
BTW, I see you keep ignoring the tax thread. Interesting.

Sir Cad lives! Trying to bait me into chasing your duhversion, huh? Let me repeat myself:

• "What's interesting about it? I'm not here to facilitate your self-gratification. I made my points and you've offered nothing to refute them, instead spouting repetitive nonsense about money and emotional value. You've provided nothing new to discuss. If I see someone who's interested in thoughtful discussion addresses my points in a meaningful way, I'll pick it up again. Until then, you're a waste of time and electrons. "

Get well soon.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

No, you still don't seem to be able to read. The thread is not about Bush's approval rating - it's about cBS skewing it's poll to get the story it wants. A common practice by today's MSM.

Huh. It seems to me the problem is not my inability to read - I've been doing that since I was 4 - but your own inclination to start threads, then flee from their logical consequences. Bush's approval ratings are directly relevant to the subject you've raised, and they're piss-poor. You're going to have a hard time arguing that Bush's approval ratings are irrelevant to a thread about, well, Bush's approval ratings.

As I have already said once today, I suggest you refrain from starting threads if you're unwilling to engage in discussion. Your censoriousness alone can't deflect the threads you yourself start.

No, Bush's approval ratings are not directly relevant to the subject. The subject is not his poll numbers, but rather the media pushing the poll and their obviously agenda driven skewing of the sample to drive a story.

As I've suggested a couple times today, you should try to pay attention and read what I post instead of going off on your own little tangent and then claiming it's relevant.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey
cBS link to their "story"

They make a lot of claims about why and what it means but it seems they have a little something to hide.

PDF of cBS poll

Take a look at the end of the pdf. Not only was their sample off from the start, they weighted the poll results to skew them even more!

Unweighted Total Respondents: 936
Republicans = 259 (27.67%)
Democrats = 326 (34.83%)
Independents = 351 (37.5%)

Weighted Total Respondents: 937
Republicans: 223 (23.80%)
Democrats: 326 (34.79%)
Independents: 388 (41.4%)

lowering the Republican sample from an already low 28%? As John Stossel says - Give me a break!


Talk about fabricating a story or guiding things towards the outcome you want to report or make a story about! I could care less what Bush's real poll ratings are but the fact that the media thinks they can get away with this sort of twisting of reality is outrageous.

Just curious. Do you have any statistically qualified basis for rejecting their weighting? I'm guessing not, that you're rejecting it solely because it contradicts your beliefs. Did you ever see anyone about treating that cognitive dissonance?


Interesting poll, though. Thanks for the link to the .pdf. Several other interesting results. For example:

• 51% say the Plame leak is of "Great importance" to America, only 12% see it as of "little or no importance". This compares to 37% who thought the Clinton-Lewinsky story was of little/no importance, and 45% whi thought Whitewater was of little/no importance.
  
• 64% of America thinks BushCo was deceptive about Iraq's WMDs before the invasion, either due to "Mostly lying" or to "Hiding important elements".
  
• While Bush's "favorable" rating has tanked to 33%, Cheney's is an even more abysmal 19%.
  
• Only 31% of Americans think invading Iraq was worth its costs. 42% still think it was the right thing to do, however, giving a confused 11% who think it was right to invade yet not worth the cost Different strokes, I guess.
  
• Just less than half of Americans think Iraq will ever become a stable democracy; the overwhelming majority of them think it will take over two years.
  
• 50% of Americans think our trrops should leave "as soon as possible"; only 43% agree with Bush that they should stay as long as it takes.

Doesn't look like GW and John Q. Public see eye to eye on major issues. Pity more of them weren't paying attention a year ago.

So you think that 24% of people are Republican, 34% Democrat and 41% Independent? Those numbers are laughable, especially considering how the last election cycle turned out. However, cBS has not provided any evidence supporting their decision to skew the sample. ...

"Do you have any statistically qualified basis for rejecting their weighting? I'm guessing not, that you're rejecting it solely because it contradicts your beliefs. Did you ever see anyone about treating that cognitive dissonance?"

Get well soon.