They wieghted for other demographics so that the poll matches the population of americia. How do you know the precent of republicians surveyed is wrong? Hell how about we correct for the approval ratings from the 200 elections if you want to correct for the republicain precentage during the 2000 elections.
They wieghted for other demographics so that the poll matches the population of americia. How do you know the precent of republicians surveyed is wrong? Hell how about we correct for the approval ratings from the 200 elections if you want to correct for the republicain precentage during the 2000 elections.
umbrella39
Lifer
- Jun 11, 2004
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Ohhh looky, the "the cbs poll makes me cry" post is still going, too!
The only reason Bush's tank in approval is significant anyway is because it shows the trend that people are starting to wake up and are recognizing who the America haters are. The 'party of the people' exposes themselves a little more each day and let those with newly opened eyes know that big business and only the wealthiest have a future in this country as far as the GOP is concerned.
The only reason Bush's tank in approval is significant anyway is because it shows the trend that people are starting to wake up and are recognizing who the America haters are. The 'party of the people' exposes themselves a little more each day and let those with newly opened eyes know that big business and only the wealthiest have a future in this country as far as the GOP is concerned.
Bowfinger
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2002
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I can't speak for everyone else, but I'll bet I'm not the only one who's sick of close-minded partisans proclaiming everything that contradicts their beliefs to be "skewed" or "fabrications" or simply "crap". The only "crap" here is the presumption that blind faith is absolutely, unquestionably more valid than sound science. You obstinately refuse to consider any of the points raised by others because you've made up your mind and you're never, ever, ever wrong ... about anything. The simple fact is you drew your conclusions first, and now desperately twist and turn, dodging facts and throwing out anything you think might stick to support your bias. Get over yourself. Ignorance may be bliss, but it doesn't foster productive discussion. Get back to us after you've educated yourself, at least a little.
Good question. Why don't you Google the premiere of Fox "News"? Your insinuations certainly have nothing to do with this CBS poll.
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Demographics aside, Are you trying to say if 50 republicans were polled, that ALL 50 would be in approval??
Dude I know many republicans, me being one, that are NOT and I repeat NOT happy with this president, and his admin.
Talk about willing ignorance.... Jeez!
Demographics aside, Are you trying to say if 50 republicans were polled, that ALL 50 would be in approval??
Dude I know many republicans, me being one, that are NOT and I repeat NOT happy with this president, and his admin.
Talk about willing ignorance.... Jeez![/quote]
Said the anti-American LIBerul terrorist...time for you to leave the country now, bub!
:roll: If you would have ever read the OP you'd have notice that the results didn't matter. This is about using bad samples in political polls for a story.
And yes, I'm not wrong, nor did I draw a conclusion first. I have the numbers to back up what I've stated here and did the background work to find what party affiliation breakdowns were. Sorry you and others can't handle it. Just because you and others consistently claim I am wrong doesn't mean it is so.
If you would read, I did not leave FOX out of the equation when blasting journalism. Yes, it does have to do with cBS and specifically how they do and report polls. They have an obviously flawed sample yet they went with it hoping people would just lap it up without - as you and others have.
Demographics aside, Are you trying to say if 50 republicans were polled, that ALL 50 would be in approval??
Dude I know many republicans, me being one, that are NOT and I repeat NOT happy with this president, and his admin.
Talk about willing ignorance.... Jeez![/quote]
No, but when you undersample you have for sure skewed the data.
I am a Conservative and a Republican and am not entirely happy with how things are being run, but that doesn't change this bad sample.
No, but when you undersample you have for sure skewed the data.
I am a Conservative and a Republican and am not entirely happy with how things are being run, but that doesn't change this bad sample.[/quote]
How did they under sample? If as you claim about 37% should have been republician how did CBS manage to call 950 people and 10% less republicians. What does CBS use magic phones that only democratics can hear ringing?
How did they under sample? If as you claim about 37% should have been republician how did CBS manage to call 950 people and 10% less republicians. What does CBS use magic phones that only democratics can hear ringing?[/quote]
The initial sample is "random" by using auto dialers and such. That's why they wieght their initial sample afterwards to appropriate demographics. cBS in this case reduced the Republican sample because of the other demographics. They should have realized their sample was bad and either resampled or weighted for political affiliation.
The initial sample is "random" by using auto dialers and such. That's why they wieght their initial sample afterwards to appropriate demographics. cBS in this case reduced the Republican sample because of the other demographics. They should have realized their sample was bad and either resampled or weighted for political affiliation.[/quote]
The only reason it's bad is because you don't like it.
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The only reason it's bad is because you don't like it.
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We shouldn't expect apologists to understand scientific concepts like weighting polls and how to perform a correct random survey of the populace.
Nevermind the fact that the AP-Ipsos poll came to the conclusion that Bush's approval rating is at a all time low, and that 60% of Americans believe Bush is dishonest...the only poll that apologists will vouch for are the ones that paint the rosiest picture.
I love the left wingers..Save trees,kill babies..Dont drill ..KILL..Should be there motto..Dont make business prosper .....Subjucate it and give money to the poor uneducated over weight people so the country can be called fair ! ! !
It ia amazing to me the hype lefties grasp on to..LOOK at his poll numbers,,LIBBY lied Under oath,,,Are you serious ? Did Clinton not lie under oath ? Did he not lie to our faces on national TV..Did his poll nuumbers not drop ? Talk about double talk and double standards..
I have yet to see any lefty proclaim any logic in any argument on any topic . All they do is try to inflame the poor and week,,LETS NOT EDUCATE people that abortion is NOT BIRTH controll...Condoms are,,,Lets scream as loud as we can it is a freedom of choice argument so loud and so often the dummies of the world agree with you...Lets Scream SUV autos are why we use so much oil...LMAO..
I just wish those who hate Bush could actually come to some form of relivent logic to sustain there hate...Rather then a bunch of tree hugging baby killing peace proclaiming LIARS...We lost 2000 in Iraq > We lose 2800 a day to suicide,Millions of babies to abortion and millions more to starvation around the globe...WHY IS THIS TRUTH UNTOLD by these peace loving protectors of human rights ?
Start being personally responsible , honest and then start to argue..AND STOP PREYING on the moraly bankrupt,uneducated,and start educating them for a life of personal responsibility . . . .What a joke..Save the trees,Kill the unborn,,save a mouse or desert rat but let children die...Teach blacks and poor white people there problems are not there responsibility...It is there president who is there problem..
Get a life stop the fear campaign and do something useful for the Millions you claim to represent . . . .
It ia amazing to me the hype lefties grasp on to..LOOK at his poll numbers,,LIBBY lied Under oath,,,Are you serious ? Did Clinton not lie under oath ? Did he not lie to our faces on national TV..Did his poll nuumbers not drop ? Talk about double talk and double standards..
I have yet to see any lefty proclaim any logic in any argument on any topic . All they do is try to inflame the poor and week,,LETS NOT EDUCATE people that abortion is NOT BIRTH controll...Condoms are,,,Lets scream as loud as we can it is a freedom of choice argument so loud and so often the dummies of the world agree with you...Lets Scream SUV autos are why we use so much oil...LMAO..
I just wish those who hate Bush could actually come to some form of relivent logic to sustain there hate...Rather then a bunch of tree hugging baby killing peace proclaiming LIARS...We lost 2000 in Iraq > We lose 2800 a day to suicide,Millions of babies to abortion and millions more to starvation around the globe...WHY IS THIS TRUTH UNTOLD by these peace loving protectors of human rights ?
Start being personally responsible , honest and then start to argue..AND STOP PREYING on the moraly bankrupt,uneducated,and start educating them for a life of personal responsibility . . . .What a joke..Save the trees,Kill the unborn,,save a mouse or desert rat but let children die...Teach blacks and poor white people there problems are not there responsibility...It is there president who is there problem..
Get a life stop the fear campaign and do something useful for the Millions you claim to represent . . . .
umbrella39
Lifer
- Jun 11, 2004
- 13,816
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- 126
We shouldn't expect apologists to understand scientific concepts like weighting polls and how to perform a correct random survey of the populace.
Nevermind the fact that the AP-Ipsos poll came to the conclusion that Bush's approval rating is at a all time low, and that 60% of Americans believe Bush is dishonest...the only poll that apologists will vouch for are the ones that paint the rosiest picture.[/quote]
Not true. As I've stated, it's not about the poll's individual results, it's about the bad sampling. I fully understand "scientific concepts" like poll weighing. It's you and the other cBS apologists who want to overlook that they don't do a good enough job with thier weighing on political polls because they leave out very important demographics - political affiliation.
SparkyJJO
Lifer
- May 16, 2002
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I found a conservative friend on AT - Hi ShadesOfGrey
We need more ppl like you, ppl who have backbones and don't care if they get flamed at or become unpopular - unfortunately so many bend or break under the pressure of the liberals. We need ppl like you in office who just push what is right and not worry about poll numbers.
On this poll thing, this one may seem "minor" (4% off of real numbers) but who is to say that if they did that here that they haven't/won't do that only worse at other times?? A good news resource should not be adjusting any of that even the tiniest bit.
Think of it like this: Whether someone steals a can of coke from a convenience store or steals a million dollars from a bank, the principle is the same - it is WRONG
We need more ppl like you, ppl who have backbones and don't care if they get flamed at or become unpopular - unfortunately so many bend or break under the pressure of the liberals. We need ppl like you in office who just push what is right and not worry about poll numbers.
On this poll thing, this one may seem "minor" (4% off of real numbers) but who is to say that if they did that here that they haven't/won't do that only worse at other times?? A good news resource should not be adjusting any of that even the tiniest bit.
Think of it like this: Whether someone steals a can of coke from a convenience store or steals a million dollars from a bank, the principle is the same - it is WRONG
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
I found a conservative friend on AT - Hi ShadesOfGrey
We need more ppl like you, ppl who have backbones and don't care if they get flamed at or become unpopular - unfortunately so many bend or break under the pressure of the liberals. We need ppl like you in office who just push what is right and not worry about poll numbers.
On this poll thing, this one may seem "minor" (4% off of real numbers) but who is to say that if they did that here that they haven't/won't do that only worse at other times?? A good news resource should not be adjusting any of that even the tiniest bit.
Think of it like this: Whether someone steals a can of coke from a convenience store or steals a million dollars from a bank, the principle is the same - it is WRONG
Agreed, but weighting polls does have it's place, especially when you are looking for "scientific" results. In this case however cBS didn't weigh their poll for the type of poll it was, they only weighed for generic demographics when it was specifically a political poll where party affiliation can and does play a big part of people's stances and views.
As for more like me? Well, this place would be a lot different.(understatement of the year). It'd be more reality based, more rational, and more critical in thought(not knee-jerk partisanship). Principle seems to be hard to come by around here as does logic. Someday I hope we see more logic and Principle around here but as a realist...
I understand the point of this thread: more obfuscation from the right because their boy is finally being b!tch slapped into near irrelevance.
I also understand the point of this thread in another context: the results of an irrelevant liar as president, being made powerless and having his entire destructive agenda rejected.
See "Democracy Now!" link in my sig for verification.
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