CBS Peddling Bogus Draft Fears

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Mockery

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why are the draft fears bogus? Because Bush said there was not going to be a draft?
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I agree. The draft fear is hardly bogus.

There are over two dozen Democrats trying to push for the legislation needed to reinstate the draft in America today. :)
 
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As long as Bush is in the White House there won't be a draft. Charlie Rangel and the Democratic party tried to pass this issue in the House, but it was crushed because every Republican voted against it, on GWB's orders.

Besides, there's absolutely no need for more troops. More troops in Iraq will mean more casualties. It's easier, cheaper, more effective, and more politically expedient to train Iraqis to police their own country.
 
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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Garuda
As long as Bush is in the White House there won't be a draft.
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How do you know and why?

Charlie Rangel and the Democratic party tried to pass this issue in the House, but it was crushed because every Republican voted against it, on GWB's orders.
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Politically motivated. Who cares? After the election he'll be able to do whatever he wants.

Besides, there's absolutely no need for more troops. More troops in Iraq will mean more casualties. It's easier, cheaper, more effective, and more politically expedient to train Iraqis to police their own country.
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Have you seen how the training is going? And if there's no need for more troops why are troops that were promised to go home not being allowed to go home?
 
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Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why are the draft fears bogus? Because Bush said there was not going to be a draft?
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I agree. The draft fear is hardly bogus.

There are over two dozen Democrats trying to push for the legislation needed to reinstate the draft in America today. :)
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Just 31 more politcians to go. I support a draft if the volunteer numbers have dropped. How many young men andwomen have volunteered since Iraq war started? I would like to see the stats on that. For damn sure, thr milatary needs alot of good men and women to serve to keep this country secure and the world safe from the likes of terrorists organizations around the globe.
 
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Garuda

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From what I've heard, the millitary has not had any problems hitting their recruitment targets this year.
 
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Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Garuda
From what I've heard, the millitary has not had any problems hitting their recruitment targets this year.
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That's not persuasive. I've heard the opposite. Get some real data and explain all the over reliance on the national guard...
 
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Wanescotting

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Why do you folks still think we will have a draft?

The military is to specialized for this to ever happen.

 
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Zebo

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We already have a draft right now in the form of stop gap and recalls.


That vote was BS. Like anyones stupid enough to vote yea right before election. Theres definity going to be a draft after the election if Bush wins. We will attack Iran which is 3x the population as Iraq and will need at least 400,000 troops. Add in Seria and maybe even NK and I would'nt be surprised if men up to 34 did'nt have to register.

 
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Zebo

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Why are the draft fears bogus? Because Bush said there was not going to be a draft?
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No bush has never said one way or the other AFAIK.
 
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Garuda

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I love how Democrats - instead of arguing one way on an issue - instead manufacture bogus issues out of thin air. They wanted the draft to be a controversy, so they themselves introduced a draft bill, and then told everyone it was a Republican plot.
 
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Originally posted by: Garuda
I love how Democrats - instead of arguing one way on an issue - instead manufacture bogus issues out of thin air. They wanted the draft to be a controversy, so they themselves introduced a draft bill, and then told everyone it was a Republican plot.
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Amazing, isn't it. And the funny thing is, some of the less intelligent ones are buying it.
 
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Garuda

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Garuda
I love how Democrats - instead of arguing one way on an issue - instead manufacture bogus issues out of thin air. They wanted the draft to be a controversy, so they themselves introduced a draft bill, and then told everyone it was a Republican plot.
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Amazing, isn't it. And the funny thing is, some of the less intelligent ones are buying it.
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People my age shouldn't be allowed to vote :(
 
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b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Ferocious
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That a draft would help make the numbers the military seems to need is hardly proof that the Bush administration will reinstate the draft.

Disproving the bogosity of draft fears would require Bush or Cheney saying they support a draft; I've only seen the opposite.
 
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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Ferocious
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That a draft would help make the numbers the military seems to need is hardly proof that the Bush administration will reinstate the draft.

Disproving the bogosity of draft fears would require Bush or Cheney saying they support a draft; I've only seen the opposite.
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Agreed. Additionally, if we wanted to reach the former US Army strength of 778,000 volunteers from the post-1973, Cold War era, we'd recruit accordingly.
 
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DoubleL

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I have been in the military for 38 years now, I think the draft should have never been droped but I just don't see the draft ever coming back
 
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Train

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congress could easily increase the size of the military without a draft. It was only last spring(not sure of the date) that troop level was up for review, congress had the option of lowering, raising, or keeping the same level of troops. They voted to keep levels the same. If they had increased the troop levels by two divisions (as Kerry suggested) the roughly 12,000 troops required to fill those divisions would easily be filled.

The "back door draft" people keep whining about is grossly exagerated. Its main purpose is to maintain unit cohesion and keep expirienced specialists. But even during a time of war, each branch is only allowed to swell 3% above its congressionally mandated size.

And yes it is true that recruiting hsant been a problem for over a decade, I could dig up a recent article on http://www.usmc.mil about something like 13 consecutive quarters without a recruiting quota missed. The Navy and Air Force actually have to turn away a good amount of applicants now, allowing them to be more selective (minimum asvab scores for all branches are going up, not down, an indicator of the pool of applicants)

The draft simply wont happen within the next 4 years, no matter who the president, the pentagon is against it, and they will no doubt let the president know.
 
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Train

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A little more info, from the Dept of Defense website:

Performance Metric: Active Component end strength (Fiscal Year 2003)
Component........Authorized.........Actual
Army..................480,000.............499,301 (+4.0%) 19301
Navy...................375,700.............382,235 (+1.7%) 6535
Marine Corps.......175,000.............177,779 (+1.6%) 2779
Air Force.............359,000.............375,062 (+4.5%) 16062


Performance Metric: Reserve Component end strength (Fiscal Year 2003)
Component.......................Authorized.........Actual
Army National Guard...........350,000.............351,089 (+0.3%) 1089
Army Reserve....................205,000.............211,890 (+3.4%) 6890
Naval Reserve......................87,800..............88,156 (+0.4%) 356
Marine Corps Reserve...........39,558..............41,046 (+3.8%) 1488
Air National Guard...............106,600............108,137 (+1.4%) 1537
Air Force Reserve.................75,600..............74,754 (-1.1%) -846
Coat Guard Reserve...............9,000................7,720 (-14.2%) -1280

So overall, the military had 54,000 more troops than required for 2003, with the only areas with empty billets was the AF reserve and CG reserve

http://www.dod.mil/comptroller...erformance_Metrics.pdf
 
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dannybin1742

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you people need to watch cspan more, there have alreaedy been talks on the draft in open hearings of the house

this last week it was discussed on monday and tuesday at lunch time, and apparently the republicans have somthing sitting in a committee that has been sitting there for 2 years
 
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