CBS/NYT Poll: Congressional Republicans Receive Lowest Ratings In 25 Years

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: loki8481
isn't it common knowledge that there's a gap between Obama's personal approval versus approval for specific Obama policies?

Read the poll results page by and page and that seems to be the case.

A lot of the policies that the majority likes are not the same policies that Obama is likely to impose. Once the honeymoon is over Obama may be in big trouble.

Lets see - fast forward to 2012, summer election season. The economy has rebounded. Obama's likeability on top of the improved economy - "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" yadda yadda...

No I think we'll have 8 years of your denial to look at =)

The economy was still doing good in 2006 and the Republicans still lost control of congress due to the war and corruption.

For Democrats 2010 could be all about corruption and over spending.

We are a one topic country and right now that topic is the economy and everything else tends to fall to the way side. Once the economy turns around people will start to notice things like the debt and run away spending etc etc.

BTW Bill Clinton won on the mantra of "It's the economy stupid" and yet two years later with a much stronger economy Democrats lost control of congress.

You're still in denial about this... "President Obama is enjoying a 66% approval rating by respondents as opposed to 64% in March. Republicans didn't fare as well in the poll. 63% of Americans feel the President is more likely to make the right decisions about the economy than the Republicans in Congress. Only 20% of Americans believe the Republicans in Congress is more likely to make the correct decisions."

But, only time will tell... In 2012 When the economy is recovered and the rep. nominee is losing in the polls, you think back to this time and remember. =)

GWB had an approval rating around 80% after 9/11, howd that turn out?

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

GWB had an approval rating around 80% after 9/11, howd that turn out?

What is your point? That Bush took our country into the shitter and people disapproved of it? Are you seriously going to compare Bush's total cluster fuck of a presidency to Obama?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

GWB had an approval rating around 80% after 9/11, howd that turn out?

What is your point? That Bush took our country into the shitter and people disapproved of it? Are you seriously going to compare Bush's total cluster fuck of a presidency to Obama?

That is the point. Anything can and will happen.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

GWB had an approval rating around 80% after 9/11, howd that turn out?

What is your point? That Bush took our country into the shitter and people disapproved of it? Are you seriously going to compare Bush's total cluster fuck of a presidency to Obama?

That is the point. Anything can and will happen.

True... But it takes a special brand of idiot to do what Bush did. Its HIGHLY unlikely Obama is that stupid. By 2012 the economy will be much improved (actually much sooner than that) and there isn't much else that can stop him. Its not like he is going to ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

True... But it takes a special brand of idiot to do what Bush did. Its HIGHLY unlikely Obama is that stupid. By 2012 the economy will be much improved (actually much sooner than that) and there isn't much else that can stop him. Its not like he is going to ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries.

And what exactly did Bush do?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: loki8481
isn't it common knowledge that there's a gap between Obama's personal approval versus approval for specific Obama policies?

Read the poll results page by and page and that seems to be the case.

A lot of the policies that the majority likes are not the same policies that Obama is likely to impose. Once the honeymoon is over Obama may be in big trouble.

Lets see - fast forward to 2012, summer election season. The economy has rebounded. Obama's likeability on top of the improved economy - "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" yadda yadda...

No I think we'll have 8 years of your denial to look at =)

The economy was still doing good in 2006 and the Republicans still lost control of congress due to the war and corruption.

For Democrats 2010 could be all about corruption and over spending.

We are a one topic country and right now that topic is the economy and everything else tends to fall to the way side. Once the economy turns around people will start to notice things like the debt and run away spending etc etc.

BTW Bill Clinton won on the mantra of "It's the economy stupid" and yet two years later with a much stronger economy Democrats lost control of congress.

You're still in denial about this... "President Obama is enjoying a 66% approval rating by respondents as opposed to 64% in March. Republicans didn't fare as well in the poll. 63% of Americans feel the President is more likely to make the right decisions about the economy than the Republicans in Congress. Only 20% of Americans believe the Republicans in Congress is more likely to make the correct decisions."

But, only time will tell... In 2012 When the economy is recovered and the rep. nominee is losing in the polls, you think back to this time and remember. =)

GWB had an approval rating around 80% after 9/11, howd that turn out?

Your wondering why Shrub's approval rating, which got bumped up due to 2 planes hitting the wtc, went down? Really?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: palehorse
stats are fun, eh?

Yep. Who gained in Congress over the last two election cycles? Who has dominant control over the legislative branch right now?

Sounds like Americans are placing a majority of the blame on one party.

No they are blaming Bush and Cheney which is not a mandate to spend 10 trillion dollars.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: palehorse
stats are fun, eh?

Yep. Who gained in Congress over the last two election cycles? Who has dominant control over the legislative branch right now?

Sounds like Americans are placing a majority of the blame on one party.

No they are blaming Bush and Cheney which is not a mandate to spend 10 trillion dollars.

Ahh, the old 'conservatism never fails, it is only failed' line again.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Vic
Sig.

:laugh:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

GWB had an approval rating around 80% after 9/11, howd that turn out?

Approval ratings increase with the onset of conflicts, that's just how it goes. Bush's popularity after 9/11 has nothing to do with Obama's popularity now. What you should have said if you wanted to make a real point about approval ratings is something about Bush's popularity being relatively high at this point in his first term as well. (of course Obama's is higher than his was, but the point would have stood much better)

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

GWB had an approval rating around 80% after 9/11, howd that turn out?

What is your point? That Bush took our country into the shitter and people disapproved of it? Are you seriously going to compare Bush's total cluster fuck of a presidency to Obama?

That is the point. Anything can and will happen.

True... But it takes a special brand of idiot to do what Bush did. Its HIGHLY unlikely Obama is that stupid. By 2012 the economy will be much improved (actually much sooner than that) and there isn't much else that can stop him. Its not like he is going to ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries.

Because all of the money for his next 4 years of Obama's budgets will miraculously grow on the trees that grace the lawn of the white house.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

GWB had an approval rating around 80% after 9/11, howd that turn out?

Approval ratings increase with the onset of conflicts, that's just how it goes. Bush's popularity after 9/11 has nothing to do with Obama's popularity now. What you should have said if you wanted to make a real point about approval ratings is something about Bush's popularity being relatively high at this point in his first term as well. (of course Obama's is higher than his was, but the point would have stood much better)

What was Bush's approval rating at this point in 2001? The numbers I saw for the past 4 presidents(BushII, Clinton, Bush I, and Reagan) all compared to Obama being in the low to mid 60s.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: retrospooty

True... But it takes a special brand of idiot to do what Bush did. Its HIGHLY unlikely Obama is that stupid. By 2012 the economy will be much improved (actually much sooner than that) and there isn't much else that can stop him. Its not like he is going to ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries.

And what exactly did Bush do?

you mean other than "ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries."

Well, he didnt single handedly ruin our economy, but he did stand by idle and let it happen. He killed our international credibility with his cowboy diplomacy, he allowed torture, he took more vacations than any president ever, one word ... nuk-u-lar - the list goes on and on... All the reasons why his approval ratings are the lowest of any president ever- come one, it cant be news to you. You MUST have heard it all before.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: retrospooty

True... But it takes a special brand of idiot to do what Bush did. Its HIGHLY unlikely Obama is that stupid. By 2012 the economy will be much improved (actually much sooner than that) and there isn't much else that can stop him. Its not like he is going to ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries.

And what exactly did Bush do?

you mean other than "ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries."

Well, he didnt single handedly ruin our economy, but he did stand by idle and let it happen. He killed our international credibility with his cowboy diplomacy, he allowed torture, he took more vacations than any president ever, one word ... nuk-u-lar - the list goes on and on... All the reasons why his approval ratings are the lowest of any president ever- come one, it cant be news to you. You MUST have heard it all before.

I have heard it all before but wanted you to go through the exercise anyways.

The international credibility whoopie do. In case you didnt notice while the Euro's welcomed Obama, Obama didnt get much from them in terms of actual resources.
Torture, Obama hasnt changed stance on this much. Rendition program is still going.
Vacations matter? Really? You arent under some impression when a President goes on vacation he is like us where we turn the cell phone off are you? That said Obama took a vacation within the first three weeks of his admin in the middle of important legislation. Again Whoopie do
You are really making a big deal about how he pronounces a word? Isnt this getting petty?

Anyways the trillion dollar war will continue under Obama and Obama's deficit spending really isnt different than Bush's. Tax cuts and increased spending. So what my excercise here was to get the idea of what Bush did that was soo terribad in your eyes and see how it compares to the current situation. Really outside of a few issues they arent that far apart on the major ones

Economy, Obama wants bigger govt and deficit spending. Bush was different how?
War, Obama is continuing the war by leaving troops in Iraq and shifting the others to Afghanistan. So Obama is different by making Afghanistan the base of operations under his administration? Really, not much different in my eyes.

I am still waiting on the regulation reforms that are supposed to clean up what caused our financial mess. All I hear is a plea for more spending without cleaning up the actual legislation that allowed this to happen. Any word when this will happen? Until then I dont consider us really doing anything except expanding govt power. Which was a staple of Bush's reign and why republicans got smoked the last two elections, rightly so.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: retrospooty

True... But it takes a special brand of idiot to do what Bush did. Its HIGHLY unlikely Obama is that stupid. By 2012 the economy will be much improved (actually much sooner than that) and there isn't much else that can stop him. Its not like he is going to ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries.

And what exactly did Bush do?

you mean other than "ruin our economy or start a trillion dollar war based on lies with a country that did absolutely nothing to us, and do it without the support of the other major G20 class countries."

Well, he didnt single handedly ruin our economy, but he did stand by idle and let it happen. He killed our international credibility with his cowboy diplomacy, he allowed torture, he took more vacations than any president ever, one word ... nuk-u-lar - the list goes on and on... All the reasons why his approval ratings are the lowest of any president ever- come one, it cant be news to you. You MUST have heard it all before.

I have heard it all before but wanted you to go through the exercise anyways.

The international credibility whoopie do. In case you didnt notice while the Euro's welcomed Obama, Obama didnt get much from them in terms of actual resources.
Torture, Obama hasnt changed stance on this much. Rendition program is still going.
Vacations matter? Really? You arent under some impression when a President goes on vacation he is like us where we turn the cell phone off are you? That said Obama took a vacation within the first three weeks of his admin in the middle of important legislation. Again Whoopie do
You are really making a big deal about how he pronounces a word? Isnt this getting petty?

Anyways the trillion dollar war will continue under Obama and Obama's deficit spending really isnt different than Bush's. Tax cuts and increased spending. So what my excercise here was to get the idea of what Bush did that was soo terribad in your eyes and see how it compares to the current situation. Really outside of a few issues they arent that far apart on the major ones

Economy, Obama wants bigger govt and deficit spending. Bush was different how?
War, Obama is continuing the war by leaving troops in Iraq and shifting the others to Afghanistan. So Obama is different by making Afghanistan the base of operations under his administration? Really, not much different in my eyes.

I am still waiting on the regulation reforms that are supposed to clean up what caused our financial mess. All I hear is a plea for more spending without cleaning up the actual legislation that allowed this to happen. Any word when this will happen? Until then I dont consider us really doing anything except expanding govt power. Which was a staple of Bush's reign and why republicans got smoked the last two elections, rightly so.

That's an interesting way of looking at things.... Obama inherited an economic nightmare and had to do bailouts and stimulus to keep us out of depression, so he is as bad as Bush? Obama inherited a war that he was against from the start, and since he cant just pull the plug he is as bad as Bush? Once committed, you can't just rip the troops out. He does have a plan to get them out gradually over the next 1 1/2 years. How is that as bad as Bush? And if you think Bush didnt damage us internationally, your head is up your wazoo... If you just dont care if he damaged us, also, wazoo. And as far as nuk-u-lar - not itself is not a major issue, I just find it interesting that the most powerful man in the world for 8 years straight, can't properly pronounce the word.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

That's an interesting way of looking at things.... Obama inherited an economic nightmare and had to do bailouts and stimulus to keep us out of depression, so he is as bad as Bush? Obama inherited a war that he was against from the start, and since he cant just pull the plug he is as bad as Bush? Once committed, you can't just rip the troops out. He does have a plan to get them out gradually over the next 1 1/2 years. How is that as bad as Bush? And if you think Bush didnt damage us internationally, your head is up your wazoo... If you just dont care if he damaged us, also, wazoo. And as far as nuk-u-lar - not itself is not a major issue, I just find it interesting that the most powerful man in the world for 8 years straight, can't properly pronounce the word.

Obama didnt have to do a stimulus package. He wanted to and his budget run deficits like Bush. Both expand the power of govt.

IMO the only bailout that saved us from a depression was the bank bailout that helped keep the credit markets from freezing like they did post 1929. Bush initiated it, congress signed it, Bush spent the first 350 billion, Obama the second 350 billion.

I didnt say Obama was as "bad" as Bush. I said there isnt much difference. Obama has us in Iraq indefinately with 50,000 troops. The other troops or going to Afghanistan. I didnt pass judgement. I pointed out there isnt much difference. The war is going to conitnue and require large amounts of troops, equipment, and money to conduct it.

You have me partially right on the international credibility. It is good to have solid relationships on an international stage. But if those relationships gain you little in your goals, whoopie do.

And are we or arent we going to close the lack of regulation that helped cause this mess? I see he wants to go after corporate profits earned abroad. God forbid he spend a little time fixing the situation instead of treating its symptoms.

 

[retrospooty]

Give it time... YOu havge to stop the bleeding first, before you kill the cancer.