Cayman going to be the new R300 (aka Radeon 9700)?

[thilanliyan]

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20663-amd-promotes-cayman-as-the-new-r300

Would be nice if true...then nV can release their card (which hopefully doesn't end up like their 5800 back in the day) and we can have some glorious competition and price wars!!

Maybe we'll get some HL3 coupons with this? I remember I got a HL2 coupon with my 9600XT...that was a decent card and a great game.

 

[WelshBloke]

Not liking the "big and hot" bit of that, well actually I couldn't give a fig about the big bit but hot I don't like.

I suppose its not surprising really given their competition, from Nvidia and the laws of physics.

 

[Gloomy]

I wouldn't mind it being hotter (I would expect it to be, actually), if it brought a relative performance increase.

 

[Paratus]

Would be nice if true...then nV c...ike that anymore. Probably a good thing too.

 

[thilanliyan]

Ha. I had an Asus 9600XT VIVO. It was my first stand alone video card purchase. That card had the most insane bundle:

Haha that's the exact card I got too. I did find the VIVO and HL2 useful but the rest of the bundle was not very useful for me. Also my first "major" card purchase...and I only bought it because I wasn't able to play Prince of Persia: Sands of Time because it needed a DX9 card.

 

[Arsynic]

Damn, seems AMD/ATi is coming full circle with the names. There already was a Radeon 9700 back in the day. It was one of the best cards in term of price/performance ever.

 

[Paratus]

Damn, seems AMD/ATi is coming full circle with the names. There already was a Radeon 9700 back in the day. It was one of the best cards in term of price/performance ever.

Umm their not there yet. We're only at the 6800/6900 series.

 

[Arkadrel]

the 6970 is supposed to be faster than a slightly overclocked 580... going from rumors on chinese sites. The 580 isnt a dream,... but it ll most likely be launched in smaller quanties than the 6970 and cost more, and it ll most likely be launched later than the 6970.

we should end up with this:
6950 = 570 = 480 in speed.
6970 = 580 = 480 in speed +20%~
6990 = dual chip fastest single card on the market.

the 6970 is *supposedly* slightly faster than the 580.

 

[blastingcap]

the 6970 is supposed to be faster than a slightly overclocked 580... going from rumors on chinese sites. The 580 isnt a dream,... but it ll most likely be launched in smaller quanties than the 6970 and cost more, and it ll most likely be launched later than the 6970.

we should end up with this:
6950 = 570 = 480 in speed.
6970 = 580 = 480 in speed +20%~
6990 = dual chip fastest single card on the market.

the 6970 is *supposedly* slightly faster than the 580.

AMD releases first. NV will get to see what target it needs to hit. The faster Cayman XT is, the more NV will have to bin the GTX580 parts to hit the target, and thus the smaller availability will be. This is assuming NV will do whatever it takes to hold onto the single-GPU speed crown. Which isn't a bad assumption, imo.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Part of the success with the 9700 Pro had to do with the failure of the FX series. If Nvidia releases a decent and on-time part this go around, then it would be pretty difficult for AMD to be that good.

 

[Triggaaar]

the 6970 is supposed to be faster than a slightly overclocked 580
...
6970 = 580 = 480 in speed +20%~

If the 6970 is faster than an overclocked 580, how come it's not faster than a standard 580?

Don't you think it's a little too early to be assuming these rumours are correct?

 

[BD231]

Making Fermi look like a completely unviable product is not going to happen, cards are to fast right now for a leapfrog of that proportion. I do not however doubt for a second there will be some major changes for the better.

 

[Skurge]

Making Fermi look like a completely unviable product is not going to happen, cards are to fast right now for a leapfrog of that proportion. I do not however doubt for a second there will be some major changes for the better.

Its entirely possible. Here is my reasoning.

If we assume Cayman is not a new architecture and its the same thing that Barts is. A 6870 is 255mm2 and uses around 140W of power for the whole card. If you strap 2 BartsXT together you'll end up with a 510mm2 chip with a TDP of about 250W. 6870Xfire is about 50% faster than a 480. I'm not saying its going to happen. Just saying.

Of course we know the Cayman will use a different architecture to Barts.

 

[exar333]

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20663-amd-promotes-cayman-as-the-new-r300

Would be nice if true...then nV can release their card (which hopefully doesn't end up like their 5800 back in the day) and we can have some glorious competition and price wars!!

Maybe we'll get some HL3 coupons with this? I remember I got a HL2 coupon with my 9600XT...that was a decent card and a great game.

If that's true, give me a 9500 pro that I can unlock to 9700 levels!

 

[shiznizza]

I still have a 9500 Pro in a desktop at home! My first video card purchase... wait, second... I think there was a 3dfx card before that I bought once... ahh, memories of Half-Life the first time on a video card...

 

[BD231]

Its entirely possible. Here is my reasoning.

If we assume Cayman is not a new architecture and its the same thing that Barts is. A 6870 is 255mm2 and uses around 140W of power for the whole card. If you strap 2 BartsXT together you'll end up with a 510mm2 chip with a TDP of about 250W. 6870Xfire is about 50% faster than a 480. I'm not saying its going to happen. Just saying.

Of course we know the Cayman will use a different architecture to Barts.

AMD dose tend to give out cores like candy don't they, we'll see.

 

[tviceman]

AMD releases first. NV will get to see what target it needs to hit. The faster Cayman XT is, the more NV will have to bin the GTX580 parts to hit the target, and thus the smaller availability will be. This is assuming NV will do whatever it takes to hold onto the single-GPU speed crown. Which isn't a bad assumption, imo.

Our most favoritist ultra accurate rumor site Fudzilla is saying that Nvidia is going attempt to launch the gtx580/570 before AMD launches the hd6970/6950.

I will give Fudzilla credit for being the first to discredit one of Silverfarce's most commonly accepted (and now disproven) facts about the shader clusters in Barts, but other than that I still like to take everything Fudzilla says with a large punch of seasoned salt.


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[tviceman]

the 6970 is *supposedly* slightly faster than the 580.

Just like the 6870 was *supposedly* faster than the 5870 in DX11? Nah, I won't believe anything regarding final performance vs. two completely different unreleased parts until they're out.

 

[ArchAngel777]

If Cayman is anything less than 30% faster overall than a 5870, then I will be majorly dissapointed.

 

[Nemesis 1]

the 6970 is supposed to be faster than a slightly overclocked 580... going from rumors on chinese sites. The 580 isnt a dream,... but it ll most likely be launched in smaller quanties than the 6970 and cost more, and it ll most likely be launched later than the 6970.

we should end up with this:
6950 = 570 = 480 in speed.
6970 = 580 = 480 in speed +20%~
6990 = dual chip fastest single card on the market.

the 6970 is *supposedly* slightly faster than the 580.

Really. So tell me this . How much faster is a 6970 than a 6870? I don't no either haven't got no 6800s around here . I not buying one. So your saying a 6970 is about 25% faster than a 6870 and the 6950 slides in between the 6870 and a 6950 . I would never buy a 6950 than . not ever. Pure junk if your numbers are correct.

 

[Piano Man]

I hope its not too hot. The noise needed in cooling would be a huge turn off. The 5850 I have is already too loud for me.

 

[RussianSensation]

Its entirely possible. Here is my reasoning.

Umm...I am pretty sure you never had a chance to follow the FX5800/5900 fiasco. If you did, then you'll know that R300 vs. NV30 to become HD6970 vs. GTX580 is IMPOSSIBLE.

5900XT = 28.1 fps
9700Pro = 85 fps (3x faster). :biggrin:

For ^^^ to happen, HD6970 would have to be more than 4x faster than a single HD5870....and have a 5x faster tessellation engine than an HD5870.

The comparison already makes no sense on the basis that 9700 pro was the first DX9.0 card. Cayman would then have to be a next generation DX chip (i.e., DX12). Dumb comparison.

 

[Attic]

This is brining back good memories of the 9700Pro. That thing was stupid fast in games of its time. Of course GTA III still ran like dogshit.

My two favorite video cards I ever purchased the 9700Pro and the GeForce 3 Ti200. If there were better games out the GTX460 would probably be on that list too for me because of it's speed and affordability. The GeForce 3 brought to life Morrowind and overclocked (with wc'ing) beyond the Ti500. The 9700Pro ran everything cranked at 16x12, ultra high res for it's time. The GTX460 hasn't opened up any games like those two cards did for me. I've got such a backlog of games I can't get into these days.

ok, sorry for the off topic

 

[tannat]

I remember Anands review of R300. I think the conclusion was that it was a great card but we will not tell you to buy it because we promise you NV30 will slam it.

Nothing ever changes...
I don't expect 69xx to be the quantum leap as R300. So don't buy it. It will be even more stupid than buying R300 at launch.

 

[RussianSensation]

This is brining back good memories of the 9700Pro.

The 9700 Pro is the best videocard of all time imo given the leap in features and performance it brought vs. the competition. I doubt we'll see something like that for a looooooong time