Cause of SETI bandwidth problems????

[Poof]

Can anyone tell me WHY on Earth (or anywhere in the Universe) SETI would setup a BBS forum on their site when we can't even reliably get our results up or new WUs down?

Hello? Anyone over there in Berkeley with some common sense???? :|

 

[Smoke]

Sounds like a good thread for their BBS to me.

 

[OhioDude]

/me was wondering the same thing.

 

[micron]

 

[IsOs]

Bandwith issue being discuss


<< I can assure you we are all quite aware how severe a problem this is.
In fact, I'm heartened how many are sticking around considering.
Solutions are being discussed and tested and put into action.

- Matt Lebofsky - SETI@home >>

 

[Poof]

I saw that IsOs. Only thing is, they said the same thing a year ago this month... :|

 

[Robor]

I'm probably not totally up on everything but isn't the project pretty much funded by donated $$$ from companies and bandwidth from Berkeley? Maybe the project has just hit the wall as far as the amount of bandwidth Berkeley donated?

I see your point though. Not very smart to add more to an already stressed pipe.

 

[Poof]

Robor - I distinctly remember a year ago, right here on this forum, all the discussions regarding whether the 3.03 client and doubling of the WU times would make any difference. I remember promises made by the powers-that-be over on alt.sci.seti, that in return, we would see all these "extras" at their site. Truth be told, most of the "extras" (the certificates, the profiles, etc.) didn't happen until the summer - fall. And now we're back where we were this time last year - bandwidth capped and WU strapped.

Many of us begged them to work on agreements with other universities around the world to setup some sort of mirror-server arrangement. To me, this would be a faster solution than directly adding bandwidth (which might require more routers, more cabling, etc).

But... it's like deja vu all over again. :disgust:

 

[aiex]

<< Subject: I've got 16000+ fresh work units...Want some? Message 2 of 7
Posted by FutureMan on Feb 6, 2002 at 02:24
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Is it me or does 16000 WU's seam a touch excessive for DSLR?

Alex

 

[ShotgunSteven]

FutureMan is sounding like UserCarSalesMan.

 

[micron]

<< FutureMan is sounding like UserCarSalesMan. >>

LOL!

 

[ShotgunSteven]

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<< Subject: I've got 16000+ fresh work units...Want some? Message 2 of 7
Posted by FutureMan on Feb 6, 2002 at 02:24
Reply to this message.
I have a public cache that can proxy your results to Berkeley and give you work
units 24x7...

Visit my Seti Teams forum here:
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- FutureMan
>>



Is it me or does 16000 WU's seam a touch excessive for DSLR?

Alex >>



I wonder if they upped their amount in hopes of attracting people to join?

 

[Robor]

I remember that as well, Poof. What I don't understand is how this just "happened". I mean, wouldn't a bandwidth issue crop up rather than just hit us all at once? All I can say is I'm glad I use SetiQ.

 

[aiex]

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<< Subject: I've got 16000+ fresh work units...Want some? Message 2 of 7
Posted by FutureMan on Feb 6, 2002 at 02:24
Reply to this message.
I have a public cache that can proxy your results to Berkeley and give you work
units 24x7...

Visit my Seti Teams forum here:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/seti

- FutureMan
>>



Is it me or does 16000 WU's seam a touch excessive for DSLR?

Alex >>



I wonder if they upped their amount in hopes of attracting people to join? >>



I don;t know but i just checked OK and he has 7k wu's for our team, so basically DSLR feel like they need an extra 9k units to us, isn't that a little optomisic? or prehaps we have found the source of the bandwidth problems! NOTE THE !!

Alex

 

[Poof]

I remember that as well, Poof. What I don't understand is how this just "happened". I mean, wouldn't a bandwidth issue crop up rather than just hit us all at once? All I can say is I'm glad I use SetiQ.

Well, we just had a good-sized run with VHAR WUs over the past couple weeks (which have sortof died down again), which I guess didn't help things.

And IIRC, after all the "mistake" VHAR WUs blew them away during the summer of 2000, then after they managed to delete maybe 2/3 of them but couldn't get to the last 1/3, and after those 1/3 (which were still alot) came back around again in the late fall blowing them away again, they (along with the rest of the University) got bandwidth capped to 300Mb. Now they're REALLY capped (down to 70Mb campus-wide), but during a sortof bad time... A time when SETI has suddenly been ressurected among alot of teams - and especially here at TA, where a large % of RC5 power has been shifted over. In addition, you have the races going on with DSLR, a ramp-up by SETI Germany & Team ArtBell, and I wouldn't be surprised if KWSN doesn't suddenly wake up again.

It's a shame that this is happening during a time when alot of folks were getting excited again about running SETI....

 

[Sukhoi]

While I agree the bandwidth issue is irritating, the webserver doesn't use the same bandwidth as the data server. See

 

[Poof]

While I agree the bandwidth issue is irritating, the webserver doesn't use the same bandwidth as the data server.

But tell me Sukhoi - where are the stats being generated? Surely not the data server! Unless I'm mistaken.

It's taking god knows how long for Team leaders/Stats Folks to pull Team stats daily as it is. Look at teams like ArtBell with well over 12,000 members (although obviously, not all are active). Now imagine adding the equivalent bandwidth of the posting that happens on an alt.sci.seti and sci.astro.seti to their web server. And consider that the 2 newsgroups are basically ASCII only but this being web-generated would theoretically be more.

Hell... look at the bandwidth issue that Anandtech has... although I know it's an "everything" hardware site, but still. I wouldn't be surprised that in a VERY short time, the SETI "Social Club" forum will become like the Offtopic forum here or like the Lounge on Ars. OVERLOADED.

It's gotten so bad here that I finally got off my lazy butt and paid Anand the $30 so I could post here in a reasonable amount of time. Active forums (and I'm sure that SETI's will be that) *can* impact a server and the network.

[EDIT: Oh and let me add one other thing... remember the "Last 10 work units" feature they used to have when you looked at your stats on their website? Remember the reason they gave for turning it off? Yeah... too much bandwidth and too many hits... :disgust: - I want my "Last 10 WUs" back!!!]

 

[MereMortal]

I'm going to make things even worse when I start working at Berkeley in a few months. All your bandwidth are belong to us!

 

[ShotgunSteven]

<< [EDIT: Oh and let me add one other thing... remember the "Last 10 work units" feature they used to have when you looked at your stats on their website? Remember the reason they gave for turning it off? Yeah... too much bandwidth and too many hits... :disgust: - I want my "Last 10 WUs" back!!! >>



I never saw that.

 

[Poof]

I never saw that.

It was kinda cool. It listed the stats for the last 10 results that you had uploaded. I guess you can see all that stuff from the current, web-based version of Setiqueue now. But the old Setiqueue was text only back then. Still... There are alot of folks that don't run Setiqueue since they don't have a windoze machine.

 

[Sukhoi]

So you got a point.

 

[Poof]

So you got a point.

So are you hanging out over there? LOL!

 

[Sukhoi]

No, I haven't posted there yet. So don't yell at me for taking your bandwidth.

 

[networkman]

There's other reasons besides just bandwidth to considering mirroring to other universities around the nation/world! Just think what would happen if the "the Big One(earthquake)" were to hit and impact Berkeley severely! :Q A single act like that(or a fire, or a flood, or an act of terrorism) could destroy the whole project for weeks, if not months! :Q

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Heck, they keep predicting another "Big One" for California, if it did knock out Berkeley, that would suck! Especially since I doubt they have any sort of back-up, considering their attitude towards setting up Mirrors.