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Catholic University drops student insurance

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Back to the subject at hand, if there is a meningitis outbreak that spreads because sick students don't have insurance and wait too long to see a doctor, the university will have some questions to answer, possibly in court.
 
I'm not surprised that Catholics don't like birth control (duh). But I am surprised that they care more about birth control than health care coverage for students at a Catholic University. We're not talking about an abstract moral stance here, after all. They're refusing to cover ANY health care for students because they dislike covering birth control THAT much. That's a pretty extreme reaction, if you ask me.
 
cybrsage said:
Women can decide if they want to be a mother or not during an accidental pregancy and men have no choice in becoming a father. Libs say this is equality. At least man up and say it is NOT equality but it is the best solution you can come up with.
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Of course it's about equality...but men don't get pregnant. The woman's choice isn't just about eventually having a baby or not, it's about having the choice to NOT be pregnant for 9 months and go through giving birth at the end of that time. Since that's a choice that doesn't apply to men, your objection doesn't really make sense.
 
Works for me, the Catholic Church is a shit organization, if this means fewer kids attend and they close down, that's a +1 right there.
 
senseamp said:
Back to the subject at hand, if there is a meningitis outbreak that spreads because sick students don't have insurance and wait too long to see a doctor, the university will have some questions to answer, possibly in court.
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Would they really? Would an employer that doesn't offer health insurance be liable if it's employees suffered through a wave of measles?
 
Phokus said:
Works for me, the Catholic Church is a shit organization, if this means fewer kids attend and they close down, that's a +1 right there.
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I think Catholic education has a very proud, and successful tradition. Mainly because it has always been primarily interested in educating students at all levels above and beyond what might otherwise be available. I went to a Catholic school as a kid for several grades, and the education was first rate for a lot less money than a non-religious private school would have been. We had a religion class and went to church once a week...but outside of that, a great education was clearly the goal.

The problem here is that education is obviously no longer the primary goal. When making a political or religious statement is the only thing Catholic institutions care about, that cheapens the value of Catholic education quite a bit.
 
sactoking said:
Would they really? Would an employer that doesn't offer health insurance be liable if it's employees suffered through a wave of measles?
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That would certainly be a good way to provide an incentive for companies to provide insurance for their employees. But I agree it's unlikely to result in actual liability now.

On the other hand, there is legal liability and then there is public opinion liability. Catholic University might not get in legal trouble for dumping student health insurance over ideological issues. But if something happens as a result, they'll look like a bunch of assholes to many people.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
So why force anyone at all? Why not acknowledge that there are objections that could be easily anticipated and provide that coverage? Think of it as a mini UHC. You can have some government control and it's one thing that's hard to screw up.
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Everything the government does is some form of "tyranny." Because that's what government does. It desires nothing other than tyrannical control of every decision we make. We shouldn't have government. After all, who wants to be "forced" to do or not do anything, right? And with government off our backs, all forms of power are eradicated and man is truly free to do whatever the hell he wants for all eternity.

I'm sorry, were we talking about a health care bill?

- wolf
 
Rainsford said:
I'm not surprised that Catholics don't like birth control (duh). But I am surprised that they care more about birth control than health care coverage for students at a Catholic University. We're not talking about an abstract moral stance here, after all. They're refusing to cover ANY health care for students because they dislike covering birth control THAT much. That's a pretty extreme reaction, if you ask me.
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I'm guessing the key is that some of the medications induce abortion. That's a step beyond birth control.
 
Infohawk said:
I'm guessing the key is that some of the medications induce abortion. That's a step beyond birth control.
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I agree that it could be more of a problem, but I still think they're picking a very strange place to draw a line in the sand. I can accept that they don't like the law, but THIS response is still pretty extreme given the objection, IMO. Dropping health insurance coverage for students has a lot of negative side effects. The University is saying they don't care as much about that as they do about taking a moral stance against birth control.
 
Rainsford said:
The University is saying they don't care as much about that as they do about taking a moral stance against birth control.
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Again, I think it's the abortion that is the issue. Maybe your definition of birth control includes abortion, but I tend to think of condoms and the pill as "birth control." I don't agree with their position but I can respect it. If you have deeply held beliefs, you have to draw the line somewhere.
 
Texashiker said:
You need a prescription to get the pills.

You have to see a doctor to get a prescription.

You have to have money or insurance to see a doctor.

Then there is the cost of the pap smears and other test.
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Planned Parenthood FTW on that.

Also to others, whether or not one believes in abstinence working the Catholic stance on it is it does.

If the student doesn't feel that way they are at the wrong school.
 
senseamp said:
It's either a part of the woman's body that she has a right to remove, or it's a foreign object inside her body that she has a right to remove. You pick.
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Perhaps you could explain why a man is financially responsible when a woman ejects part of her body through her vagina?
 
Rainsford said:
Of course it's about equality...but men don't get pregnant. The woman's choice isn't just about eventually having a baby or not, it's about having the choice to NOT be pregnant for 9 months and go through giving birth at the end of that time. Since that's a choice that doesn't apply to men, your objection doesn't really make sense.
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Oh really? That doesnt seem to be what planned parenthood says:

“I might not personally choose to get an abortion, but I could never decide for another woman whether or not she was ready to become a parent.”
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thraashman said:
So, instead of offering services that they consider to be against the sacredness of life, they'll stop insuring students putting their health and life at risk. Great logic there Catholics. Boy has Catholicism as an institution been acting stupid lately.
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+1

Dear God, let's not let a woman have the pill to control the menstrual cramping God, in his infinite wisdom and kindness, cursed woman with. Let's let them all suffer.

Obama at least had the wisdom and kindness to allow them to stay on their parents plan until they are 26. Otherwise goodluck attracting students to your surely overpriced college for undervalued degrees.
 
This is an isolated incident. Many catholic affiliated institutions exist in states that require coverage for contraception. To ordinary Catholic women, this is a non-issue despite the clergy quite literally screaming bloody murder over it. The only thing that people should take away from this kerfuffle is that the USCCB, and by extension the Vatican, do not speak for the vast majority of Catholic women on this issue. If the church continues to push this policy, it will see a mass exodus in the US.

Choosing not to provide health insurance because of a state requirement that contraception be included in that coverage is hardly a life affirming position. It is in fact the opposite. The university will come around eventually.
 
Dari said:
I can't imagine why anyone would want to go to a Catholic University. Learning about Jesus all day every day will NOT get you a decent job.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse? Going to a Catholic University is not the same thing as a seminary.
Rainsford said:
I'm not surprised that Catholics don't like birth control (duh). But I am surprised that they care more about birth control than health care coverage for students at a Catholic University. We're not talking about an abstract moral stance here, after all. They're refusing to cover ANY health care for students because they dislike covering birth control THAT much. That's a pretty extreme reaction, if you ask me.
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Fair enough, but I would like to say that it is largely the clergy that oppose birth control, not the women in the pews every Sunday.
Rainsford said:
I think Catholic education has a very proud, and successful tradition. Mainly because it has always been primarily interested in educating students at all levels above and beyond what might otherwise be available. I went to a Catholic school as a kid for several grades, and the education was first rate for a lot less money than a non-religious private school would have been. We had a religion class and went to church once a week...but outside of that, a great education was clearly the goal.

The problem here is that education is obviously no longer the primary goal. When making a political or religious statement is the only thing Catholic institutions care about, that cheapens the value of Catholic education quite a bit.
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Thank you for saying this.
 
nehalem256 said:
Having the government provide "free" birth control for women is a feminist issue. FACT.
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Allowing women to purchase contraception as part of their health insurance coverage is not "free".


edit: nor does adding "FACT" to your post alter its veracity.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Everything the government does is some form of "tyranny." Because that's what government does. It desires nothing other than tyrannical control of every decision we make. We shouldn't have government. After all, who wants to be "forced" to do or not do anything, right? And with government off our backs, all forms of power are eradicated and man is truly free to do whatever the hell he wants for all eternity.

I'm sorry, were we talking about a health care bill?

- wolf
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Not really. You were talking nonsense.
 
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