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Can you use Cat6 cable in place of Cat5. It has the same RJ-45 connectors, so I was thinking you could.
I am going to network my home for internet gaming, so I was thinking for a little extra money, I would have less lag and better pings. I know it won't be much, but for FPS games a little can go a long way.
 

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Yes, it probably will not improve your performance much unless you use gigabit.
 

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Yeah I it probably ??worth while??. I heard that the average Killing might go up by .0001%

Imagine you can kill 10,001 instead of 10,000 Wow.
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Well, as much as I play it may help. Kinda like spending hours tweaking XP just to save a few seconds a day. Now, my next question. I am looking at cables right now, I have pretty much decided on Cat6. What is the difference between 568a and 568b? Oh and a great site to buy the cable from would be nice to. I don't want to get hosed on this deal. I am planning on running under my home, down the support beams, so should I make sure it is sheilded as well?
 

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Ok, lemme see if I have this figured out. If I go from the cable modem to the router. I use standard Cat6. From the router back to the PC's, I use standard Cat6 again. No crossover Cat6 involved. Correct?
 

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Originally posted by: LostInSpace927
Ok, lemme see if I have this figured out. If I go from the cable modem to the router. I use standard Cat6. From the router back to the PC's, I use standard Cat6 again. No crossover Cat6 involved. Correct?

Correct, as most WAN pots are either auto detect or uplink.
 
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ok Thx guys. I really apprecate all the help. I just wanted to make sure I knew a little about what I was going to be doing. Its always helpful before starting a project.:)
 

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Best of luck w/ your project! Sounds like you are about to have lots of gaming fun on a new connection...Cat6 won't make a difference on your lag at all, but you know, some day as networking gets faster and faster, you won't have to upgrade when everything is gigabit.
 

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LostInSpace927, cat6 vs. cat5e is a mostly different problem than 100 vs. 1000(gigabit), and only the latter should be able to affect your latency unless something's already very broken (if you currently have bad cable, fixing that is good). Gigabit might reduce your latency because the delay to move the data across the link is lower, but it might also INCREASE your latency because the 1000BaseT physical layer has inherently higher latency requirements in its designs (a whole lot of DSP voodoo going on down there). Gigabit might also be good because most gigabit NICs are just plain better designs than many 10/100 NICs, especially when compared to the cheap 10/100 NICs.

cat5e vs. cat6 is precisely an issue of the signalling specs of the cable plant, that is, bandwidth and some other electrical performance parameters. For 10, 100, or 1000, either cable will technically work. Cat6 cable will be higher-quality in general, and will have a lot more electrical performance headroom versus cat5e, so in cases where signal quality could be marginal causing frame loss on a cat5e cable system, you might not have that problem with cat6. That's the main reason to get cat6, really - better electrical performance all around, more headroom to compensate for other problems you might have.

Bottom line, though: The same two 10/100 devices over a cat5e cable and a cat6 cable, if there are no signal quality problems, will perform exactly the same. The thing cat6 buys you in this case is that there might not be signal quality problems in cases where there would be with cat5e.

EIA 568A & 568B basically have to do with what colors on the cable map to which pins on the RJ45 plug/jack. Either standard will work fine for Ethernet, either way the things that need to be paired together end up on paired together. 568B is the American standard, and 568A is for most of the rest of the world. If you wire with 568A, we'll tell all your FPS buddies that you wired up your house like a Frenchman, and I'm sure they'll express their opinion on that in an appropriate manner ;)

Running cable outside is a very bad idea unless you know what you're doing. At the very least, please enclose it in an insulated (read: plastic) conduit tubing. I strongly urge you to go down to your local Home Depot and find the guy in the electrical aisle who was an electrician for thirty years, those are the kind of guys who can tell you exactly what to get and how to do it. Just use the magic words "low voltage wiring" to explain what you're doing, or "telephone wiring" if they still get confused. "Current carrying" wiring is the primary domain of electricians and carries a MUCH stricter set of rules. Lightning is a potential problem because lightning strikes the ground and the earth potential nearby the strike can change dramatically, but if it's truly under your house it would stand to reason that lightning would hit your house, in which case you have a different problem, or hit beside your house, in which case it should be far enough away to not be as bad a problem. Water / moisture is also a problem to watch carefully for, water does all sorts of very ugly things to the performance of cable and normal indoor cable does not protect against that.

Aside: anyone know of cat5e / cat6 designed for buried service wire use, jacketed with something strong and filled with that horrible icky goo that telco BSW uses?
 
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Another thing I thought of. Is it better to put the router in the middle of the 2 pc's and run 3 50' cat6 cable or put the router next to the modem and run a 2' cat6 patch and 1 100' cat6 cable?

BTW I think both NIC cards are 10/100, will this make a difference when running cat6 cable or just like in the case of USB, it is backwards compatable?

I know I know, I have a lot of question, but at least I am putting all this to memory. This way the guys at work think I'm a computer genius, lol
 

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Originally posted by: LostInSpace927
Another thing I thought of. Is it better to put the router in the middle of the 2 pc's and run 3 50' cat6 cable or put the router next to the modem and run a 2' cat6 patch and 1 100' cat6 cable.

I doubt it would matter, but I would put it in the middle.
 

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LostInSpace927, the rule-of-thumb distance limit on 100BaseTX or 1000BaseT is 100m which is about 300', so if you're talking between 50' and 100', you're way within spec and it really shouldn't matter either way - do what's more convenient. I'd always suggest putting a DSL modem or cable modem as close to your service demarc as possible - extra inside wiring just means extra opportunity for loss, and those tend to be somewhat sensitive. (you'd think that for something already carrying a signal for miles, 50-100' more wouldn't be a big deal, but it can be the straw that breaks the camel's back, or more precisely, the noise that puts your SNR below the recovery threshhold)