Review Cascade-X Review and Availability Thread

[Hitman928]

Review embargo I believe lifts at 9 am ET so I will update this post as soon as reviews are published. As always, if there is a review you don't see in this post that you would like to have added, please PM me.

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Anandtech

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10980xe and 10920x listed on Newegg but both out of stock.

 

[heymrdj]

I really don't take AMD for a company that doesn't try to solve its own issues instead of leaving it to the general public. Our opinions may differ.
Attaboy! You show 'em good, real good.

Obviously our opinions differ on that front. Seeing as I own plenty of AMD stuff, you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. Not every company is suitable for everything. AMD has had 3 years to work on the issue with Microsoft, or issue a statement to show why it’s 100% Microsoft’s fault. Since they haven’t discussed why it’s still an issue on their own social networks, then they are still at least partially at fault.

But yeah, go team AMD! Or whatever you’re trying to pimp out.

 

[lobz]

But yeah, go team AMD! Or whatever you’re trying to pimp out.

It was nice talking to you

 

[Hitman928]

you can buy the cpus in prebuilt systems from oems. Given the shortages, of course intel is going to priortize oems vs diy channel.

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So I emailed Cyberpower and asked if they had the CPU actually in stock for system orders, this was the reply:



So OEMs don't appear to have it yet either. Wondering if they'll get it earlier than the mid-February estimate given by BH Photo.

 

[DrMrLordX]

So I emailed Cyberpower and asked if they had the CPU actually in stock for system orders, this was the reply:

Ouch. Even the OEM systems are on delay.

 

[Charlie22911]

Honestly, if someone has some kind of niche that can only be filled by this CPU, then they should get a 7980xe. Then delid it, lap the die flat, direct die cool it, and then overclock it; I've done it and its not too difficult. Seeing as how the 7980xe isn't massively different from the 10980xe, I'd be happy to run a few tests if y'all have any in mind. Cinebench + HWinfo attached.

People who need this CPU and people who are willing to go that far for the necessary cooling are equally rare IMHO. I don't think the above is that crazy if you are already crazy/spendy enough to go with the platform, but for everyone else who isn't insane there is AMD.
Oh and BTW, considering how reviewers had their embargo's moved up and how non existent these new parts are, I think it's fair to say Intel's only intent with this "refresh" was *trying* to steal thunder from AMD.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Oh and BTW, considering how reviewers had their embargo's moved up and how non existent these new parts are, I think it's fair to say Intel's only intent with this "refresh" was *trying* to steal thunder from AMD.

They wanted to avoid comparison with AMD's latest Threadrippers.

 

[Charlie22911]

They wanted to avoid comparison with AMD's latest Threadrippers.

I keep seeing this line of thought, and it just seems dubious to me. They didn't avoid anything, the comparisons still happened, and within hours of the modified embargo from Intel.

 

[lobz]

I keep seeing this line of thought, and it just seems dubious to me. They didn't avoid anything, the comparisons still happened, and within hours of the modified embargo from Intel.

Nothing dubious, just God's honest truth. Based on how hardware reviews happened up until now, it would absolutely have happened. They just didn't think the tech press would act the way they did (thankfully). Normally half a year later some dude with a couple grand googles CL-X, many of the clickbait website hits (the ones that usually come as first search hits) would have been published a couple hours before the TR3 reviews and never updated. All they'd see would be how fast and brutally cost-efficient CL-X is compared to TR2 - which it isn't, not by a long shot. Linus and Steve (Gamers Nexus) explain this much better than me and my autodidact English Just watch the first couple of minutes of their CL-X review videos.

 

[Zucker2k]

They wanted to avoid comparison with AMD's latest Threadrippers.

How so? All Intel did was lift the embargo. The sensible thing for reviewers would've been to wait the few hours - like AnandTech did. Intel didn't order any reviewer to publish their results, and most indeed published hours later to accommodate the TR2s.

 

[coercitiv]

How so? All Intel did was lift the embargo. The sensible thing for reviewers would've been to wait the few hours - like AnandTech did. Intel didn't order any reviewer to publish their results, and most indeed published hours later to accommodate the TR2s.

Faking ignorance does not become you.

Reviewer income is greatly influenced by publishing content immediately after embargo lift. Video content for instance is extremely susceptible to generating significantly more revenue if launched early, as the algorithms pick up content with high interest and push it further, sometimes multiplying revenue exponentially. Intel knew exactly what kind of pressure they were putting on reviewers, especially YouTube channels.

What they didn't realize is YouTube reviewers can also sell drama, so a number of known channels did videos about Intel's shady tactic instead. Boomerang marketing at it's finest.

Here's the Jayztwocents review for Intel Core i9-10980XE:

 

[lobz]

How so? All Intel did was lift the embargo. The sensible thing for reviewers would've been to wait the few hours - like AnandTech did. Intel didn't order any reviewer to publish their results, and most indeed published hours later to accommodate the TR2s.

I'm sure everyone missed that you must have been just joking

 

[Charlie22911]

I think the way Linus and his team handled it was genius. Watch the video, and notice the blurred portions of their graphs, that was the new threadripper. Genius way to throw shade at Intel without technically breaking AMDs embargo.

 

[amrnuke]

How so? All Intel did was lift the embargo. The sensible thing for reviewers would've been to wait the few hours - like AnandTech did. Intel didn't order any reviewer to publish their results, and most indeed published hours later to accommodate the TR2s.

@Zucker2k TR2s have been out for over a year. So of course they'd include the TR2s in the result regardless of when the TR3 embargo was lifted.

 

[Zucker2k]

@Zucker2k TR2s have been out for over a year. So of course they'd include the TR2s in the result regardless of when the TR3 embargo was lifted.

Oooops! I meant TR3s. Hehe

Edit: So Intel's flagship HEDT chip can't enjoy a few hours of glory before the AMD takeover at the top end? What stopped AMD from lifting theirs immediately after the news broke? Most reviewers had both Intel and AMD HEDT reviews ready to go. This would've been the perfect time to justifiably break an NDA without fear of reprisals since it's clear AMD planned all along to rain on Intel's HEDT parade.

 

[coercitiv]

Edit: So Intel's flagship HEDT chip can't enjoy a few hours of glory before the AMD takeover at the top end? What stopped AMD from lifting theirs immediately after the news broke? Most reviewers had both Intel and AMD HEDT reviews ready to go. This would've been the perfect time to justifiably break an NDA without fear of reprisals since it's clear AMD planned all along to rain on Intel's HEDT parade.

Nah, it was way better to watch Intel marketing shoot themselves in the foot with this maneuver.

 

[Topweasel]

Oooops! I meant TR3s. Hehe

Edit: So Intel's flagship HEDT chip can't enjoy a few hours of glory before the AMD takeover at the top end? What stopped AMD from lifting theirs immediately after the news broke? Most reviewers had both Intel and AMD HEDT reviews ready to go. This would've been the perfect time to justifiably break an NDA without fear of reprisals since it's clear AMD planned all along to rain on Intel's HEDT parade.

Because moving forward embargo times last second is a frowned upon situation to begin with, why add to the confusion? Also its quite possible that the decision makers weren't in the office and doing an all hands on deck meeting to talk about moving up the embargo on a saturday (because Intel announced the move late Friday early Saturday) over the 6 our discrepancy wasn't deemed worth it. Keep in mind that all the execs involved in Intel's move probably had weeks to okay it and only needed some intern to press a button after everyone went home. That wouldn't have applied to AMD (which is why Intel did it the way they did).

 

[Jorgp2]

Damn, this place is a redacted.

Even worse than reddit.

We have a zero tolerance policy for profanity in the tech sub-forums.
Don't do it again.

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[lobz]

Damn, this place is a redacted.

Even worse than reddit.

You know, you don't have to write it down here what you see every time you look around in your room...

 

[Markfw]

10980XE performance on Linux...

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Core for core, I don't see any problem here. Plus, Intel shows much value here; and once overclocked, it gets even better. It's difficult to use "Intel" and "value" in the same sentence but for all the flack that's been directed at Intel for lack of innovation and so on, the above image is testament to the legendary staying power of the skylake microarchitecture and the 14nm process.

Intel has nowhere to go, but up, and AMD is not holding out on putting out the best they can as soon as they can. This means Intel has no choice but to throw everything they can at the competition as soon as they can. Things are going to get interesting soon enough.

No 3950x on that chart. It beats the 10980xe most of the time and is less expensive.

But maybe thats why you chose that chart.

Edit: and the 3950x does not come with any HSF.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Damn, this place is a redacted.

Even worse than reddit.

Heavy says:

 

[inf64]

Dead On Arrival: Intel i9-10900X CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. 3900X, 3950X, 9900K

Basically this X part is DOA ... Pretty sad that even at 5Ghz this part is not that competitive vs 3900X.