Carter Page was target of FBI FISA warrant

Grooveriding

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Russia-Trump campaign ties are fake news. There is and was nothing to it!

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Humpy

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Trump's kind of an asshole for blowing up this guy's game to score political points.

You'd think being a target in an investigation is something you'd want to keep quiet, especially if you're innocent and are pretty sure there would never be any charges.
 

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I continue to be amused at the outrage among the left coexisting with "there is no proof of a quid pro quo" for Hillary taking millions from these same Russians.
 

alien42

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I continue to be amused at the outrage among the left coexisting with "there is no proof of a quid pro quo" for Hillary taking millions from these same Russians.

maybe because Hillary didn't take millions from those same Russians.

your stream of anti-Hillary and anti-Rice bullshit tonight is insane.

but don't forget, this thread is about CARTER PAGE.

how exactly did a partisan fool who spreads BS and can't even stay on topic end up with elite status?
 
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JSt0rm

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maybe because Hillary didn't take millions from those same Russians.

your stream of anti-Hillary and anti-Rice bullshit tonight is insane.

but don't forget, this thread is about CARTER PAGE.

how exactly did a partisan fool who spreads BS and can't even stay on topic end up with elite status?

You never met elite retard?
 

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I continue to be amused at the outrage among the left coexisting with "there is no proof of a quid pro quo" for Hillary taking millions from these same Russians.

This analogy is so bad, in so many ways. And for the record, I'm not yet convinced there was a quid pro quo as between the Trump campaign and these Russians. I just think the circumstances are suspicious and I think the matter ought to be investigated. Apparently the FBI thinks so too. Funny they never investigated Clinton over all those donations to her charity. Yet they did investigate her over the e-mails.
 

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I continue to be amused at the outrage among the left coexisting with "there is no proof of a quid pro quo" for Hillary taking millions from these same Russians.

Why? You would have to be exceptionally stupid to think otherwise. What you're accusing Clinton of is a serious crime. If the FBI believes there was a significant probability that Clinton committed such a crime you bet your ass they would be investigating her, much like they are investigating possible Trump administration collusion with the Russians. They aren't. To equate something that the FBI believes has probable cause for a crime with something the FBI does not believe has probable cause for a crime is so dumb I can't believe it has to be explained.

It seems you're doing the usual werepossum thing where you decide something is true despite having no evidence and then think everyone else is biased for not similarly deluding themselves.
 

Jhhnn

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I continue to be amused at the outrage among the left coexisting with "there is no proof of a quid pro quo" for Hillary taking millions from these same Russians.

And here we are, presented with an off topic lie so outrageous that it has to be addressed before we can move on.

How Trumpian of you.
 
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I continue to be amused at the outrage among the left coexisting with "there is no proof of a quid pro quo" for Hillary taking millions from these same Russians.

A) There is no proof or even a decent amount of smoke but we'll agree to disagree

B) She released years upon years of tax returns and financial statements

C) She's not the President
 
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No link but I heard the Russians called him a simple idiot too. I'd guess that's another name for a useful idiot.
 

Jhhnn

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A) There is no proof or even a decent amount of smoke but we'll agree to disagree

B) She released years upon years of tax returns and financial statements

C) She's not the President

Werepossum knew it was bullshit when he put it out there. It's the usual red herring.
 

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FWIW they hand out those warrants like banana stickers in preschool. Bring the teacher your crudely drawn 3-legged green elephant and get your "A" for the day (FISA warrant to surveil).



This is obviously not quite the case for famous people and politicians, but for us plebs that's how it goes. No way to say whether Page is guilty just from this.
 

Jhhnn

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FWIW they hand out those warrants like banana stickers in preschool. Bring the teacher your crudely drawn 3-legged green elephant and get your "A" for the day (FISA warrant to surveil).



This is obviously not quite the case for famous people and politicians, but for us plebs that's how it goes. No way to say whether Page is guilty just from this.

Bullshit. It's obvious you either didn't read or didn't comprehend the link in the OP.
 

Pens1566

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FWIW they hand out those warrants like banana stickers in preschool. Bring the teacher your crudely drawn 3-legged green elephant and get your "A" for the day (FISA warrant to surveil).



This is obviously not quite the case for famous people and politicians, but for us plebs that's how it goes. No way to say whether Page is guilty just from this.

Eh, not really. This isn't a search warrant granted by a local magistrate because he's golfing buddies with ADA. Yes they are almost always granted, but that is likely due to the many steps/checks required in order to get to the point of actually going to the judge for it. There are many steps inside the FBI, then a separate set of sign offs at DoJ in order to be heard at the FISC. The judge is one of several selected by the Chief Justice on a rotating basis. So yeah, it's pretty thoroughly vetted by the time it gets "real".

IMO, Page is fucked. Either way.
 

thraashman

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Eh, not really. This isn't a search warrant granted by a local magistrate because he's golfing buddies with ADA. Yes they are almost always granted, but that is likely due to the many steps/checks required in order to get to the point of actually going to the judge for it. There are many steps inside the FBI, then a separate set of sign offs at DoJ in order to be heard at the FISC. The judge is one of several selected by the Chief Justice on a rotating basis. So yeah, it's pretty thoroughly vetted by the time it gets "real".

IMO, Page is fucked. Either way.
If this gets close enough to indictment where it might reflect badly on Trump and/or Congressional Republicans, one of them will find a way to tank the investigation. They've been doing it for a while after all. People like McConnell, Ryan, Nunes have absolutely no morals and will do anything regardless of illegality or ethics to advance their own position.
 
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If this gets close enough to indictment where it might reflect badly on Trump and/or Congressional Republicans, one of them will find a way to tank the investigation. They've been doing it for a while after all. People like McConnell, Ryan, Nunes have absolutely no morals and will do anything regardless of illegality or ethics to advance their own position.

One of who? This is FBI, not one of the committees. Non-political career service.
 

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If this gets close enough to indictment where it might reflect badly on Trump and/or Congressional Republicans, one of them will find a way to tank the investigation. They've been doing it for a while after all. People like McConnell, Ryan, Nunes have absolutely no morals and will do anything regardless of illegality or ethics to advance their own position.

They might try to torpedo any Congressional investigations (arguably that was Nunes' role -- try to distract from the core investigation), but they can't stop the FBI and intelligence agencies from doing their job. If there's evidence of wrongdoing, it will come out.
 
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And Nunes is a spectator at this point. He should be most concerned with keeping his head down and doing all he can to fend off his ethics investigation and anything further that comes out of it.
 

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If this gets close enough to indictment where it might reflect badly on Trump and/or Congressional Republicans, one of them will find a way to tank the investigation. They've been doing it for a while after all. People like McConnell, Ryan, Nunes have absolutely no morals and will do anything regardless of illegality or ethics to advance their own position.
I believe that what you say is the way the truth looks on the surface, what you see if you have been watching conservatives in action, but I see something deeper, I believe, a fact of human psychology, that puts it in a different light. Conservatives more than liberals come from authoritarian households where virtues derive from absolute religious texts, where there are clear cut lines that determine an absolute good and an absolute evil with reward and punishment distributed accordingly. We can call them carrot and stick people. Their moral values are based on hope and fear, an absolute believe in an absolute good and a terror of some monstrous evil.

The only escape from the horror of such a life of endless tension is in certainty. Once you convince yourself of your own absolute inner good everything is fine. The internal anxiety can be suppressed. So what you call no morals and a willingness to do anything is really certainty that their ends justify any means. This is what it means to know what is right. It is the same with the authoritarian left.

Because we cannot face our childhood traumatic fears we build a world in which we are forced to relive them. We are trying to get back to our original selves, by recreating the traumatic events all over again in the world today rather than reliving them as they happened long ago in the past. It is what we are unconsciously driven to do, to create the hell we feel we deserve and which our certainty is there to mask.

I mention this because there is a way out but it is the last place anybody wants to go.
 

zinfamous

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No link but I heard the Russians called him a simple idiot too. I'd guess that's another name for a useful idiot.

The CIA used to classify these types as "retarded agents." In the spirit of anti-PC Trumpian "Fuck your feelings!", I'm going to stick with calling Carter Page and Trump retarded agents, because that's already how the CIA has them classified.

lol: our president is officially a retarded agent.

Sad!