carry concealed guns in Colorado without a permit passes house 40-25

[Veliko]

Didn't realize we were talking about their gun control laws. Let's stick to the US shall we?

More specifically we are talking about gun control in Colorado yet you brought up other cities and States because it suited you. Ignoring further examples just because it doesn't support your stance is rather ignorant.

 

[Veliko]

I see a high rate of mugging by other weapons.

Where do you see this high rate?

 

[Unheard]

Where do you see this high rate?

I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said other weapons. How about guns..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...s-weapons-and-drugs-flood-British-cities.html

Seems to work real well for them, that whole gun banning thing.

 

[Unheard]

As for Germany, one of their largest supporters of gun control? You guessed it....

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to posses arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so." -Adolph Hitler 1938

But Germany for the record does not completely ban guns.

 

[Unheard]

And since we are looking across the pond, how about Switzerland? Almost every man of age there owns a rifle, and you don't see blood in the streets.

An example of this in the US is where I am sitting right now @ work. Kennesaw, GA mandates that all residents own a firearm. You don't see the wild wild west here either.

Gun control to prevent crime is a farce. It's just a matter of time before the sheep that support it realize this.

 

[classy]

Criminals are going to carry concealed regardless. I support this. :thumbsup:

Its not the "criminals" per-say that are running around shooting and killing people. Maybe when some of you can get that through those huge, empty, and thick skulls, you'll realize how dumb this really is. This is not the Wild Wild West..................

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I hope Texas follows suit.

I do too. My renewal is coming up.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Its not the "criminals" per-say that are running around shooting and killing people. Maybe when some of you can get that through those huge, empty, and thick skulls, you'll realize how dumb this really is. This is not the Wild Wild West..................

Um, yes it is the criminals that are shooting and killing people. IF you shoot someone without legal justification or affirmative defense, then you are a CRIMINAL.

To act like people that carry a gun for self defense are the ones in the wrong is completely illogical.
The only thing a permit does is stop law abiding citizens from carrying a gun.
The 3 time convict doesn't give a crap about some stupid law and is going to carry a gun anyways.

BTW, in the "wild west" the only people that openly carried guns where outlaws and lawmen. Most people didn't carry guns strapped to their legs back then.
TV/Movies does not equate to reality.

 

[classy]

Um, yes it is the criminals that are shooting and killing people. IF you shoot someone without legal justification or affirmative defense, then you are a CRIMINAL.

To act like people that carry a gun for self defense are the ones in the wrong is completely illogical.
The only thing a permit does is stop law abiding citizens from carrying a gun.
The 3 time convict doesn't give a crap about some stupid law and is going to carry a gun anyways.

Here is the problem, the people running around committing these mass shootings are not criminals. They ain't drug dealers, robbers, thieves, or pimps. They are students, school professors, and everyday ordinary people until someone gave them a gun and they flipped. Many had never even gotten a traffic fine. The criminals are the least of our problems.....

 

[xj0hnx]

depends on why they were denied. i bet most of there were denied because of a drug charge for getting caught with a joint 20+ years ago. also remember that its up to each counties sheriff on the approval. some sheriff's are liberal about it like mine and others are strict as hell like the Denver sheriff.

The drug thing it would depend on where it was at, the misdemeanor status changes state to state. Here a friend of mine was busted with some weed, did his probabation, and can now own a firearm as his charge was only a class C misdemeanor, a B or A would have resulted in him not being able to own.

 

[spidey07]

Here is the problem, the people running around committing these mass shootings are not criminals. They ain't drug dealers, robbers, thieves, or pimps. They are students, school professors, and everyday ordinary people until someone gave them a gun and they flipped. Many had never even gotten a traffic fine. The criminals are the least of our problems.....

Quoted to show just how fucked up you are in the head. As a black man you should be concerned about the murder of black men by other black men with guns and yet you focus on the white guy. Fucking racist.

 

[xj0hnx]

What 'places' are these? There are plenty of Westernised nations that have strict gun controls - Japan being the most strict - that are not 'bad'.

We are talking about America, put on your big boy thinking hat.

 

[classy]

Quoted to show just how fucked up you are in the head. As a black man you should be concerned about the murder of black men by other black men with guns and yet you focus on the white guy. Fucking racist.

Hey genius, tell me what does black on black crime have to do with allowing people to carry concealed with no permit? Explain that to me, you fool? This has nothing to do with race. But since thats all you got, well actually that is all you ever have, I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering you couldn't rub two sense together, even if I gave you two pennies.

 

[xj0hnx]

I do too. My renewal is coming up.

I've got a year+ left till mine, but it's only $70 to renew, mine $35 being a veteran

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/feesReqDocs.pdf

 

[xj0hnx]

Hey genius, tell me what does black on black crime have to do with allowing people to carry concealed with no permit? Explain that to me, you fool? This has nothing to do with race. But since thats all you got, well actually that is all you ever have, I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering you couldn't rub two sense together, even if I gave you two pennies.

I think he was making a statement to the fact that these well publicized incidents you spoke of are nothing in relation to the amount of violence in the black community, and that you somehow thinking they are relevant to anything is messed up. But that's just a guess, Spidey is a little out there.

 

[spidey07]

I think he was making a statement to the fact that these well publicized incidents you spoke of are nothing in relation to the amount of violence in the black community, and that you somehow thinking they are relevant to anything is messed up. But that's just a guess, Spidey is a little out there.

Correct. A racist will show his hatred in how he thinks. Classy focusing on a few isolated incidents by white people, while ignoring completely the violence committed by blacks is a long line of deep seated racism and ignorant hatred.

 

[xj0hnx]

And since we are looking across the pond, how about Switzerland? Almost every man of age there owns a rifle, and you don't see blood in the streets.

An example of this in the US is where I am sitting right now @ work. Kennesaw, GA mandates that all residents own a firearm. You don't see the wild wild west here either.

Gun control to prevent crime is a farce. It's just a matter of time before the sheep that support it realize this.

But let's be fair, you are in the home of RPB (Marietta), one of the former prime manufactures or the M10A1, next to Powder Springs.

 

[Munky]

Its all fine and dandy until people start shooting each other over all kinds of little things.

Scenario

Everyone has a gun.

Man A sees someone shooting someone from a building corner. He does his civic duty and puts this miscreant down (man B) with his own firearm. There by eliminating the threat to the local civilians.

Until it is revealed seconds later man B was defending himself from man C (who was getting dangerously close to man B's gas tank). Man D inside the gas station witnesses the entire thing and guns down man A -to defend the people.

We dont live in the wild west people.

There are specific laws when you can and can't use firearms, and anyone who has taken a basic gun training course will know. All this wild wild west scare tactic looks just like any other lefty gun control propaganda.

 

[classy]

Correct. A racist will show his hatred in how he thinks. Classy focusing on a few isolated incidents by white people, while ignoring completely the violence committed by blacks is a long line of deep seated racism and ignorant hatred.

You are truly an idiot. You seriously need medication. This bill has nothing to do with color. Umm I do believe one of the latest shootings was a black dude who gunned down several people at his job. Putting more guns in the hands of people does not work. Instead it will create an even more dangerous enviroment. Get this Spidey, I live in the same, check that probably a better house and neighborhood than you. Two gang bangers will still kill themselves in the hood, where I don't live, ain't never gonna live. But walking through the mall with some pyscho path like you carrying a concealed weapon is what I am afraid of.

 

[xj0hnx]

But walking through the mall with some pyscho path like you carrying a concealed weapon is what I am afraid of.

And one could count the number of times a psycho has taken to the mall with a gun, probably without employing their toes, on their two hands, while the number of times a psycho/drunk/idiot is given a license, and a two ton vehicle would require the use of your entire extended family and their friends hands and feet to count. None of that changes the fact that no matter how many laws you make, NOTHING changes for criminals that do not follow laws.

 

[spidey07]

You are truly an idiot. You seriously need medication. This bill has nothing to do with color. Umm I do believe one of the latest shootings was a black dude who gunned down several people at his job. Putting more guns in the hands of people does not work. Instead it will create an even more dangerous enviroment. Get this Spidey, I live in the same, check that probably a better house and neighborhood than you. Two gang bangers will still kill themselves in the hood, where I don't live, ain't never gonna live. But walking through the mall with some pyscho path like you carrying a concealed weapon is what I am afraid of.

It's an irrational fear. See here's the deal, people that LEGALLY carry tend to want to KEEP that constitutional right to defend themselves. Committing any kind of crime with a firearm is normally an automatic FELONY, which means you can no longer possess, purchase or be around firearms.

Criminals don't care, they are already felons or criminals so why would they have any reason to carry a weapon legally? Hell, they can't even own one legally let alone carry. Only thing they're worried about is getting caught. So how do all these criminals carry guns if it's illegal to do so?

THEY'RE CRIMINALS!

 

[classy]

And one could count the number of times a psycho has taken to the mall with a gun, probably without employing their toes, on their two hands, while the number of times a psycho/drunk/idiot is given a license, and a two ton vehicle would require the use of your entire extended family and their friends hands and feet to count. None of that changes the fact that no matter how many laws you make, NOTHING changes for criminals that do not follow laws.

Having a serious discussion, these people were not criminals though. Thats the problem. I have said for years, the criminals, from the hood (bad people in general), are always going to commit crimes with guns. That is not going to change. The problem we have, is not them, is the everyday person, who now is armed and for whatever reason shoots somebody or unfortunately several people. That is the real issue. How do keep law abiding people from becoming gun slingers. We are losing that battle. Clearly losing.....................

 

[spidey07]

Having a serious discussion, these people were not criminals though. Thats the problem. I have said for years, the criminals, from the hood (bad people in general), are always going to commit crimes with guns. That is not going to change. The problem we have, is not them, is the everyday person, who now is armed and for whatever reason shoots somebody or unfortunately several people. That is the real issue. How do keep law abiding people from becoming gun slingers. We are losing that battle. Clearly losing.....................

What the fuck? This is how you really think isn't it?

 

[Scotteq]

Having a serious discussion, these people were not criminals though. Thats the problem. I have said for years, the criminals, from the hood (bad people in general), are always going to commit crimes with guns. That is not going to change. The problem we have, is not them, is the everyday person, who now is armed and for whatever reason shoots somebody or unfortunately several people. That is the real issue. How do keep law abiding people from becoming gun slingers. We are losing that battle. Clearly losing.....................

The fact that you think lawful citizens are the problem and yet give a pass to the criminals tells me everything I need to know: You, Sir, are out of your mind.

Disarming the lawful public only serves to give criminals the certaintude that their victims *will* be unarmed.

 

[xj0hnx]

Having a serious discussion, these people were not criminals though. Thats the problem. I have said for years, the criminals, from the hood (bad people in general), are always going to commit crimes with guns. That is not going to change. The problem we have, is not them, is the everyday person, who now is armed and for whatever reason shoots somebody or unfortunately several people. That is the real issue. How do keep law abiding people from becoming gun slingers. We are losing that battle. Clearly losing.....................

This has not materialized, it is a red herring brought out to scare mindless sheep. Putting a gun in someones hand doesn't make them a crazed murder. Besides the fact that its our right to defend ourselves, and the second amendment has been upheld as an individual right, it is in no one's self interest to have an unarmed population out of fear that someone could get shot, that's just stupid, especially considering the amount of actual criminals that kill people.