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Carricatures of Mohammed...

DaFinn

Diamond Member
Not going into peoples right to say/publish anything they will. Personally I think its wrong to label entire religion by the actions of few.

BUT ON THE SAME NOTE, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD IS CURRENTLY DOING THEIR BEST TO PROVE THE CARRICATURES WERE INFACT CORRECT!!! 🙁

 
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Not going into peoples right to say/publish anything they will. Personally I think its wrong to label entire religion by the actions of few.

BUT ON THE SAME NOTE, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD IS CURRENTLY DOING THEIR BEST TO PROVE THE CARRICATURES WERE INFACT CORRECT!!! 🙁

Is there some news site or a thread here you are making reference to?

 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Not going into peoples right to say/publish anything they will. Personally I think its wrong to label entire religion by the actions of few.

BUT ON THE SAME NOTE, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE ENTIRE MUSLIM WORLD IS CURRENTLY DOING THEIR BEST TO PROVE THE CARRICATURES WERE INFACT CORRECT!!! 🙁

Is there some news site or a thread here you are making reference to?

Any news / threads including the words "carricature" and "Mohammed". Plenty to choose from.

Just putting my current thoughts into writing...
 
First of all, stop yelling. Secondly, you seem like you are baiting for flames. What is your agenda with this thread?
 
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
First of all, stop yelling. Secondly, you seem like you are baiting for flames. What is your agenda with this thread?

Not baiting for flames. Just feeling sorry, that all the reactions from muslim world is only strenghtening the image portraid in these carricatures.
 
There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world

Let millions of them act barbaric and psycho.

There are still plenty out there with brains.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world

Let millions of them act barbaric and psycho.

There are still plenty out there with brains.

I'm not talking about that. The governments of muslim countries want Danish government to apologize??? Which it ofcourse cannot do, not on behalf of an independent newspaper, in a country where what it did was not wrong! (Just bad judgement, and the newspaper DID apologize)

Now many muslim GOVERNEMENTS are condemning Denmark for not apologizing, adding more fuel to the flames.

If in the muslims view a single newspaper is representative of a country, then in my view several muslim governments are representative of the muslim world.
 
If in the muslims view a single newspaper is representative of a country, then in my view several muslim governments are representative of the muslim world.

well put... i disagree of course, but it's still the best argument FOR stereotyping that i've ever seen regarding Muslim descrimination... alot of their leadership do seem to bring it on themselves.
 
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Originally posted by: Aimster
There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world

Let millions of them act barbaric and psycho.

There are still plenty out there with brains.

I'm not talking about that. The governments of muslim countries want Danish government to apologize??? Which it ofcourse cannot do, not on behalf of an independent newspaper, in a country where what it did was not wrong! (Just bad judgement, and the newspaper DID apologize)

Now many muslim GOVERNEMENTS are condemning Denmark for not apologizing, adding more fuel to the flames.

If in the muslims view a single newspaper is representative of a country, then in my view several muslim governments are representative of the muslim world.

Not many Muslim countries are democratic meaning they were not elected by the people

meaning

they are just a bunch of morons whose opinions/views do not really reflect on the majority of their populations.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Originally posted by: Aimster
There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world

Let millions of them act barbaric and psycho.

There are still plenty out there with brains.

I'm not talking about that. The governments of muslim countries want Danish government to apologize??? Which it ofcourse cannot do, not on behalf of an independent newspaper, in a country where what it did was not wrong! (Just bad judgement, and the newspaper DID apologize)

Now many muslim GOVERNEMENTS are condemning Denmark for not apologizing, adding more fuel to the flames.

If in the muslims view a single newspaper is representative of a country, then in my view several muslim governments are representative of the muslim world.

Not many Muslim countries are democratic meaning they were not elected by the people

meaning

they are just a bunch of morons whose opinions/views do not really reflect on the majority of their populations.

Poor logic there, Aimster. An unelected government is perfectly capable of having religious views that are in line with the general population of the country. I would suspect that these governments are cheerfully pandering to the anti-West attitude that's already present.
 
Apparently the UAE cut trading with Denmark after those were printed. It seems Muslim countries need to be able to take criticism of their religion. You don't have to sh!t a brick when someone makes fun of you, the better man will actually have at the joke directed at him.
 
For me, it's just one more example of the Muslim leadership throwing rationality out the window in favor of extremism.

how do you combat irrationality with logic and reason? THAT is the question of the times!
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Originally posted by: Aimster
There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world

Let millions of them act barbaric and psycho.

There are still plenty out there with brains.

I'm not talking about that. The governments of muslim countries want Danish government to apologize??? Which it ofcourse cannot do, not on behalf of an independent newspaper, in a country where what it did was not wrong! (Just bad judgement, and the newspaper DID apologize)

Now many muslim GOVERNEMENTS are condemning Denmark for not apologizing, adding more fuel to the flames.

If in the muslims view a single newspaper is representative of a country, then in my view several muslim governments are representative of the muslim world.

Not many Muslim countries are democratic meaning they were not elected by the people

meaning

they are just a bunch of morons whose opinions/views do not really reflect on the majority of their populations.

Maybe I would say that was true if there were some Muslim leaders pretty much anywhere in the world who were not screaming and yelling and demanding the apology from the danish, and condemning the concept of the right of the newspaper to print the articles.

But I would have to think that the anger here is universal, it's not a matter of stereotyping, it's a fundamental crossing of cultural boundaries. To muslims worldwide this is a massive transgression against the most basic of principals. It could be compared to the way the catholic church views for example homosexuality... x 1.2 billion people.

To me it seems like the culture clash between Muslims and the rest of the world could eventually be catastrophic. Their cultural norms cross fundamentally with our own to the point that the liberal among us go so far as to condemn us for saying things about muslims that for most muslims are in fact true and they really don't have a problem with being true.

Simply the concept that one is willing to blow themselves up "among the enemy" as legitimate resistance. The majority of the muslim world DOES in fact see this as legitimate resistance. This concept is no more controversial in their society than gay rights or abortion are in ours.

The concept that the world should become muslim, and Sharia should eventually govern the world. These are widely accepted concepts.

Most muslims FROM the muslim world don't really see anything wrong with these.

Just like we view it being ok to print stories, or show pictures of things that Islam says is forbidden. We think nothing of publishing a caricature of god, or anyone else some in our society may see as sacred. Even when it's offensive, the most people will do is complain about it, write letters and get upset. It is seen as poor taste, but certainly not illegal. In a muslim society it's debateable whether the offense warrants the death penalty or some other criminal sentence.

It is a fundamental difference in cultural norms. And I think in the end the result will be catastrophic.

-Max
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Originally posted by: Aimster
There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world

Let millions of them act barbaric and psycho.

There are still plenty out there with brains.

I'm not talking about that. The governments of muslim countries want Danish government to apologize??? Which it ofcourse cannot do, not on behalf of an independent newspaper, in a country where what it did was not wrong! (Just bad judgement, and the newspaper DID apologize)

Now many muslim GOVERNEMENTS are condemning Denmark for not apologizing, adding more fuel to the flames.

If in the muslims view a single newspaper is representative of a country, then in my view several muslim governments are representative of the muslim world.

Not many Muslim countries are democratic meaning they were not elected by the people

meaning

they are just a bunch of morons whose opinions/views do not really reflect on the majority of their populations.

Maybe I would say that was true if there were some Muslim leaders pretty much anywhere in the world who were not screaming and yelling and demanding the apology from the danish, and condemning the concept of the right of the newspaper to print the articles.

But I would have to think that the anger here is universal, it's not a matter of stereotyping, it's a fundamental crossing of cultural boundaries. To muslims worldwide this is a massive transgression against the most basic of principals. It could be compared to the way the catholic church views for example homosexuality... x 1.2 billion people.

To me it seems like the culture clash between Muslims and the rest of the world could eventually be catastrophic. Their cultural norms cross fundamentally with our own to the point that the liberal among us go so far as to condemn us for saying things about muslims that for most muslims are in fact true and they really don't have a problem with being true.

Simply the concept that one is willing to blow themselves up "among the enemy" as legitimate resistance. The majority of the muslim world DOES in fact see this as legitimate resistance. This concept is no more controversial in their society than gay rights or abortion are in ours.

The concept that the world should become muslim, and Sharia should eventually govern the world. These are widely accepted concepts.

Most muslims FROM the muslim world don't really see anything wrong with these.

Just like we view it being ok to print stories, or show pictures of things that Islam says is forbidden. We think nothing of publishing a caricature of god, or anyone else some in our society may see as sacred. Even when it's offensive, the most people will do is complain about it, write letters and get upset. It is seen as poor taste, but certainly not illegal. In a muslim society it's debateable whether the offense warrants the death penalty or some other criminal sentence.

It is a fundamental difference in cultural norms. And I think in the end the result will be catastrophic.

-Max

VERY well said!

So with all of that as a reference, how should two parties, with irrevocable differences in concepts such as logic, reason, and rationality, come to an agreement?

How should the western world, one founded on strong principles of logic and reason, debate and negotiate with a seemingly irrational opposition?
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Originally posted by: Aimster
There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world

Let millions of them act barbaric and psycho.

There are still plenty out there with brains.

I'm not talking about that. The governments of muslim countries want Danish government to apologize??? Which it ofcourse cannot do, not on behalf of an independent newspaper, in a country where what it did was not wrong! (Just bad judgement, and the newspaper DID apologize)

Now many muslim GOVERNEMENTS are condemning Denmark for not apologizing, adding more fuel to the flames.

If in the muslims view a single newspaper is representative of a country, then in my view several muslim governments are representative of the muslim world.

Not many Muslim countries are democratic meaning they were not elected by the people

meaning

they are just a bunch of morons whose opinions/views do not really reflect on the majority of their populations.

Maybe I would say that was true if there were some Muslim leaders pretty much anywhere in the world who were not screaming and yelling and demanding the apology from the danish, and condemning the concept of the right of the newspaper to print the articles.

But I would have to think that the anger here is universal, it's not a matter of stereotyping, it's a fundamental crossing of cultural boundaries. To muslims worldwide this is a massive transgression against the most basic of principals. It could be compared to the way the catholic church views for example homosexuality... x 1.2 billion people.

To me it seems like the culture clash between Muslims and the rest of the world could eventually be catastrophic. Their cultural norms cross fundamentally with our own to the point that the liberal among us go so far as to condemn us for saying things about muslims that for most muslims are in fact true and they really don't have a problem with being true.

Simply the concept that one is willing to blow themselves up "among the enemy" as legitimate resistance. The majority of the muslim world DOES in fact see this as legitimate resistance. This concept is no more controversial in their society than gay rights or abortion are in ours.

The concept that the world should become muslim, and Sharia should eventually govern the world. These are widely accepted concepts.

Most muslims FROM the muslim world don't really see anything wrong with these.

Just like we view it being ok to print stories, or show pictures of things that Islam says is forbidden. We think nothing of publishing a caricature of god, or anyone else some in our society may see as sacred. Even when it's offensive, the most people will do is complain about it, write letters and get upset. It is seen as poor taste, but certainly not illegal. In a muslim society it's debateable whether the offense warrants the death penalty or some other criminal sentence.

It is a fundamental difference in cultural norms. And I think in the end the result will be catastrophic.

-Max

VERY well said!

So with all of that as a reference, how should two parties, with irrevocable differences in concepts such as logic, reason, and rationality, come to an agreement?

How should the western world, one founded on strong principles of logic and reason, debate and negotiate with a seemingly irrational opposition?

They (both sides) can't and they won't.

That is the truth and that is the problem.

It's oil and water.

It's like getting a vegen and a carnivore to share a single item meal...it can't and won't happen.


 
Summing up the cultural rift between Islam and the West, imam Ahmed Abu Laban told worshippers at Friday prayers in a Copenhagen mosque: ?In the West, freedom of speech is sacred; To us, the prophet is sacred.?

^from that article^
 
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: LordSegan
"Behead those who insult Islam"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060203-1209-prophetdebate-europe.html

This is what we are dealing with I guess....

I think we have treated these people with kid gloves long enough...

...I think its time to take off the gloves.

Yeah! Lets kill some brown people, that'll make them respect us!! Just like we respect them more when they kill us. Let's Roll!

You're amazing. :thumbsup: 😀
 
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: LordSegan
"Behead those who insult Islam"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060203-1209-prophetdebate-europe.html

This is what we are dealing with I guess....

I think we have treated these people with kid gloves long enough...

...I think its time to take off the gloves.

Yeah! Lets kill some brown people, that'll make them respect us!! Just like we respect them more when they kill us. Let's Roll!

You're amazing. :thumbsup: 😀
They understand nothing but violence it seems. The reason they are this arrogant, is because the west has been so (relatively) humane towards them.
 
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: LordSegan
"Behead those who insult Islam"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060203-1209-prophetdebate-europe.html

This is what we are dealing with I guess....

I think we have treated these people with kid gloves long enough...

...I think its time to take off the gloves.

Yeah! Lets kill some brown people, that'll make them respect us!! Just like we respect them more when they kill us. Let's Roll!

You're amazing. :thumbsup: 😀
They understand nothing but violence it seems. The reason they are this arrogant, is because the west has been so (relatively) humane towards them.

I just think its time, that if they pull another 9/11 or worse, we take care of it right and no more touchy-feely sensitivity crap.

 
I have a question...Do Muslims know how Muhammad look like? Because I know that Muslims are not to draw any pictures or caricatures of Muhammad which is lead to my theory that these people shouldn't able to tell who was in the cartoon.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20060203-1209-prophetdebate-europe.html
I read this article and man it pissed me off. These people should be arrested because look at those banners...they are sorta direct threat to people of Europe.
 
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