Carmack talks about Parhelia... not good.

[kami]

Pushing the Human Eye past 30 FPS to 60 FPS and even 120 FPS is possible, ask the video card manufacturers, an eye doctor, or a Physiologist."

While I'm at it, why don't I ask tobacco companies if cigarettes are bad for me. But since he told me to ask, why don't we? This was posted on NV News:

Oh puhleeze. Spoken like a true zealot...only reads what he wants to see.

 

[PG]

Bought a Geforce4 MX420 yesterday because I needed it for a project.

The 2D performance sucks my left nut!

Why didn't you go out and get a cheap Radeon card? Most people say that ATI has better 2D and the low end Radeon cards are relatively cheap. Or did the card have to be Nvidia?

 

[Pariah]

"Oh puhleeze. Spoken like a true zealot...only reads what he wants to see."

Zealot of what? And judging by your reply, looks an awful lot like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[kami]

Originally posted by: PG

Bought a Geforce4 MX420 yesterday because I needed it for a project.

The 2D performance sucks my left nut!

Why didn't you go out and get a cheap Radeon card? Most people say that ATI has better 2D and the low end Radeon cards are relatively cheap. Or did the card have to be Nvidia?

Yeah GF MX cards are all terrible IMO..both 3d and 2d.
When I said go get a $100 card I meant a radeon

 

[Woodchuck2000]

why cant the majority of you guys understand. matrox main market is not gamers at all.

"I amazes me always that matrox is still alive - are they subsidized?? Man I abandoned Matrox after the original Mystique.... That was like - when i was young 🙂 "

they sell mostly buisness cards. Since they arnt producing in high volume they can have low batch sizes that equal low inventory costs. so in other words, they dont produce many cards. So if every jack tom and harry doenst want to buy there cards, then its no big deal.
The people that want the features on the card will buy it, they will make there money.

If their main market is not gamers, why release a chip with pixel and vertex shader support? The only features that would be useful to business users are the triple head function and the (claimed) excellent 2D quality.

What's the point of releasing a card with 128Mb of high-bandwith ram and loadsa 3D features it you're not targeting gamers? It does not make sense!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000

why cant the majority of you guys understand. matrox main market is not gamers at all.

"I amazes me always that matrox is still alive - are they subsidized?? Man I abandoned Matrox after the original Mystique.... That was like - when i was young 🙂 "

they sell mostly buisness cards. Since they arnt producing in high volume they can have low batch sizes that equal low inventory costs. so in other words, they dont produce many cards. So if every jack tom and harry doenst want to buy there cards, then its no big deal.
The people that want the features on the card will buy it, they will make there money.

If their main market is not gamers, why release a chip with pixel and vertex shader support? The only features that would be useful to business users are the triple head function and the (claimed) excellent 2D quality.

What's the point of releasing a card with 128Mb of high-bandwith ram and loadsa 3D features it you're not targeting gamers? It does not make sense!

CAD/CAM work and also i think this will be the springboard for a competitive card early next year. it only makes sense. most of the features of a competitive 3D gaming card are there. fill-rate saving techniques on the level of hyper-z 1 would make this card killer, and would be possible with a 130 nanometer die shrink.

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: MTVsucks
why cant the majority of you guys understand. matrox main market is not gamers at all.

and its main market never WILL be gamers, as long as it keeps releasing mediocre-at-best hardware. But DOES matrox want to sell to games? Of COURSE they do, or else they wouldn't waste their time beefing up 3d performance, adding 16xaa, and constantly pointing out how you can play all sorts of games with 3 displays.

Man, i'm sick of all these Matrox fans making excuses for Matrox's sucky gaming performance (excuses that only seem to pop up AFTER the performance is proven to be inferior) with the same old sour-grapes refrain "But gamers aren't matrox's target market anyways"

a) anyone who think matrox isn't trying to sell to gamers after they make this big huge performance about how perhelia is great for 3-screen gaming, is for lack of a better adjective, STUPID

b) if gamers are really so irrelevant to matrox, then why do matrox fans feel like they have to defend it's products against gamers? They sure seem to get caught up in how it's for "future games" and has "high performance anti aliasing" blah blah blah... but they never say "Matrox doesn't care if you buy this card so why don't you just ignore it and choose something from NVidia with superior performance?"

 

[NOX]

Originally posted by: Fokks
Done...

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:Q

 

[Mingon]

CAD/CAM work and also i think this will be the springboard for a competitive card early next year. it only makes sense. most of the features of a competitive 3D gaming card are there. fill-rate saving techniques on the level of hyper-z 1 would make this card killer, and would be possible with a 130 nanometer die shrink.

Cad/cam would not benefit that much from all of the bandwidth if the fillrate is still low. as for the shrink to 0.13 dont hold your breath for any improvements, after all its only 15% smaller - so expect it to hit perhaps only another 50mhz at most.