. car thread, got the info I needed, thanks

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I have an 88 Toyota Celica with a manual transmission (well, transaxle, I guess...). The transmission acts funny a lot. It often doesn't shift very precisely, and I have to be careful to line up and push/pull all the way, so that the proper gear engages. Sometimes it makes a 'pop' noise when I shift into 4th. The 'pop' seems to come from right below where the shifter disappears from the cabin.

The worst part is Reverse gear. When I put it into reverse, and ever so gently let out the clutch, I get a nasty grinding sound, and no motion at all. This doesn't happen all of the time, but it happens pretty often, esp. when the car is cold. Sometimes, I'll have the clutch in, shift it into reverse, and when I let go of the shifter and let out the clutch very slightly, the shifter moves forward the tiniest bit and I get the grinding. At other times, reverse works perfectly. As I said, it seems to have more problems when the car is cold, but there isn't a very strong link because sometimes even when it's warm it has the problem.

My dad used to have a Celica and he said that his did the same thing, and he just had to put transmission fluid into it. I looked, though, and didn't see a place to put transmission fluid. Isn't transmission fluid just for automatic transmissions? Is there a separate oil system for the transmission that I need to add oil into?

Is there a simple reason for these problems? Is there an easy fix? Obviously this car is an old POS but I want it to last another year without major repairs. Is it possible that the popping noise problem with 4th gear is related to the grinding problem with reverse, since they're next to each other in the shift pattern? Many thanks for any help :) I can clarify or whatnot if necessary.
 

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Lots of things could be wrong. You could have bent or broken shift forks, it could be that your transmission is going past the stops for the gear, it could be worn out synchros, or it could be the throwout bearing. Get it checked out by a few reputable transmission shops. It could probably be rebuilt for pretty cheap.
 

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<< It could probably be rebuilt for pretty cheap. >>



How cheap is cheap? Like, $300?



<< Change the fluid. >>



I thought that manual transmissions didn't have fluid? In any case, the place for transmission fluid wasn't immediately apparent when I looked under the hood.

Thanks :)
 

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Unless there is a leak you shouldn?t have to check you fluid. But if you have to you usually have to get underneath the car to do it on manual transmission cars. :)
 
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<< the place for transmission fluid wasn't immediately apparent when I looked under the hood >>



You were looking in the wrong place. It will be on the tranny, nothing as fancy as a dipstick, and may even be where your speedo gear attatches. And yes, manuals need fluid.
 

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Nothing like 'over the Web' diagnosis ;)

My first guess would be slop in the shift linkage, sounds like it's not getting all the way into the gears.

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<< << It could probably be rebuilt for pretty cheap. >> >>



More like 600-800 if you find someone that will not rip you off. BTW yes manuals do need fluid. Probably best to get a haynes manual to find out where it can be checked from. Probably on the transfer case.
 

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hmmm, cool, I'll try and find a manual so I can find out how to check the fluid.

I'd rather not spend $800 fixing the tranny. that's more than I spent on the car :Q

Thanks for all your help guys!
 

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<< Probably on the transfer case. >>



Hmm? I don't think his Celica has 4WD ;)

I'm sure you meant transaxle case.

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<< Hmm? I don't think his Celica has 4WD >>



Actually, there were Celicas of that generation with AWD and a turbocharged engine... but alas, I don't have one :(
 

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Y'know, if ya got the owner's manual, it will show where to check/add fluid to the transaxle ;)

but mebbe you already thought of that.

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I think there is something wrong with one of your two shifter cables. It shouldn't be too expensive to have Bruno and Jed at the gas station take a look at it. Worst case is a couple-few hundred for two brand new cables. The best case would be that they require an adjustment, though that may not be possible.
 

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<< Y'know, if ya got the owner's manual, it will show where to check/add fluid to the transaxle ;)

but mebbe you already thought of that.

JC
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Yeah, the manual shows the location of the transmission fluid dipstick for Celicas with automatic transmissions, but not with manual transmissions. I looked all over the transaxle as best as I could and couldn't find anything resembling a cap or dipstick, but it was kind of covered up with the battery and air filter and stuff, and it's cold outside so I didn't want to stay out there very long. I'll look again when I have more time, and maybe take out the battery and air filter case so I can get a full look at the transaxle. If I can't find anything, I'll just take in to the shop once I get some money :( At least it's still drivable.
 

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It's likely that the "cap" for manual transmission fluid is nothing more than a screw, similar to the plug in your oil pan.
 

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<< It's likely that the "cap" for manual transmission fluid is nothing more than a screw, similar to the plug in your oil pan. >>



Exactly, usually it's in the side, you fill it up until the juice runs out...that's how you know it's full.

JC