Car salesman taken to the next level

[MercenaryYoureFired]

I love how when regular people get ripped off it's all about how shitty the dealer is, how they're manipulative and dishonest. But when a disabled person does it's this "GUYS I HAVE A HARD TIME FEELING SORRY FOR HER TO BE HONEST" bullshit some retard(s) is/are going on about.

 

[TehMac]

I love how when regular people get ripped off it's all about how shitty the dealer is, how they're manipulative and dishonest. But when a disabled person does it's this "GUYS I HAVE A HARD TIME FEELING SORRY FOR HER TO BE HONEST" bullshit some retard(s) is/are going on about.

If I got ripped off the same way she did, I

a) wouldn't have signed off on it in the first place

b) if I did realize I'd get jippped, return the car

c) if they didn't let me return it, I would then either take it to small claims court or just sell it to another dealer--there's a ton of them around

I wouldn't:

a) Wait until five months to pursue action

b) Use my disability to prop up my case in court

c) Ask some government dipshit to protect me from myself

Your point = nullified.

edit: to make it clear, this shit happens all the time, and some of it a lot worse. Only reason its a story now is because ZOMG SHE IS DISABLED. But she isn't really, or else she wouldn't (or shouldn't) have a license in the first place.


To clarify even further, the salesmen were fucking idiots, they should have asked or known something was up. The key to a good sell is finding out a lot about the person, or as much as possible. Mental disabilities are fairly clear and most dealers know to either just do as she asks or steer clear.

but no matter how you spin it, it's still her own fault for not taking matters into her own hands, and even going there in the first place. It has been a low rated dealer for a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if Mazda pulls their license after this stunt.

No one made her do anything, she did it, now she is refusing to take responsibility, because not only does the government let her, it encourages it.

 

[MercenaryYoureFired]

^ She has a mental disability and she got ripped off, and there are people here that are trying to blame her for it. She was going in for tires ffs. This does not happen all the time, she was charged $63,000 for a fucking Mazda, of course it's going to make a story.

I'm glad you would have taken a different route if you were ripped off by saying you wouldn't have gotten ripped off; this obviously completely nullifies my point, absolutely.

My point was when we talk about getting ripped off on a personal level, we always blame others. Financial crisis? Obviously the investment banks fault; eBay item? SELLER SUCKS F- WOULD NOT BUY AGAIN; Dealer sold me a lemon? Dealers are all scumbags; Disable women getting completely raped? I DUNNO GUYS SHE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE HER RESEARCH

 

[TehMac]

^ She has a mental disability and she got ripped off, and there are people here that are trying to blame her for it. She was going in for tires ffs. This does not happen all the time, she was charged $63,000 for a fucking Mazda, of course it's going to make a story.

Research into the story suggests she does not in fact have a mental disability, but that's how she is labeled by government bureaucrats.

It's been pretty much confirmed she doesn't have Aspergers, she's on a ton of medications for various mental disabilities sure, but I know people on similar medication and they're not going out and purchasing overcharged cars.

So your whole argument is pretty much invalidated because it hinges upon the pathos of the situation, and frankly there isn't much once the full story is investigated.

My point was when we talk about getting ripped off on a personal level, we always blame others. Financial crisis? Obviously the investment banks fault; eBay item? SELLER SUCKS F- WOULD NOT BUY AGAIN; Dealer sold me a lemon? Dealers are all scumbags; Disable women getting completely raped? I DUNNO GUYS SHE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE HER RESEARCH

So...going off this quote, why aren't you in support of the dealership, or at least more skeptical of the woman? You seem to be employing a double standard.

No one is blaming the woman for being mentally disabled, they're skeptical at a whole number of factors in the first place.

I was one of the first people who was outraged when this story broke, but then I calmed down, became more rational, and further investigation of the story suggests that yes, you are played upon by the media because this woman is using her mental disability to prop up her attempts at getting some change. Five months after purchasing a car...

You don't see anything fishy in that? Let alone the fact that she technically doesn't have a mental disability like Aspergers?

You somehow are pretending it isn't her fault. It takes two to tango, and this is no exception.

 

[smitbret]

Business is about making money. Period. It's not up to the dealer to give a psych eval to every customer that walks in. I don't know what the laws are from state to state, but here, if you have a license then you can buy a car. Flip it around. What if the dealership decided that she wasn't competent enough to buy a car and refused to sell it to her? Imagine the shit storm that would fall from the sky on that one. Businesses have no interest in dictating morality from customer to customer and rightfully so.

The one thing I can't figure out is who financed this woman. Did she walk in with a bag full of money, cuz I'm pretty sure that no bank is going to finance $63000 for a car that is worth maybe $18000. We're still missing some story, here.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

TehMac, you have absolutely no fucking clue what specific disabilities this woman has, yet you assume this woman had full control of this ridiculous purchase despite her disabilities.

"I know people on similar medication and they're not going out and purchasing overcharged cars."

So based on your limited anecdotal observations, everyone who is on medication for a mental disability would never go out and buy a overcharged car? Just goes to show how fucking narrow minded you are.

I don't like government handouts either, but the physically/mentally disabled are the one group that deserves it.

Step into their shoes for a moment. Be happy that you are healthy and able to do whatever the hell your ignorant self wants. You think they enjoy knowing that all their life will ever amount to is a shitty government funded lifestyle that barely allows them to get by? Lets not forget whatever condition they might have which is a constant burden on them day in and day out making their life even more miserable.

This isn't about government trying to take over our lives. This is about you clearly having absolutely no sympathy for those that have it the absolute worst in our society.

For Christ sake get a fucking heart.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Car salesmen are as sleazy as government workers. No, they're worse. They're like politicians. SOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unethical. And they'd have to be to sell the cars you people buy. *rimshot*

 

[TehMac]

TehMac, you have absolutely no fucking clue what specific disabilities this woman has, yet you assume this woman had full control of this ridiculous purchase despite her disabilities.

Ok, here we go, your first point: wrong.

fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis, depression and anxiety

So based on your limited anecdotal observations, everyone who is on medication for a mental disability would never go out and buy a overcharged car? Just goes to show how fucking narrow minded you are.

Second point: wrong. I said even non-medicated people get overcharged. Happens all the time, only reason now we hear about it is because a government aided "mentally handicapped" person got screwed for a car she "didn't want to buy." That sounds incredibly shady no matter how you look at it.

I don't like government handouts either, but the physically/mentally disabled are the one group that deserves it.

No one said anything about deserving my point was that its a classic case of the government protecting you from yourself and stripping away your responsibility.
There are plenty of wealthy people who are treated for these exact same problems, I don't know too much about the lady's upbringing in life, but she sure hasn't impressed recently.

Step into their shoes for a moment. Be happy that you are healthy and able to do whatever the hell your ignorant self wants. You think they enjoy knowing that all their life will ever amount to is a shitty government funded lifestyle that barely allows them to get by? Lets not forget whatever condition they might have which is a constant burden on them day in and day out making their life even more miserable.

This isn't about government trying to take over our lives. This is about you clearly having absolutely no sympathy for those that have it the absolute worst in our society.

For Christ sake get a fucking heart.

See, this is your problem. You're not thinking rationally about things. You're just jumping to conclusions and ironically making the same mistakes you accused me of.

And speaking of conclusions, aren't you the guy who said 9/11 was an inside job? Or something along those lines? Leftist hacks are a dime a dozen on the internet, so I probably got you confused with someone else.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Tehmac, again, we don't fully know the severity of her mental disabilities. You have attacked her from the beginning based on her government funded income allowing her to escape responsibility and haven't even thought twice to look at the illegitimate business conducted by the dealership.

Yes, this lady had no business purchasing a vehicle package worth more than almost triple the amount of her yearly income. Yes, normal people are screwed over by car salesmen all the time. The problem we have here though is the fact that this woman is not on the same level as normal people. The salesman took full advantage of this woman and much more. Honestly, do you not see an issue with the fact that she was able to walk out of the finance office at this shady place with a car so clearly above her income level? No right minded dealership, no matter how shady they are, would approve that. Throw in the fact that she was living off of the government due to a mental disability would probably be a huge red flag for anyone trying to finance her.

I can tell you are a McCarthy reincarnated by your posts, so I am not surprised at all by your extreme right nut talking points and behavior in this thread. You claim this is not a right or left issue, yet are the first one to call me out as a leftist hack and others that don't agree with you socialist. Grow up.

 

[StageLeft]

I cannot confirm but a friend checked their site and said the manager and a salesman are no longer on the website. Perhaps they were before...(?)

How TehMac can read an article or two and invalidate what is a clinical diagnosis by medical professionals (without which no drugs for her) speaks to the caliber of awesomeness of AT Garage.

 

[EightySix Four]

I'm still blown away that this turned into a political thread...

 

[TehMac]

How TehMac can read an article or two and invalidate what is a clinical diagnosis by medical professionals (without which no drugs for her) speaks to the caliber of awesomeness of AT Garage.

Very cute, but I wasn't invalidating what any medical professionals have said. The fact that you seem to have conceptualized that with no real proof in any of my statements only speaks to your own illiteracy and suggests you should avoid discussions requiring higher intellectual capacity.

 

[StageLeft]

Very cute, but I wasn't invalidating what any medical professionals have said. The fact that you seem to have conceptualized that with no real proof in any of my statements only speaks to your own illiteracy and suggests you should avoid discussions requiring higher intellectual capacity.

You said:

"she's on a ton of medications for various mental disabilities sure"
...
"Research into the story suggests she does not in fact have a mental disability, but that's how she is labeled by government bureaucrats. "

The indisputable, and I mean that in every sense of the word, fact is that you have no idea to what degree, if any, she is mentally disabled. You have not consulted with her, checked her against diagnostic criteria, or read over her medical history. You simply have no idea. Period. She may be perfectly fine with a mild issue and a healthy love of medication or she may be severely fvcked and borderline incapable of caring for herself. Even if you were a psychiatrist you wouldn't pretend to have even a faint clue about what she's going through because you have not interviewed her nor read over her records. It's rather funny you think otherwise. Maybe you took a couple of classes in psychology or know some friends who are on drugs and are fine. That's like trying to group together two people complaining of knee pain when in reality one has mild tendinitis and the other has full on bone-on-bone arthritis. Surely you know this, you're just so far entrenched now you don't want to give up ground despite it already being given up whether you admit it or not.

 

[lurk3r]

Is Canada really that backwards where a mentally disabled person can drive?

Yes they'd even let you drive if you passed the test.

 

[A5]

Hmmmm, I fail to see the wrongdoing, here. Obviously most of the people on this board don't understand capitalism and free market.

Is it really the dealership's job to "screen" its customers and make sure they are mentally competent enough to purchase a car? If she was competent enough to buy a car AND competent enough to learn that she paid too much, after the fact, then she is probably not obviously disabled enough to be readily apparent to joe salesman.

Unrestricted capitalism hasn't existed in the Western World since various labor laws went into effect in the late 1800s, mostly due to assholes like these people. If you don't like business regulation, blame the douchebags who caused it to be necessary, not the government.

 

[Blackjack200]

Business is about making money. Period. It's not up to the dealer to give a psych eval to every customer that walks in. I don't know what the laws are from state to state, but here, if you have a license then you can buy a car. Flip it around. What if the dealership decided that she wasn't competent enough to buy a car and refused to sell it to her? Imagine the shit storm that would fall from the sky on that one. Businesses have no interest in dictating morality from customer to customer and rightfully so.

What?

I used to work in a deli and retarded adults would come in during the slow periods and walk around the store talking to the clerks. There was a special needs housing development close by, and rich individuals that had retarded kids and wanted them to live semi autonomously would pay for their housing and give them spending cash.

Do you think we gouged the fuck out of them every time they came into our shop? Loaded them up with all the high margin items and expensive alcolhol and swiped their credit cards? Come on man. It's not unreasonable to expect people to behave in a non-sociopathic way when dealing with retarded people.

 

[StageLeft]

What?

I used to work in a deli and retarded adults would come in during the slow periods and walk around the store talking to the clerks. There was a special needs housing development close by, and rich individuals that had retarded kids and wanted them to live semi autonomously would pay for their housing and give them spending cash.

Do you think we gouged the fuck out of them every time they came into our shop? Loaded them up with all the high margin items and expensive alcolhol and swiped their credit cards? Come on man. It's not unreasonable to expect people to behave in a non-sociopathic way when dealing with retarded people.

Well, perhaps you should have gouged them. Caveat emptor. You are a bad capitalist. In fact, sir, you are a bad American not to have gouged these retarded and if they lost money it's their own damn fault.

 

[Blackjack200]

Well, perhaps you should have gouged them. Caveat emptor. You are a bad capitalist. In fact, sir, you are a bad American not to have gouged these retarded and if they lost money it's their own damn fault.

No, that's what the blind are for. :sneaky:

 

[StageLeft]

No, that's what the blind are for. :sneaky:

"Uh, of course that is a $20 bill I am giving you back in change..."

 

[nakedfrog]

I'm still blown away that this turned into a political thread...

I'm guessing you haven't encountered TehMac very often. He's the exact right wing version of the left wing nutjobs he castigates, and is delusional enough to not realize it. If everyone quits feeding him, he might stop.

 

[RockinZ28]

Doesn't surprise me with trips to the dealer with my parents I remember as a child, and my own experiences.

I went to a dealer when I was 21 looking to buy a car with cash, and trade in my old one. Swear to God they would not tell me the price of the car I was interested in, or the trade in value of my car, until I had signed the papers to buy the car. I was in the showroom office area arguing with 3 of them at the same time just asking them to tell me the price, they just kept saying "Don't worry about the price, you are going to love it, just sign". Went back and forth like that for about 10 minutes until I just gave up and walked out. Was bizarre.

 

[jpeyton]

OWNED

Ahahahahahahahaha

 

[Kromis]

OWNED

Ahahahahahahahaha

Correction: FUCKING OWNED! :awe:

 

[PottedMeat]

OWNED

Ahahahahahahahaha

Star article:
http://www.thestar.com/business/art...minates-controversial-orangeville-dealer?bn=1

wow how much is a dealership franchise worth?

 

[tiresmokindad]

And to top it off...



http://jalopnik.com/5533462/dealership-charges-mentally-disabled-woman-63000-for-used-mazda

Holy crap that is low. The punishment in this situation could never be enough.

Yes I agree. Punishment of that will be so serious. I think because of that low.:awe: