CAR QUESTION: Upside down in payment... what to do?

afropick

Senior member
Feb 8, 2001
355
0
0
I have a 2000 Daewoo Leganza. Previously I had a Honda Civic, but traded it in after an accident to get the Daewoo. I figured that since it was a brand new car, and since I got it from a reputable dealer in my area, everything would be okay. I still owed on my Civic, so part of its debt was lumped in with the cost of the Daewoo.

Since then, I'm at a little under 60,000 miles, and I've had to get two front brake jobs done and various other small repair jobs. Recently I took it in to have the engine looked at because it was runninig kind of loud and have been told that the timing belt and other stuff needs fixing/replacing/worked on. The guy at the shop, who's been highly recommended as a good/honest mechanic, said he would recommend trying to sell it or trade it in.

My dilemma is this...

1) I'm already upside down in the payment. I probably can't get jack crap on resale because Daewoo has, to all of my knowledge, gone out of business.

2) I'm going to have to start paying back my student loans in about a year, which will almost be like a car payment in itself. I wanted to avoid that since I have about a year and a half left to pay on my car.

3) Although its had it problems I still consider it a (cheapo) luxury car. It looks nice, has leather interior, etc. I don't necessarily want to get something that would be a "step down" from it.

I want to make a sound decision. I'd really like to just pay it off, but I don't want to be stuck with hard to get parts and an expensive repair bill forever... plus I don't know that the car will last.

As I said I'm upside down so if I were to trade it in (and they were to generously give me about 2,000 for it) I can only get something around the 10k or less price range. I owe almost 6500 still. :(

I just want something reliable that won't give me a hassle after it's paid for. Some of you guys are auto deal gurus... what would you suggest?
 

amdskip

Lifer
Jan 6, 2001
22,530
13
81
Get an Accord/Civic thats used. Take good care of it and it will go at least 200,000 miles with minimal maintenance.
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
21,503
9
0
Juts fix it and drive it till the wheels fall off.

people keep buying things they can;t afford in the long run and if you are.were in college you should have a got a cheap used car, not new.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
5
0
Originally posted by: amdskip
Get an Accord/Civic thats used. Take good care of it and it will go at least 200,000 miles with minimal maintenance.
Yep, either that or maybe trade in and buy a new kia, just because they have such a long warranty.

 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,584
985
126
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: amdskip
Get an Accord/Civic thats used. Take good care of it and it will go at least 200,000 miles with minimal maintenance.
Yep, either that or maybe trade in and buy a new kia, just because they have such a long warranty.

Trade one crappy Korean car for another crappy Korean car? Worst advice ever!!!
 

MysticLlama

Golden Member
Sep 19, 2000
1,003
0
0
I wouldn't trade it in at a $4500 loss, that will just make you worse off in the long run.

You need to just keep paying your payments, and pay over whenever you can. $25-50/mo. over makes a huge difference, especially with that long left to go in your loan.

You're not only paying it down the $50, but that's $50 less you have to pay interest on in your next payment, which makes you pay a little more principal then you would have otherwise, which in turn affects interest again, etc., etc.

I would suggest at least getting it down to a $1000 loss or a break even point before you just totally eat it.
 

NutBucket

Lifer
Aug 30, 2000
27,152
635
126
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: amdskip
Get an Accord/Civic thats used. Take good care of it and it will go at least 200,000 miles with minimal maintenance.
Yep, either that or maybe trade in and buy a new kia, just because they have such a long warranty.

Trade one crappy Korean car for another crappy Korean car? Worst advice ever!!!

But there's no signs Kia will leave the market so at least someone will be around to honor the warranty. Not a terrible idea.
 

dirtboy

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
6,745
1
81
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Juts fix it and drive it till the wheels fall off.

people keep buying things they can;t afford in the long run and if you are.were in college you should have a got a cheap used car, not new.

If his timing belt breaks, he could end up making payments on something that is non-functional.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
5
0
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: amdskip
Get an Accord/Civic thats used. Take good care of it and it will go at least 200,000 miles with minimal maintenance.
Yep, either that or maybe trade in and buy a new kia, just because they have such a long warranty.

Trade one crappy Korean car for another crappy Korean car? Worst advice ever!!!
Disagree. A new kia, with a 100k warranty, can be had for $7k give or take.
his timing belt breaks, he could end up making payments on something that is non-functional.
That's why Marlin said to fix it :)

In almost all cases fixing/repairing a car is financially superior to buying another one.
 

Jzero

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
18,834
1
0
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Juts fix it and drive it till the wheels fall off.

people keep buying things they can;t afford in the long run and if you are.were in college you should have a got a cheap used car, not new.

If his timing belt breaks, he could end up making payments on something that is non-functional.

That's why he should replace it BEFORE it breaks :D
 

vi edit

Elite Member
Super Moderator
Oct 28, 1999
62,484
8,345
126
Stick with your current car for another year or two. Parts are required to be available for at least 7 years after a car is discontinued.
 

dirtboy

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
6,745
1
81
Originally posted by: Skoorb
his timing belt breaks, he could end up making payments on something that is non-functional.
That's why Marlin said to fix it :)

In almost all cases fixing/repairing a car is financially superior to buying another one.

Misread what Marlin said. My bad. :eek:
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,584
985
126
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: amdskip
Get an Accord/Civic thats used. Take good care of it and it will go at least 200,000 miles with minimal maintenance.
Yep, either that or maybe trade in and buy a new kia, just because they have such a long warranty.

Trade one crappy Korean car for another crappy Korean car? Worst advice ever!!!

But there's no signs Kia will leave the market so at least someone will be around to honor the warranty. Not a terrible idea.

He'll be even more upside down in the KIA though because he'd be rolling another $4-5k of debt into a new KIA. That's insane. As soon as he drives the KIA off the lot he'd go from $5k upside down to $10k upside down. How is that not a terrible idea?
 

KarenMarie

Elite Member
Sep 20, 2003
14,372
6
81
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Juts fix it and drive it till the wheels fall off.

people keep buying things they can;t afford in the long run and if you are.were in college you should have a got a cheap used car, not new.

absolutely correct!
:)

 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,584
985
126
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Juts fix it and drive it till the wheels fall off.

people keep buying things they can;t afford in the long run and if you are.were in college you should have a got a cheap used car, not new.

absolutely correct!
:)

Agreed.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
5
0
He'll be even more upside down in the KIA though because he'd be rolling another $4-5k of debt into a new KIA. That's insane. As soon as he drives the KIA off the lot he'd go from $5k upside down to $10k upside down. How is that not a terrible idea?
Because he'll have 100k miles of guaranteed powertrain. Right now he has none. The best idea is, as mentioned, to keep his car. A timing belt that needs replacing is a lot cheaper than a new car. Also, he is upside down on this car regardless of what he does. He has less equity than his debt. They are almost separate issues. Whether he rolls $4500 of upsidedownness into an accord or a kia is really beside the fact. If I personally was looking for a car for $7k and I wanted the most inexpensive thing on the road to keep going I'd probably buy a Kia - not because it's actually more reliable than an accord, but because it has a warranty.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
26,066
4,712
126
I'd recommend keeping the car. Yes at 60,000 miles a car may need a little work (especially a Daewoo). However, financially repairing it is probably much better than trying to sell it in your case. The reason you have this problem is since you got rid of the Civic too soon. Don't continue that pattern and get rid of the Daewoo too soon.

I'd suggest doing whatever it takes to pay off the Daewoo in a year. That'll mean just a few extra bucks a month. That way you won't be stuck with car payments AND student loans when you obviously have financial troubles. As soon as you get back on your financial feet, then sell the Daewoo and this time go with a reliable car.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,584
985
126
Originally posted by: Skoorb
He'll be even more upside down in the KIA though because he'd be rolling another $4-5k of debt into a new KIA. That's insane. As soon as he drives the KIA off the lot he'd go from $5k upside down to $10k upside down. How is that not a terrible idea?
Because he'll have 100k miles of guaranteed powertrain. Right now he has none. The best idea is, as mentioned, to keep his car. A timing belt that needs replacing is a lot cheaper than a new car. Also, he is upside down on this car regardless of what he does. He has less equity than his debt. They are almost separate issues. Whether he rolls $4500 of upsidedownness into an accord or a kia is really beside the fact. If I personally was looking for a car for $7k and I wanted the most inexpensive thing on the road to keep going I'd probably buy a Kia - not because it's actually more reliable than an accord, but because it has a warranty.

I would NEVER buy a car because of the warranty. Those long warranties are just a marketing gimmick. The reason to buy a new car is because you don't want to spend time at the dealership or broken down on the side of the road. I'd much rather buy a reliable car than one with a good warranty. Quite frankly it wouldn't even factor into the equation.

Look at the companies that have offered 70 or 100k mile warranties in the past. They are the companies with the WORST reliability ratings (Dodge/Chrysler in the late 80s, VW in the early 90s and the Korean car companies now). They do this to boost their image and sales. It seems to work for the most part too which is scary. To me a long warranty is more of a reason not to buy a car.

My .02
 

afropick

Senior member
Feb 8, 2001
355
0
0
Looks like most of you guys seem to be leaning toward me keeping it. That's probably what I'll do. This repair bill is gonna be $700 bucks this time around though and the parts are gonna take about two weeks to come in. I hate to pay that and continue to have those kinds of problems in the future.

I don't want a total crap car either. My father-in-law says I should get this 2001 Dodge Intrepid -> $8,975 -> 32,010 miles, but I dunno... I wish I'd never gotten into a car payment.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
26,066
4,712
126
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I would NEVER buy a car because of the warranty. Those long warranties are just a marketing gimmick. The reason to buy a new car is because you don't want to spend time at the dealership or broken down on the side of the road. I'd much rather buy a reliable car than one with a good warranty. Quite frankly it wouldn't even factor into the equation.

Look at the companies that have offered 70 or 100k mile warranties in the past. They are the companies with the WORST reliability ratings (Dodge/Chrysler in the late 80s, VW in the early 90s and the Korean car companies now). They do this to boost their image and sales. It seems to work for the most part too which is scary. To me a long warranty is more of a reason not to buy a car.
I pretty much agree. Look at the 10 year 100,000 mile Kia warranty and the 3 year 36,000 mile Honda warranty. Line for line they are identical except for a FEW parts in the powertrain. I'd rather replace those parts once at my own expense than have it sit in the shop 6 weeks a year every year for the same problem but covered under warranty.

 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,584
985
126
Originally posted by: afropick
Looks like most of you guys seem to be leaning toward me keeping it. That's probably what I'll do. This repair bill is gonna be $700 bucks this time around though and the parts are gonna take about two weeks to come in. I hate to pay that and continue to have those kinds of problems in the future.

I don't want a total crap car either. My father-in-law says I should get this 2001 Dodge Intrepid -> $8,975 -> 32,010 miles, but I dunno... I wish I'd never gotten into a car payment.

2 weeks to get parts? Man, that's insane. Can you drive it during that period?
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
50,422
14,337
136
Never trade in a car with negative equity, unless you are able and willing to buy out the negative equity in cash. Otherwise, you are trading in the negative equity to compound it with additional negative equity that is sure to occur with the new vehicle. In other words, you are financing yourself deeper and deeper into a hole, with only a depreciating item as security.
I keep all my cars until they are paid off. Then I never trade them in, but sell them private party. This way, when I buy my new car, I can negotiate the dealer for the lower price with a minimum of complication and distraction.
Your car is only worth $2k. Do the minimum amount of repairs to keep it running and drive it until the wheels fall off. Then buy a new one.

edit: for example, you say your car is still running, and your only complaint is that it is running a little loud. Based on the information you have provided, I would not do that $700 in repairs (on a car worth $2k!), but just turn up the stereo and keep limping it along.
 

afropick

Senior member
Feb 8, 2001
355
0
0
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: afropick
Looks like most of you guys seem to be leaning toward me keeping it. That's probably what I'll do. This repair bill is gonna be $700 bucks this time around though and the parts are gonna take about two weeks to come in. I hate to pay that and continue to have those kinds of problems in the future.

I don't want a total crap car either. My father-in-law says I should get this 2001 Dodge Intrepid -> $8,975 -> 32,010 miles, but I dunno... I wish I'd never gotten into a car payment.

2 weeks to get parts? Man, that's insane. Can you drive it during that period?


Nope, the mechanic highly recommended that I don't drive it... and two weeks is nothing... it took almost a month for front brake pads to come in! Took about three weeks for some part that was causing problems for me when changing from park to any other gear.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,584
985
126
Originally posted by: afropick
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: afropick
Looks like most of you guys seem to be leaning toward me keeping it. That's probably what I'll do. This repair bill is gonna be $700 bucks this time around though and the parts are gonna take about two weeks to come in. I hate to pay that and continue to have those kinds of problems in the future.

I don't want a total crap car either. My father-in-law says I should get this 2001 Dodge Intrepid -> $8,975 -> 32,010 miles, but I dunno... I wish I'd never gotten into a car payment.

2 weeks to get parts? Man, that's insane. Can you drive it during that period?


Nope, the mechanic highly recommended that I don't drive it... and two weeks is nothing... it took almost a month for front brake pads to come in! Took about three weeks for some part that was causing problems for me when changing from park to any other gear.

Wow, that's crazy. I'm guessing that if the timing belt breaks it will do major damage to the engine and this is why he's telling you not to drive it.

Assuming he can fix this problem for $700 does your mechanic think it will go for another year or until you can get it paid off? If not then, as much as I hate to recommend this to someone in your situation, your best bet may be to get rid of it. :Q