Car question (really dumb)

[WoodButcher]

I guess you've never had powerful brakes with higher performance pads. Squeaking is pretty common with them if you're gentle with them. On my last two cars, I've had to make sure to do some heavy braking every so often to keep the squeak factor down.

OK, maybe I should have said attention,,,

better?

Brakes do not squeal if they are operating properly.

Does that statement satisfy all the grammar nazis here?


In a country where the laws limit speeds such that a moped can drive on city streets and a geo metro can drive the highways I see little reason for high performance other than enthusiasts.
OK so your car guy, an enthusiast and you have the best brakes money can buy on your car, and they squeal.

You will give them attention of some sort,
won't you?


As for my experience? The last hi-performance car I had was a '64 Pontiac Tempest w/ a 389.
Well, today my daily driver is not a hi performance vehicle.
I have a '97 GMC Safari, a minivan. I'm a carpenter and carry tools, equipment and material on occasion. I've needed to modify every van I've ever had in some way, form or fashion to carry the loads imposed on them up to and including a 5 ton box truck that I added rear spring and swaybar to.

My safari has a GVWR of 5600 lbs. according to the door sticker but my average is about 6,000 lbs. w/o driver. I get on the scales whenever I go into the local concrete supply.
The upgrades in this van include tires, the heaviest LT I can fit as opposed to passenger tires, front and rear springs, lower gears in the differential and rebuilt trans w/ external cooling and had the PCM programmed for the shift points.

The weakest link besides me are the brakes.
First off, they don't make aftermarket hi-po parts for these vans...
To start the ABS goes by the wayside, no useful / affordable upgrades will work with this system.
The rear drums, they are puny. I got a backer plate for 11' drums off a chevy station wagon at the JY, it wasn't the Buick Roadmaster I was looking for but GM is fairly interchangable. The rest was bought new a the LAPS, drum, shoes, spring kit and slave cylinder.

The front is a different beastie altogether.
The 15" wheel won't allow much bigger than stock rotors and calipers. For most the stock are OK but the biggest problem I encountered was heat. Pads made no difference, the rotor would warp before the pads were worn. Slotted rotors can be had but they don't dissapate enough heat with the added weight, Stock size pads just don't have enough surface area and grab.
3/4 ton GM truck calipers have a larger piston and the pads have a little more surface area and do bolt right on but have issues all their own. I've documented those problems here if you're interested.
http://www.astrosafari.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=12087



So, Ferzerp, sadly the answer is no.
Forgive me please, I have had little or no experience with hi-performace brakes...:'(

 

[phucheneh]

OK, maybe I should have said attention,,,

better?

Brakes do not squeal if they are operating properly.

Does that statement satisfy all the grammar nazis here?


In a country where the laws limit speeds such that a moped can drive on city streets and a geo metro can drive the highways I see little reason for high performance other than enthusiasts.
OK so your car guy, an enthusiast and you have the best brakes money can buy on your car, and they squeal.

You will give them attention of some sort,
won't you?


As for my experience? The last hi-performance car I had was a '64 Pontiac Tempest w/ a 389.
Well, today my daily driver is not a hi performance vehicle.
I have a '97 GMC Safari, a minivan. I'm a carpenter and carry tools, equipment and material on occasion. I've needed to modify every van I've ever had in some way, form or fashion to carry the loads imposed on them up to and including a 5 ton box truck that I added rear spring and swaybar to.

My safari has a GVWR of 5600 lbs. according to the door sticker but my average is about 6,000 lbs. w/o driver. I get on the scales whenever I go into the local concrete supply.
The upgrades in this van include tires, the heaviest LT I can fit as opposed to passenger tires, front and rear springs, lower gears in the differential and rebuilt trans w/ external cooling and had the PCM programmed for the shift points.

The weakest link besides me are the brakes.
First off, they don't make aftermarket hi-po parts for these vans...
To start the ABS goes by the wayside, no useful / affordable upgrades will work with this system.
The rear drums, they are puny. I got a backer plate for 11' drums off a chevy station wagon at the JY, it wasn't the Buick Roadmaster I was looking for but GM is fairly interchangable. The rest was bought new a the LAPS, drum, shoes, spring kit and slave cylinder.

The front is a different beastie altogether.
The 15" wheel won't allow much bigger than stock rotors and calipers. For most the stock are OK but the biggest problem I encountered was heat. Pads made no difference, the rotor would warp before the pads were worn. Slotted rotors can be had but they don't dissapate enough heat with the added weight, Stock size pads just don't have enough surface area and grab.
3/4 ton GM truck calipers have a larger piston and the pads have a little more surface area and do bolt right on but have issues all their own. I've documented those problems here if you're interested.
http://www.astrosafari.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=12087



So, Ferzerp, sadly the answer is no.
Forgive me please, I have had little or no experience with hi-performace brakes...:'(

You're bad, your cars are bad, and you should feel bad.




....okay, no, not really.


This way too simple a thread to have arguments. Everything has been summed up pretty well; OP's questions have been answered. So let's all have have an orgy.

I mean....'be friends.'

 

[WoodButcher]

ROFL,,,
I like the orgy idea, did I mention I was a dirty old man?