Car I would like to see built by GM

[Dr. Detroit]

In an effort to improve Cadillac sales I would like to see Cadillac use the G8 GXP motor in the CTS as a bridge between the 306 HP 3.6L V6 and 550HP Supercharged V8.

This would be akin to the Audi S4 and RS4.

Beef up the wheels, brakes, and suspenion a tad while offering a auto or manual option and increae the price by $4K over a DI V6 model.

People who want the power of the G8 and are willing to pay for a better interior would flock to this car.

I'm guessing the DI V6 is more expensive to produce than the V8 as well - only ujnfortuante part is CAFE could be hurt.


Thoughts?

 

[Strk]

So you want a 2007 Cadillac CTS-V?

 

[joesmoke]

srsly, i think the market is finally ready for a powerful sedan. if only companies would make a car like this...

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Strk
So you want a 2007 Cadillac CTS-V?

I'm sure he wants the nicer interior and exterior. I personally don't have a problem with the old CTS-V.

 

[PricklyPete]

I'd rather see the G8 GXP turn into a Chevy Impala SS.

I see where you are going...but I really don't think there is as large a market for what you are talking about. Heck...I don't even think there is a huge market for an Impala SS like what i'm talking about...I just want it. I prefer the "under the radar" feel of a Chevy (or even the Pontiac) rather than a Cadillac...but that again is probably something that isn't marketable to anyone but me.

 

[SparkyJJO]

With obama and his cronies running the show now, do you think there is much of a chance of any more performance vehicles from them???

I'm waiting for their announcement killing the Camaro, the Corvette, CTS, and anything else that even resembles true performance, along with most trucks/SUVs.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

keep dreamin my friend there won't be any new performance vehicles from GM for years... u think they have money to pump out low-sales low-profit performance sedans in the already packed performance market with the Germans as competitors?

 

[MovingTarget]

Meh, that would do better in a high-end Chevy. For the Cadillac, how about they stretch it out a bit and throw in the sixteen from a while back..😉

 

[DarkThinker]

The CTS-V is good as it is, I don't see what the problem is. This isn't a time for more cars in a small segment keep in mind GM is trying to recover here.

I think we are lucky enough to have an American RWD sedan with plenty of options and decent interior and power as it is so far. I just hope GM keeps making RWD sedans and better yet the Japanese to follow suit. I AM SOO SICK OF FWD WITH SLUSHBOXESSSAARRGH!

 

[LOUISSSSS]

gmis trying to cut down on its size. you dont do this by producing more shitty cars that nobody will buy. how many people buy the cts vs base 3. how many people buy the cts-v vs 330/m3/m5/m6?

i see so many m6's and m3's in NYC

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
gmis trying to cut down on its size. you dont do this by producing more shitty cars that nobody will buy. how many people buy the cts vs base 3. how many people buy the cts-v vs 330/m3/m5/m6?

i see so many m6's and m3's in NYC

one thing's for sure: they'd be stupid not to do the comparison, seeing as the CTS-V trumps the M5.

and yes OP, there's the current CTS and CTS-V, both are excellent vehicles (CTS-V is downright amazing).

for cheaper HP in CTS form, old CTS-V's with the LS2 sell for $20-30k i believe

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: Strk
So you want a 2007 Cadillac CTS-V?

I'm sure he wants the nicer interior and exterior. I personally don't have a problem with the old CTS-V.

Almost bought a previous gen CTS-V in 2007. The horrible build quality (nav buttons falling apart, rear diff whine, obnoxious wheel hop) kept me away.

I have no use for 550HP but a coworker who owns a 2008-CTS thinks it is lacking in power and for $4K more for my imagainary Sport model I think 420HP makes a compelling argument. It's a car that makes a lot of sense at $48-52K because nothing else can touch it at that price range. The CTS is already the same size as the current 5-series so it would offer a lot more room & value than a 335 or 535.

GM needs to add niche vehicles and all I'm asking them to do is go to the parts-bin and slap on some parts - no rengineering needed - no costly safety tests or certifications to obtain. This would also provide a nice mid-cycle bump in sales in 2010 when the coupe & wagon launch.

I'll take a CTS over any C350, A4, 335, TL, or IS!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
With obama and his cronies running the show now, do you think there is much of a chance of any more performance vehicles from them???

I'm waiting for their announcement killing the Camaro, the Corvette, CTS, and anything else that even resembles true performance, along with most trucks/SUVs.

the .gov is actually very interested in making the CTS coupe

 

[LOUISSSSS]

really.. you're one of the very few that would take a cts over a BMW 335.

this edmunds review (i'm sure will be discredited by all cuz it shows the cts mid-pack above only the sure-fire lower end competitors.
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...aros/articleId=123235)

shows that the 335 being the overall performance leader over the cts. and everyone in the world + your mother agrees the bmw is a much more pure driving experience than a cadillac

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
really.. you're one of the very few that would take a cts over a BMW 335.

this edmunds review (i'm sure will be discredited by all cuz it shows the cts mid-pack above only the sure-fire lower end competitors.
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...aros/articleId=123235)

shows that the 335 being the overall performance leader over the cts. and everyone in the world + your mother agrees the bmw is a much more pure driving experience than a cadillac

First, your link is broken, you need to remove a ). Second, the BMW didn't win. Third, let's take a look at some points from your article there.

Handling numbers, however, are a virtual wash among all the contenders.

Inside, the CTS is the best-appointed car in the test. Not only have its interior quality and materials leapt ahead of the C-Class and G35, but its design is as striking as it is functional. From the leather-swathed details to the brilliantly capable and easy-to-use navigation and audio system, this is simply a nice car to be inside.

Seems like they still like it. Anyways, CTS was ever meant to be a 3-series fighter, it's too big. Its closer in size to the 5 series in size and weight. For comparison, a 2009 5 series has 99 cubic feet of passenger space, the CTS has 98. The 3 series has 93. That's a noticeable difference in size right there. The 3 series should be better handling. It costs more and it's got less weight to throw around from the shear fact that its a smaller car. Judging from the comments about the Cadillac's interior it sounds like BMW may have chose to put more of its money into handling while the Cadillac has more resources spent on outfitting the interior. There's no clear cut winner in that. Some people will prefer the nicer interior over the handling and others will chose handling over interior. It's all preference.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
really.. you're one of the very few that would take a cts over a BMW 335.

shows that the 335 being the overall performance leader over the cts. and everyone in the world + your mother agrees the bmw is a much more pure driving experience than a cadillac

CTS - 87 Octane fuel
CTS - more interior room
CTS - huge moonroof
CTS - better NAV/Stereo
CTS - cooled seats
CTS - cheaper price
CTS - longer warranty
CTS - LSD
CTS - folding rear seats (best of luck finding a 335 with this option)
CTS - IMO better looking (I hate Bangles design except for the Z4)

BMW - better track car

It would appear if I was in the market for a sports-sedan to which I would dirve at 8/10th's of the limit and use on a daily basis in gridlock, stop & go traffic, toting the kid and her friends around, and escape to the back roads once every 6-months for some fun corner carving I would go CTS.

Majority of BMW dirvers I know are single and the car is on lease.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
really.. you're one of the very few that would take a cts over a BMW 335.

shows that the 335 being the overall performance leader over the cts. and everyone in the world + your mother agrees the bmw is a much more pure driving experience than a cadillac

CTS - 87 Octane fuel
CTS - more interior room
CTS - huge moonroof
CTS - better NAV/Stereo
CTS - cooled seats
CTS - cheaper price
CTS - longer warranty
CTS - LSD
CTS - folding rear seats (best of luck finding a 335 with this option)
CTS - IMO better looking (I hate Bangles design except for the Z4)

BMW - better track car

It would appear if I was in the market for a sports-sedan to which I would dirve at 8/10th's of the limit and use on a daily basis in gridlock, stop & go traffic, toting the kid and her friends around, and escape to the back roads once every 6-months for some fun corner carving I would go CTS.

Majority of BMW dirvers I know are single and the car is on lease.

BMW = purist driving, 50/50, award winning silky smooth i6 engine, BMW, better quality, not bankrupt, higher resale, more people like the bmw and therefore buy it for a reason.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
really.. you're one of the very few that would take a cts over a BMW 335.

this edmunds review (i'm sure will be discredited by all cuz it shows the cts mid-pack above only the sure-fire lower end competitors.
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...aros/articleId=123235)

shows that the 335 being the overall performance leader over the cts. and everyone in the world + your mother agrees the bmw is a much more pure driving experience than a cadillac

First, your link is broken, you need to remove a ). Second, the BMW didn't win. Third, let's take a look at some points from your article there.

Handling numbers, however, are a virtual wash among all the contenders.

Inside, the CTS is the best-appointed car in the test. Not only have its interior quality and materials leapt ahead of the C-Class and G35, but its design is as striking as it is functional. From the leather-swathed details to the brilliantly capable and easy-to-use navigation and audio system, this is simply a nice car to be inside.

Seems like they still like it. Anyways, CTS was ever meant to be a 3-series fighter, it's too big. Its closer in size to the 5 series in size and weight. For comparison, a 2009 5 series has 99 cubic feet of passenger space, the CTS has 98. The 3 series has 93. That's a noticeable difference in size right there. The 3 series should be better handling. It costs more and it's got less weight to throw around from the shear fact that its a smaller car. Judging from the comments about the Cadillac's interior it sounds like BMW may have chose to put more of its money into handling while the Cadillac has more resources spent on outfitting the interior. There's no clear cut winner in that. Some people will prefer the nicer interior over the handling and others will chose handling over interior. It's all preference.

actually, there is a clear cut winner. the g35 won the overall, the bmw won 2nd, the caddilac was 3rd. obviously to you, GM(cad) has cars that dominate in every category. it is clear throughout the entire united states that the BMW 3/5 is a better car than the CTS in the luxury sedan market. look at the sales numbers. okay you're going to discredit sales, what r u going to say?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
really.. you're one of the very few that would take a cts over a BMW 335.

shows that the 335 being the overall performance leader over the cts. and everyone in the world + your mother agrees the bmw is a much more pure driving experience than a cadillac

CTS - 87 Octane fuel
CTS - more interior room
CTS - huge moonroof
CTS - better NAV/Stereo
CTS - cooled seats
CTS - cheaper price
CTS - longer warranty
CTS - LSD
CTS - folding rear seats (best of luck finding a 335 with this option)
CTS - IMO better looking (I hate Bangles design except for the Z4)

BMW - better track car

It would appear if I was in the market for a sports-sedan to which I would dirve at 8/10th's of the limit and use on a daily basis in gridlock, stop & go traffic, toting the kid and her friends around, and escape to the back roads once every 6-months for some fun corner carving I would go CTS.

Majority of BMW dirvers I know are single and the car is on lease.

BMW = purist driving, 50/50, award winning silky smooth i6 engine, BMW, better quality, not bankrupt, higher resale, more people like the bmw and therefore buy it for a reason.

so if they're so good at purist driving, why don't they hold the record for the fastest sedan around the nurburgring? seems like the high and mighty BMW is getting beaten by a bankrupt company. now what does that say about being a purist?

BMW is not the end-all be-all of sedans or performance cars. Some people like CTS's. Some people like 3 series. Some people like A4's. Get over it 😛

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: Fmr12B

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
really.. you're one of the very few that would take a cts over a BMW 335.

shows that the 335 being the overall performance leader over the cts. and everyone in the world + your mother agrees the bmw is a much more pure driving experience than a cadillac

CTS - 87 Octane fuel
CTS - more interior room
CTS - huge moonroof
CTS - better NAV/Stereo
CTS - cooled seats
CTS - cheaper price
CTS - longer warranty
CTS - LSD
CTS - folding rear seats (best of luck finding a 335 with this option)
CTS - IMO better looking (I hate Bangles design except for the Z4)

BMW - better track car

It would appear if I was in the market for a sports-sedan to which I would dirve at 8/10th's of the limit and use on a daily basis in gridlock, stop & go traffic, toting the kid and her friends around, and escape to the back roads once every 6-months for some fun corner carving I would go CTS.

Majority of BMW dirvers I know are single and the car is on lease.

BMW = purist driving, 50/50, award winning silky smooth i6 engine, BMW, better quality, not bankrupt, higher resale, more people like the bmw and therefore buy it for a reason.

so if they're so good at purist driving, why don't they hold the record for the fastest sedan around the nurburgring? seems like the high and mighty BMW is getting beaten by a bankrupt company. now what does that say about being a purist?

BMW is not the end-all be-all of sedans or performance cars. Some people like CTS's. Some people like 3 series. Some people like A4's. Get over it 😛

Some people in the industry are getting fed up with the product of great 'Ring times, as a car that does well on the 'Ring often drives harshly on a normal road. I drive on a normal road 99.5% of the time.

Calling a car 'better' simply because it has the best time there is silly. It's just best at going around the Nurburgring, that's all.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
keep dreamin my friend there won't be any new performance vehicles from GM for years... u think they have money to pump out low-sales low-profit performance sedans in the already packed performance market with the Germans as competitors?

The G8 GXP is as a performance sedan is unmatched for anything near it's price range, but doesn't include the "snob" appeal of BMW. Sometimes Pontiac's styling and interior are questionable choices but performance-wise in bang-for-the-buck BMW has NOTHING that can touch the GXP, cough up another 35K for a BMW with that kind of fun..

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
actually, there is a clear cut winner. the g35 won the overall, the bmw won 2nd, the caddilac was 3rd. obviously to you, GM(cad) has cars that dominate in every category. it is clear throughout the entire united states that the BMW 3/5 is a better car than the CTS in the luxury sedan market. look at the sales numbers. okay you're going to discredit sales, what r u going to say?

Take a look at what they said about the G35.

Put simply, the 2007 Infiniti G35 wins this test because it's outstanding to drive and it gives you the most car for your money. Its $36,800 as-tested price is the lowest in the test.

The say that its performance isn't as good as the BMW and then talk about how the interior isn't as nice as the other cars. The Cadillac was mentioned to have the best interior right here...

Inside, the CTS is the best-appointed car in the test.

So the G35 doesn't perform as well as the BMW and isn't as nice inside as the Cadillac. It wins by being almost $10k less than some of the other competitors. It's the best value, and good at other things but there are better for performance or interior.

As for sales, just because sales are high that doesn't mean its the best. The average person isn't the best judge of what is best. Many will buy a vehicle based off a perception they have about a vehicle that may or may not be true. Kind of like those people buying toyota trucks for reliability only to have them rust in half. Don't trust the population, if they only picked the best American Idol wouldn't have the ratings that it does. The population as a whole is not that bright and tends to buy because of feelings, not necessarily because of any good reason.

 

[DougK62]

Guys, you should know better than to feed the LOUISSSSS troll.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
gmis trying to cut down on its size. you dont do this by producing more shitty cars that nobody will buy. how many people buy the cts vs base 3. how many people buy the cts-v vs 330/m3/m5/m6?

i see so many m6's and m3's in NYC

That "shitty" car beats the M3/M5/M6 around just about any track including the Nurburgring on their own turf. It has a top notch interior and a fantastic drivetrain.

The CTS is selling just fine and is a world class vehicle. Get over yourself.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero


Some people in the industry are getting fed up with the product of great 'Ring times, as a car that does well on the 'Ring often drives harshly on a normal road. I drive on a normal road 99.5% of the time.

Calling a car 'better' simply because it has the best time there is silly. It's just best at going around the Nurburgring, that's all.

The funny thing is...the CTS excels at being a "regular" car as well.