cKGunslinger
Lifer
As much as a scum as this guy appears to be, the customer is just as much to blame here, as bad as that sounds.
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MercenaryForHire
Lifer
compuwiz1, don't worry too much about this. Aimster is well-known to be full of crap, so I wouldn't believe anything he says until he posts a picture of the bill of sale with a sign that says "Yes ATOT, This Really Happened" 😛
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DougK62
Diamond Member
That sounds like what any car dealership would do. They're all huge scammers. They threw every trick in the book at me when I bought a new car just months ago, and they knew that I did my homework. And they even had the nerve to tell me how honest they are compared to other dealerships.
Old Hippie
Diamond Member
Civic Improvement FTW. :thumbsup:
No, the customer is not at fault for thinking they could trust a compatriot, of all people. The customer does not deserve to be cheated - sure, they don't deserve the best deal if they didn't take the trouble to do some research. But it is not normal to expect to be cheated like that.
I was cheated like that when I bought my first car because I came from a foreign country too and in just 8 months in the U.S, I didn't know that I could research edmunds.com and learn all the tricks a car salesman would use. I'm the kind of guy that doesn't mind spending a few bucks more if it means I'll have a more pleasant experience - be it at a hotel or a restaurant or just about any place I am spending money. But I've bought 2 more new cars since my first car and I take a perverse pleasure in making the salesman earn every penny of his commission. I love it when I pretend to walk away from a purchase and see the salesman roll his eyes and sigh deeply and shake his head and then come back and say yes he is going to starve that week but will sell the car for my price. But that is not normal. All the salesman would have to do is to not try to gyp me and I would happily pay a little more for the pleasant experience. That would be normal. But no, they have to pull that stunt with me and I make them pay for it. Makes me want to go look at a few cars simply to give the salesmen a hard time :evil:
EDIT: I think I made it sound like all car salesmen are like that; I'm sure they're not. But I still love driving a hard bargain with them 🙂
I've heard of several car dealerships that want to close shop and hide behind their desks when they see Indians walk in the door. I was cheated precisely because I wanted to break the stereotype of a haggling Indian. Never again 😛
I've never heard of an Indian car dealership manager either (if they can operate a computer, they are in IT) and given that this is Aimster, I would guess Iranian or some other middle eastern country.
And why aren't you Elite yet? Too many useful posts? 😉
The real moral of the story here is never trust a car salesman, new or used. I went through extensive "how they work" instruction a few years back for a prosecution (involving dealerships leasing expensive cars to drug dealers by circumventing reporting requirements and intentionally misleading tax, DMV, etc.) and aside from the tried and true methods like the California Method, the underlying sales technique is to gain trust of the purchaser, then exploit it as much as possible. Add that to the trickery that goes with the upsell and value adds after a price has been settled and it is more often then not an extraordiarly frustrating experience for an informed buyer (and often a painless yet financially painful experience for the uninformed.)
The manager is scum but I agree with a couple others that the customers should carry part of the blame. I'm sorry but if you're so unprepared for what is a major purchase, that you don't get the OTD (out the door) price and question all the fees, then I say buyer beware. I've bought a lot of cars but I've never bought one based solely on a monthly payment. To not carefully comb through the sales sheet to see every single charge is just dumb and you really have no business out shopping for cars. If that's your best option, then pay someone a fee to negotiate for you.
We all know the vast majority of dealerships are shady so you have to go into one as a very defensive, educated and prepared customer. If you aren't, then prepare to get screwed over.
We all know the vast majority of dealerships are shady so you have to go into one as a very defensive, educated and prepared customer. If you aren't, then prepare to get screwed over.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
You simply don't go into a deal involving ~$20K without reading the paperwork and having some basic understanding what you are getting into, no matter how FOB you may be.
Also, when I briefly priced Trailblazers, they were $32K - was this a used car?
Brutuskend
Lifer
For the short time I sold cars I saw that same thing done ALL the time.
Unfortunately, that is the standard and not a exception... :|
Wow that's just stupid. Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
When I bought my car I told them up front that I wouldn't buy a new car from them unless they paid off my trade-in ($2K more than blue book value). They asked who I was financed with and I told them I had it on 2 0% interest credit cards. That blew their finance person away, that I would be aware enough of my finances to do that, so I don't think he would have had the nerve to pull something like that. Of course I watched everything I signed, but I can't really think he would have tried.
Not to mention it's the biggest-name dealership in the state, so they can't really afford to do something like this that could merit a lawsuit.
I really hope that Aimster can provide Compuwiz with what he needs to cause problems for them. I'd love to watch it happen.
When I bought my car I told them up front that I wouldn't buy a new car from them unless they paid off my trade-in ($2K more than blue book value). They asked who I was financed with and I told them I had it on 2 0% interest credit cards. That blew their finance person away, that I would be aware enough of my finances to do that, so I don't think he would have had the nerve to pull something like that. Of course I watched everything I signed, but I can't really think he would have tried.
Not to mention it's the biggest-name dealership in the state, so they can't really afford to do something like this that could merit a lawsuit.
I really hope that Aimster can provide Compuwiz with what he needs to cause problems for them. I'd love to watch it happen.
SoundTheSurrender
Diamond Member
My parents friends are Polish and were dealing with a Polish car sales woman.
She lied to them and told them they will be owning the car. 3 years later they get a letter that the LEASE is up. They were paying for a car they were not going to own. They had to pay 3,000 grand because they went over the mileage limit for the car.
This happened to my other friend as well. This bullshit should be checked by law. How can they tell you you are going to be a owner of this car then make you sign a lease.
She lied to them and told them they will be owning the car. 3 years later they get a letter that the LEASE is up. They were paying for a car they were not going to own. They had to pay 3,000 grand because they went over the mileage limit for the car.
This happened to my other friend as well. This bullshit should be checked by law. How can they tell you you are going to be a owner of this car then make you sign a lease.
DarkThinker
Platinum Member
Aimster how can you call such a low person a friend? It's true those people weren't the smartest bunch in the bag, however they put faith into that man, they trusted him to give them a good deal, I don't care what business is about, intentions determine the nature of actions that's what my belief is. This man's intentions (which were clearly stated to you) were to rip that family off and make a buck out of it.
My friend's know one thing about me, and it's that I could never hide an honest opinion about something of this magnitude.
If I were you I would go give that "friend" of your's a piece of my mind and then track that family down, give them a call and inform them about this man that they looked up to. Once they confront him, he should feel very good about himself. And if he doesn't change his mind, I would tell that family to keep it legal and go around to members of the "community" and show them a copy of the deal, I bet those "12 oil changes in a year for $950." should earn him good rep in the community, people would be taking a number to buy a car from him :disgust:
My friend's know one thing about me, and it's that I could never hide an honest opinion about something of this magnitude.
If I were you I would go give that "friend" of your's a piece of my mind and then track that family down, give them a call and inform them about this man that they looked up to. Once they confront him, he should feel very good about himself. And if he doesn't change his mind, I would tell that family to keep it legal and go around to members of the "community" and show them a copy of the deal, I bet those "12 oil changes in a year for $950." should earn him good rep in the community, people would be taking a number to buy a car from him :disgust:
Demon-Xanth
Lifer
Car dealerships can be fun if you know what to look for. 🙂
If they say "Help me out here", that means that they're about to fold. 😀
<-- was there with his cousin when he knocked the price of a brand new GTO down to $27,800. I just wish I was there when my brother in law got his '03 Ram for $30,500 (diesel, 4WD, 4 door...). He had a friend who was in finance at the dealership that owed him a favor. When she saw the form, numbers started dropping like people in Jonestown. My dad and myself went through fleet dealers and had custom ordered trucks. We both paid $500 over invoice, which I consider fair.
If they say "Help me out here", that means that they're about to fold. 😀
<-- was there with his cousin when he knocked the price of a brand new GTO down to $27,800. I just wish I was there when my brother in law got his '03 Ram for $30,500 (diesel, 4WD, 4 door...). He had a friend who was in finance at the dealership that owed him a favor. When she saw the form, numbers started dropping like people in Jonestown. My dad and myself went through fleet dealers and had custom ordered trucks. We both paid $500 over invoice, which I consider fair.
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