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Car chase ends in death, mystery
- Thread starter ElFenix
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Well he did something wrong. Otherwise he would not have been running at 120 MPH with guns in his car.
I think it?s kind of funny that friends that that the dead guy knew assume they know everything about him and say, ?He had no reason to run, he was happy.? When the dead guy would not tell them what he did specifically, and kept parts of his life secret. There is more to this story than the public may ever know. Maybe the guy just snapped spooks tend to do that every now and then they get all hyper paranoid.
I think it?s kind of funny that friends that that the dead guy knew assume they know everything about him and say, ?He had no reason to run, he was happy.? When the dead guy would not tell them what he did specifically, and kept parts of his life secret. There is more to this story than the public may ever know. Maybe the guy just snapped spooks tend to do that every now and then they get all hyper paranoid.
daniel1113
Diamond Member
Speeding and having guns in your car is hardly related since guns in cars is perfectly legal in most states. However, this is a very strange situation overall.
KB
Diamond Member
Maybe he is the mall ninja. He sounds like the type: http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/
Jeeebus
Diamond Member
I like how he was ultra-secretive about his job but would freely tell anyone that he was a high level intelligence agent, demonstrate knife tricks, and perform karate. We've all seen this guy before... he's the sleazy car dealer in True Lies that tries to get with Arnie's wife... didn't work so well then, didn't work so well now.
DisgruntledVirus
Lifer
My question is did they find any weapons under the seat?
If not they shot an unarmed man (okay he had weapons in his car, but its TEXAS who DOESN'T have weapons in their car? 🙂 lol), and while I certainly can understand the officers fear for their safety I think they might have been a bit premature about shooting him. The article states he was reaching under his seat, that doesn't mean he should get shot. I usually side with police, but I can't on this one. The mystery behind the guy and what he did just makes it more interesting.
I also would like to know why police were chasing him and the reason behind the chase. Was it a routine traffic stop, or did he commit a crime and was fleeing the scene?
If not they shot an unarmed man (okay he had weapons in his car, but its TEXAS who DOESN'T have weapons in their car? 🙂 lol), and while I certainly can understand the officers fear for their safety I think they might have been a bit premature about shooting him. The article states he was reaching under his seat, that doesn't mean he should get shot. I usually side with police, but I can't on this one. The mystery behind the guy and what he did just makes it more interesting.
I also would like to know why police were chasing him and the reason behind the chase. Was it a routine traffic stop, or did he commit a crime and was fleeing the scene?
that's what i was thinking, that this guy wasn't really some sort of intelligence agent
he was a concealed carry holder and it was a routine traffic stop, according to the article. also, according to the article, there was a weapon in close reach, but not necessarily under the seat or within easy access.
what's odd is that concealed carry permits usually cause officers to relax. and as a concealed carry holder, you're supposed to declare if you're currently carrying if you get stopped. i imagine that happened, but then the guy took off for whatever reason. so the cops probably knew the guy had a weapon in the car. why start to reach?
this ended right near my office. all i knew about it until this morning was that three news helicopters were flying around half of yesterday morning.
biggestmuff
Diamond Member
:roll:
clamum
Lifer
Wow that is weird. I heard this on the news last night here and started watching when they mentioned the Galleria. Last night there was no mention of his possible CIA/FBI/whatever ties, just that he lead cops on a high-speed chase and didn't cooperate. He opened the door and started to reach under the seat when the news said the cops fired a couple times and hit him in the abdomen, I believe. Not sure what to make of this.
JeffreyLebowski
Lifer
The officers knew he was a CHL. In knowing that you would expect him to be carrying a pistol, as all the CHL's I know don't go anywhere without one, especially if you are in Houston. It seems he wanted to commit suicide by cop. If all the agencies are denying him, then maybe he was a agent, but just not one of ours? Hmmmm.
BrunoPuntzJones
Lifer
Found this on another forum. Shit just got weird...
Link
A chief of CIA covert operations...
Edit: Fucking thing won't link right, copy and paste
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:n5CBk3g966UJ😛apparazzipress.blogspot.com/2008/02/premels-intel-chief-retires.html+Roland+Carnaby&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=13&gl=us
EDIT: DAMNIT. Still won't link. Here's the text.
Tuesday, February 12, 2008
Premel's Intel Chief Retires
Following the first series of interviews Alan Premel gave with Channel 1 in Moscow, the first series was posted online last week and i have already seen two other additional stories which tie in with Premel and his dealings with the private firm in Houston. This is one and let me find the other.
One of the CIA's former counter-terrorism chiefs and pioneers in covert operations, Roland Carnaby retires.
In the past few months, Mr. Carnaby, who has led a private intelligence firm in Houston, Texas has been delegating more and moredaily responsibilities to his lietenants and is completing his succession planning, say people familiar with the matter. A decision about his departure could come within weeks, though the situation remains fluid, say these people.
Alan Premel, 32 years old, whom CIA recruited in 1997 and whom Carnaby personally recruited in 2002 to work with the private intelligence firm in Houston has emerged as the leading candidate to succeed him, added these people. A spokesperson familiar with the retirement plans stated that Premel and his current worries with the US Senate over allegations and ties to the CIA's Rendition program and his recent resignation from CIA amid a slew of disclosure cases pulls him out of the race for President and chief of such a power position within the intelligence community.
The departure of Mr. Carnaby, 52, would mean the loss of CIA's most experienced, talented and high profile clandestine officers in management. Few executives who helped pioneer the commercialization of private intelligence and private security firms have remained on top for as long, except for some who can also claim founder titles, such as Patriot Oil, and Pan-American Shipping and Consulting Group.
Mr. Carnaby's retirement would come at a critical point for CIA. Any efforts to reveerse the slow-down at his private firm could involve drastic changes that may be more palatable under a new CEO like Premel. Mr. Premel, at CIA, was very instrumental in many changes at CIA as a successful supervisor in the Balkans. His management experience at CIA is 25 years behind Carnaby's but with the firm already warning investors in recent months that it will be raising fees in the absence of Mr. Carnaby.
Mr. Premel wrestled with how to reverse the declining momentum before having to exit left stage last summer from the firm after his public disclosure. The firm's third quarter numbers, a key barometer of the firm's health fell 63% without Premel. Before leaving he implemented some changes that were never fully set into motion causing the down-turn after his sudden departure.
The timing of Mr. Carnaby's retirement is of his own choosing, say people familiar with the situation, unlike Premel's pre-mature departure which came 20-years too soon say experts. Not long after he jonied CIA, Roland Carnaby declared that no one person should stay in the same cover in covert operations more than two years. A standard practice used by the firm. This philosophy has accredited the firm with a lot of success claims Mr. Premel in his interview with CNN's David Ensor late of last year.
Under James Pavitt and Roland Carnaby, the firm has become the intelligence community's most successful private consulting business on counter-terrorism, security consulting and intelligence gathering where they pioneered a way for private officers to carry out day to day functions in the field, relay them back to CIA, DoD, DIA or other foreign agencies. In 2004, Mr. Premel streamlined a way for collecting, compliling and disseminating vast amounts of data and breaking it down by himself. The process which is only done by one person, Mr. Premel himself is the work of what 7-9 officers would typically do.
When Carnaby and Premel shared the reigns from 2004-2007, they have delivered more than 10 consecutive quarters of sequential revenue growth. Profit increase every year and the company now has 248 licensed contract officers working for the firm globally, and $297 million in classified contracts over 5 continents. Those figures are up from the firms $18 million in 1997.
To maintain momentum, Mr. Premel, using $40 million from a settlement with CIA, purchased a private lending company in Houston as well as acquiring a private shipping business and a private internet ticketing business.
There were missteps: Last year, the firm took a $80.4 million write-down for its purchase of a private airline business in DC, Houston and Vegas. And threats loomed when recruitment of some of the firm's top and most talented officer's. To keep top talent, Mr. Carnaby and Mr. Premel kicked in an extra $2.4 million for salaries and bonuses to keep the firm afloat.
Mr. Carnaby has long planned for his eventual exit, say people familiar with the matter. He often rotated top officer's into different operational roles as a way to groom potential successors and to give the board a slate of candidates from which to choose.
In his departing emails to friends, firm and CIA colleagues, Mr. Carnaby wrote how much he was pleased by the professionalism and careers of each and all of the persons who have served under him and with him during his 32-year tenure in the US Intelligence Community.
Link
A chief of CIA covert operations...
Edit: Fucking thing won't link right, copy and paste
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:n5CBk3g966UJ😛apparazzipress.blogspot.com/2008/02/premels-intel-chief-retires.html+Roland+Carnaby&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=13&gl=us
EDIT: DAMNIT. Still won't link. Here's the text.
Tuesday, February 12, 2008
Premel's Intel Chief Retires
Following the first series of interviews Alan Premel gave with Channel 1 in Moscow, the first series was posted online last week and i have already seen two other additional stories which tie in with Premel and his dealings with the private firm in Houston. This is one and let me find the other.
One of the CIA's former counter-terrorism chiefs and pioneers in covert operations, Roland Carnaby retires.
In the past few months, Mr. Carnaby, who has led a private intelligence firm in Houston, Texas has been delegating more and moredaily responsibilities to his lietenants and is completing his succession planning, say people familiar with the matter. A decision about his departure could come within weeks, though the situation remains fluid, say these people.
Alan Premel, 32 years old, whom CIA recruited in 1997 and whom Carnaby personally recruited in 2002 to work with the private intelligence firm in Houston has emerged as the leading candidate to succeed him, added these people. A spokesperson familiar with the retirement plans stated that Premel and his current worries with the US Senate over allegations and ties to the CIA's Rendition program and his recent resignation from CIA amid a slew of disclosure cases pulls him out of the race for President and chief of such a power position within the intelligence community.
The departure of Mr. Carnaby, 52, would mean the loss of CIA's most experienced, talented and high profile clandestine officers in management. Few executives who helped pioneer the commercialization of private intelligence and private security firms have remained on top for as long, except for some who can also claim founder titles, such as Patriot Oil, and Pan-American Shipping and Consulting Group.
Mr. Carnaby's retirement would come at a critical point for CIA. Any efforts to reveerse the slow-down at his private firm could involve drastic changes that may be more palatable under a new CEO like Premel. Mr. Premel, at CIA, was very instrumental in many changes at CIA as a successful supervisor in the Balkans. His management experience at CIA is 25 years behind Carnaby's but with the firm already warning investors in recent months that it will be raising fees in the absence of Mr. Carnaby.
Mr. Premel wrestled with how to reverse the declining momentum before having to exit left stage last summer from the firm after his public disclosure. The firm's third quarter numbers, a key barometer of the firm's health fell 63% without Premel. Before leaving he implemented some changes that were never fully set into motion causing the down-turn after his sudden departure.
The timing of Mr. Carnaby's retirement is of his own choosing, say people familiar with the situation, unlike Premel's pre-mature departure which came 20-years too soon say experts. Not long after he jonied CIA, Roland Carnaby declared that no one person should stay in the same cover in covert operations more than two years. A standard practice used by the firm. This philosophy has accredited the firm with a lot of success claims Mr. Premel in his interview with CNN's David Ensor late of last year.
Under James Pavitt and Roland Carnaby, the firm has become the intelligence community's most successful private consulting business on counter-terrorism, security consulting and intelligence gathering where they pioneered a way for private officers to carry out day to day functions in the field, relay them back to CIA, DoD, DIA or other foreign agencies. In 2004, Mr. Premel streamlined a way for collecting, compliling and disseminating vast amounts of data and breaking it down by himself. The process which is only done by one person, Mr. Premel himself is the work of what 7-9 officers would typically do.
When Carnaby and Premel shared the reigns from 2004-2007, they have delivered more than 10 consecutive quarters of sequential revenue growth. Profit increase every year and the company now has 248 licensed contract officers working for the firm globally, and $297 million in classified contracts over 5 continents. Those figures are up from the firms $18 million in 1997.
To maintain momentum, Mr. Premel, using $40 million from a settlement with CIA, purchased a private lending company in Houston as well as acquiring a private shipping business and a private internet ticketing business.
There were missteps: Last year, the firm took a $80.4 million write-down for its purchase of a private airline business in DC, Houston and Vegas. And threats loomed when recruitment of some of the firm's top and most talented officer's. To keep top talent, Mr. Carnaby and Mr. Premel kicked in an extra $2.4 million for salaries and bonuses to keep the firm afloat.
Mr. Carnaby has long planned for his eventual exit, say people familiar with the matter. He often rotated top officer's into different operational roles as a way to groom potential successors and to give the board a slate of candidates from which to choose.
In his departing emails to friends, firm and CIA colleagues, Mr. Carnaby wrote how much he was pleased by the professionalism and careers of each and all of the persons who have served under him and with him during his 32-year tenure in the US Intelligence Community.
IceBergSLiM
Lifer
Secret.....Agent Man
Dude was a real life james bond in the private sector making serious loot. Wow. His life would probably make a spectacular hollywood movie trilogy.
Dude was a real life james bond in the private sector making serious loot. Wow. His life would probably make a spectacular hollywood movie trilogy.
IceBergSLiM
Lifer
I certainly hope the govt. could pull off a simple hit more quietly than this publicity nightmare.
high speed chase with cops killing him as cameras roll.....ughhhh no. That is as overt and anti-clandestine as it gets.
Perhaps this was all faked and he isn't dead at all.....now that would be an interesting twist!
IceBergSLiM
Lifer
anymore updates?
i am willing to bet the guy had some bipolar disorder and just told people he worked for the FBI/CIA, and his wife fell for it, and he was making money illegally.......
I think there was a law and order about this , the guy said he worked for the united nations, but was actually living with two families at the same time ,and was making money just off some inheritance from a dead parent...
I think there was a law and order about this , the guy said he worked for the united nations, but was actually living with two families at the same time ,and was making money just off some inheritance from a dead parent...
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