capitalism is exploitation of the working class

[wchou]

They will never be rich, will pay debt till they drop dead. Very depressing and it won't change anytime soon until everyone band together and do something about it.

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[StormRider]

I like capitalism although I do think it needs some tweaking. I do think people's lives are generally better with capitalism than other forms of society. Our poor is so much better off than other country's poor. And the people we've "exploited" for cheap labor in the past (Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan etc) seem to now have much higher standard of living than if we never "exploited" them.

 

[Brackis]

Are things bearable? Yes, people can survive living meanless lives and in the cave of ignorance
Could things be improved further than they are? Absolutley.

Saying that the current status of America is sad doesnt mean scrapping the system, just streamlining it.

 

[Beowulf]

Working class worker over here and I must say I like capitalism its not perfect but it ain't bad at all.Sure it may have its flaws like everything but its ten times better then the system I lived in when I was in Cuba.My life isn't meaningless at all and I don't think consumerism is some evil.Items don't make me happy but certain stuff I want adds to the standard I want in life I don't expect it to be the same for everyone I'm just happy to live in a great country like the USA.

 

[Dissipate]

Left wing Marxist garbage. Everything said in that has been disproven over 100 years ago.

Bwhahahaha. Scratch that. This is Left wing Utopian Marxist garbage.

Buckminster Fuller once said that the world could have one billion billionaires, in terms of the quality of our lives, if we worked together. This is an achievable goal if we work for the good of everyone, instead of the good of the few.

A billion billionaires under some socialist scheme? Completely nuts.

 

[Cerb]

Capitalism, socialism, communism...none exploit the workers.
PEOPLE exploit them, not the system. The PEOPLE helping control the system.
I don't like it any more than anyone else, and think even more of this world is absolute garbage than most people, but that link is also garbage.

I do agree that the move towards consumerism was, in fact, a bad one on many levels. Beyond that, the paper is bogus.

The system is fine and perfectly viable. The PEOPLE need changing.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
A billion billionaires under some socialist scheme? Completely nuts.

I'm sure it could happen, but if everyone is a billionaire, who has superior buying power?

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Dissipate
A billion billionaires under some socialist scheme? Completely nuts.

I'm sure it could happen, but if everyone is a billionaire, who has superior buying power?

The ones who have faith in the lord savior Jesus Christ almighty hallelujah...and those who shop at walmart.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Dissipate
A billion billionaires under some socialist scheme? Completely nuts.

I'm sure it could happen, but if everyone is a billionaire, who has superior buying power?

It could only happen if the Fed printed up enough money for there to be a billion billionaires. Of course, if it did this, you probably wouldn't be able to get a loaf of bread for a billion dollars at that point.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Brackis
The ones who have faith in the lord savior Jesus Christ almighty hallelujah...and those who shop at walmart.

Even in this thread we get anti-Christian comments. Amazing. Here's your token troll food for your efforts: .

 

[SuperTool]

It's a fact of nature that the weak get exploited. If you are one of many employees looking for one job, you get exploited. If you are one employee that everyone is looking for, you do the exploiting. The insane wages in Silicon Valley during the 90's could be considered exploitation of the businesses. Hell, I got paid $25/hr + $1000/month for housing as an intern, where I was basically just learning things, and I didn't even stick with the company after graduation. Just milked them while the milking was good. The key is to weather the times when you are weak, take advantage of the times when the employers are weak, and have enough saved up to be ready for the bad times again. Oh, and don't major in something stupid. Best bit of advice my teacher gave me.

 

[ntdz]

I bet our working class have better lives than 90% of the rest of the countries in the world. What countries are the most successful and richest in the world? Capitalist countries.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not that I agree with the profitless system advocated in the article, but ntdz's assertion that capitalist countries are the most successful is misleading, at best.

There are no purely capitalist countries. They're all "mixed economies" to some degree or another, having socialist, feudalist, and capitalist elements combined, and vary as to effectiveness of equitability efforts. Controlled capitalism, in other words.

And, no matter how it's defined, any society where feudalist and capitalist interests grow faster than GDP is exploitative of those whose share is shrinking. No matter where that society stands in terms of relative wealth, the eventual results are a third world distribution of wealth, with feudalism masquerading as capitalism.

Various societies have developed mechanisms to prevent that process, the most successful being collective bargaining, graduated income taxes and inheritance taxes, which the financial elite will always oppose and seek to subvert. The degree of success in such efforts defines the long term prospects for economic justice in any society, and, increasingly, in the whole planet's global economy.

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[Ldir]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Brackis
The ones who have faith in the lord savior Jesus Christ almighty hallelujah...and those who shop at walmart.

Even in this thread we get anti-Christian comments. Amazing. Here's your token troll food for your efforts: .

Get over yourself. That is anti-Christian only if you choose to interpret it as sarcasm. It could just as easily be a positive affirmation of his faith. Maybe you should ask yourself why you see every comment as anti-Christian. Do you feel inferior? Maybe you have personal issues you should work on.

 

[irwincur]

A billion billionaires under some socialist scheme? Completely nuts.

Wouldn't really mean much.

1. If there were a billion billionaires the only thing it would tell me is that inflation is out of control - which is a byproduct of Socialism.

2. What is the point, if all the wealth is redistributed - that would mean that the elite class would be a billion people. Pretty wasteful and inefficient government if you ask me.



Where is this recent push towards Socialism coming from? I know all of the anti-war protests were organized by Socialists and Stalinists but give me a break - they have indoctrinated you that easily. I suggest that all of those that feel so strongly about the positive power of Socialism/Communism take a short vacation to Eastern Europe where it is still fresh in the minds of the people.

Amazing that a system that has failed, was never properly planned, and lead to the deaths of literally hundreds of millions of people would even be considered just a short decade since it was vanquished. I guess there will always be stupid people that fail to read the tea leaves of history.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Left wing Marxist garbage. Everything said in that has been disproven over 100 years ago.

Bwhahahaha. Scratch that. This is Left wing Utopian Marxist garbage.

Buckminster Fuller once said that the world could have one billion billionaires, in terms of the quality of our lives, if we worked together. This is an achievable goal if we work for the good of everyone, instead of the good of the few.

A billion billionaires under some socialist scheme? Completely nuts.

You guys misunderstood that comment. He said "the world could have on billion billionaires, in terms of the quality of our lives...". So he is basically suggesting we could live as well as billionaires do if we worked together- not that we'd have to actually be billionaires.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: irwincur


2. What is the point, if all the wealth is redistributed - that would mean that the elite class would be a billion people. Pretty wasteful and inefficient government if you ask me.

Huh? Why would that be "wasteful and inefficient" if wealth was more evenly distributed? Why in your opinion does there need to be such a drastic wealth gap in order for the government to be efficient? This oughta be good...

 

[conjur]

Capitalism = 2st Century version of Colonialism.

 

[imported_Condor]

The issue isn't the system, but the people in it. There is always a segment of society that feels that they must exploit labors of another. No system is immune from these wretched people. Communism may have been the best economic system in the history of humankind, but those same sorts of people wrecked it. A pretty current example of that is the Canadian health care system. It was a good design, but the people who wreck it are the ones who go to the Dr. for every pain and ache. That swamps the system and many of them need nothing more than an aspirin or to lose weight or stop boozing or smoking. The ones that use the Canadian system for a medical retirement are pretty bad as well. The Canadian system was just a current example and I am not interested in discussing the Canadian system.

 

[Genx87]

A billion billionaires under some socialist scheme? Completely nuts.

You are missing the point. Under the communist system inflation goes through the roof. So yeah we could have a billion billionaires. Problem is the ice cream cone you want for a desert costs 3 billion

btw if this is the middle ages Ill let my noble know so he can change the sun-dial.
He mistakenly thought it was 2005.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Condor
The issue isn't the system, but the people in it. There is always a segment of society that feels that they must exploit labors of another. No system is immune from these wretched people. Communism may have been the best economic system in the history of humankind, but those same sorts of people wrecked it. A pretty current example of that is the Canadian health care system. It was a good design, but the people who wreck it are the ones who go to the Dr. for every pain and ache. That swamps the system and many of them need nothing more than an aspirin or to lose weight or stop boozing or smoking. The ones that use the Canadian system for a medical retirement are pretty bad as well. The Canadian system was just a current example and I am not interested in discussing the Canadian system.

I'll agree that any system can go to far. I think an utopian communist state as unrealistic as the thought that unrestricted capitalism is the answer to all, and is a benevelent thing. I am content to live in the system we have which is neither. I like limits on what the powerful can do to the weak. I know the argument about government is coming, but for the moment, I have no one peeking in my windows, and I do not have to worry about getting fired because someone higher up the food chain wants to steal from me and there is no law or agency to prevent it.

 

[Queasy]

For some reason, this whole thread just makes me think of the scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where King Arthur runs across the peasants working in the field....

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Queasy
For some reason, this whole thread just makes me think of the scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where King Arthur runs across the peasants working in the field....

Arthur: I am your King!
Peasant: I didn't vote for you...
Arthur: You don't vote for Kings!
Peasant: Well how'd you become King then?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Ldir
Get over yourself. That is anti-Christian only if you choose to interpret it as sarcasm. It could just as easily be a positive affirmation of his faith. Maybe you should ask yourself why you see every comment as anti-Christian. Do you feel inferior? Maybe you have personal issues you should work on.

Maybe I'm just aware of the bigotry quotient on this forum. The fact that you posted in this thread now just confirms my worst fears. If I'm the one that feels inferior, why do you only respond to my posts with personal attacks? Maybe I'm not the one with male genitalia envy, after all.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure anyone with third grade reading comprehension skills knew exactly what he was doing with the statement I quoted previously. Sorry if you haven't reached that plateau yet.

 

[Brackis]

One major problem above all is how different vocations are valued in terms of pay and reward.
A bond trader contributes nothing to society while a factory worker is the backbone of everyday living.