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Can't overclock asus p4ge, P4 1.8, need advice

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neo4s

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My system...

asus P4GE-V
P4 1.8A B0 stepping
256mb Mushkin PC2700 DDR
13 gig IBM ATA66
Antec smart power 350W psu
Windows 98SE

All the hardware checks good. Temps are good (41 idle)

Almost all BIOS settings are set to auto. When I increase the BIOS "CPU External Frequency" to anything over 100MHz I get windows errors as soon as windows starts. Over about 110MHz windows wont even start. I raised the CPU voltage to 1.6 volts, I tried locking the AGP and PCI Bus to 66 and 33 MHz.

If theres any info I left out, just ask. Any advice would be appreciated.
 
if youve locked agp/pci in spec you should be ok...

try raising ram voltage a bit....
put the cpu to 1.65v

what kind of errors?
(like blah blah blah file is corrupted/not found or what?)

alsoi just noticed you have ata66 hd lol
awesome system, but ata66 drive...
just looks kinda odd

but anywyas...pci is locked so it shouldnt matter
 
errors...
if I increase the external frequency a few MHz I get errors messages like "explorer - this program has performed an illegal operation and cannot continue" if I raise it a little more I get blue screens of death. If I raise it to 110MHz or more windows tries to load, but I get a message saying "windows protection error, you must restart your computer"

I set the CPU to 1.6 volts and the RAM to 2.6 volts. Im still getting the same errors at the same times. I dont want to raise the voltage too much more, it just stresses the components.

Yea, the HDD is pretty old, believe it or not its a 7200 RPM - but its never given me any trouble so I keep using it.
 
I also wanted to add that I had a hell of a time getting windows to install. Tried XP first, it kept locking during install, then ran unstable after I got it on. 98se install went better and it runs ok, but Ive got a little instability, nothing too bad.

I should be able to OC my computer - but I cant and its pissing me off. Any helpfull advice would greatly improve my blood pressure.
 
Try running Memtest86, it's easy and takes about 20 minutes. You can find it in the sticky thread here. If it gives errors, your memory may be flaky.
 
I would look at memory first...test as mechbgon stated...also make sure you install with no coing at all and the memory at spd. Try using a different dimm slot if you can...

The other thing I would look at is power supply...Look at the +3.3,+5,+12, and vcore voltages at idle in windows and then load it with prim95 and look at it there...
 
I ran memtest86 for 8 hours without any errors, also ran "the troubleshooter" (bootable diagnostic) and Burn In Test without any memory errors - so I think the memory is ok.

I checked the +12 volt with my digital multimeter at idle and under full load, and it stayed right at 12 volts to 11.9 volts. Its a good meter. Asus probe says 12 volt is at 11.8 volts, and it says all other voltages are ok at full load - so I think the psu is ok.

I think the hardware is all ok. Could windows be the problem - or maybe a driver?
 
The "windows protectiomn error" make sme thing some sort of hardware conflict or compatability issue....DRivers yes could be causing this but tha fact you talk about corrupted and difficult installs makes me think possibly the HDD...

Run diagnostic on the HDD...

Also what I would do is tear down the computer to bear essentials...

1)cpu
2)mobo
3)1 stick of ram
4)1 HDD
5)1 cd-rom

See if you can installwindows properly then raise the oc from there...If you can get past 110 then it is some pci card or so added later.

at over 110 does the pc post to the bios screen??? try before fresh reformat of windows and 1 thru 5 listed above disconnect HDD and try just boosting cpu fsb and just get it to post and go into bios and watch temps and voltages...

Make sure agp/pci lock is on manual 66/33 and not auto...auto at some frequencies may actaully be slightly out of the 66/33 spec...
 
Maybe your video card... maybe not... might be worth while just to try with another one.

If you use built in video or sound, it maybe a culprite also. Try disabling them in the BIOS and then see about OC'ing.
I had an issue with a dying GF2 Ultra that gave the same problems as yours.
My onboard sound on my BE7-R bites the big one. Not sure if you read my reply in Thugs thread about AGP/PCI OC'ing. But I am not sure if it would cause your problems.
 
If the hard drive seems iffy, also try a fresh, boring flat 80-wire ribbon cable. Put the drive and mobo on opposite ends and leave the middle position vacant (prevents signal bounce on vacant cable).
 
First thing I noticed is that your using a 400 mhz FSB CPU. If you want to overclock your CPU, your going to have to upgrade to a 533Mhz FSB CPU(at least a 2.26Ghz). Sorry about that bad news though!
You won't be able to crank the FSB up past the default setting reliably, with the processor your currently running. Other than that, you have a great board, just need to outfit with the right components to get the most out of it.
 
Originally posted by: Jimborama
First thing I noticed is that your using a 400 mhz FSB CPU. If you want to overclock your CPU, your going to have to upgrade to a 533Mhz FSB CPU(at least a 2.26Ghz). Sorry about that bad news though!
You won't be able to crank the FSB up past the default setting reliably, with the processor your currently running. Other than that, you have a great board, just need to outfit with the right components to get the most out of it.
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???
 
The more I read about your problem, it does remind me of Memory Timing Issues, try clocking your memory down to 266 Mhz, and just set your Memory timings to aggresive. That might help? IF system runs stably, at that setting, then try it again at 333Mhz, as that might be all you can get with that CPU.
 
Originally posted by: Jimborama
First thing I noticed is that your using a 400 mhz FSB CPU. If you want to overclock your CPU, your going to have to upgrade to a 533Mhz FSB CPU(at least a 2.26Ghz). Sorry about that bad news though!
You won't be able to crank the FSB up past the default setting reliably, with the processor your currently running. Other than that, you have a great board, just need to outfit with the right components to get the most out of it.
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i think that is the nuttiest thing i've ever read in these forums, or any forums for that matter
 
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I just ran scandisk, set it to thorough so it checked everyhting, it says scandisk did not find any errors on this drive. Ive never had any problems with this hard drive, so I think its ok.

The only hardware I have in is...
mobo
CPU
RAM (1 stick)
hard drive
CD-ROM
ZIP drive
floppy
(no video or sound cards - using integrated)

This is the same configuration (and same drives) that I had in my old computer and it ran fine. The 80 pin IDE ribbon cable is new and looks ok.

I increased to 133MHz, it posts fine, but I get the windows protection error before windows can load (same thing at 110MHz) this time the error said ?while initializing device CONFIGMG windows protection error you must restart?

Im really suspicious of the windows install ? it just didn?t want to install for some reason. Im going to fdisk, format and reinstall. This time I wont hook up the zip drive and I?ll disable onboard sound, USB and anything else I can. I?ll let ya know how it goes.

Thanks for the help, even from Jimborama 🙂
 
I just recived a new 1.8A from Newegg that's a poor overclocker compared to other 1.6 and 1.8 cpu's i've had. It needs 1.725v to do 130MHz FBS (2.2GHz)I have a very early 1.6A that runs 2.4GHz with 1.625v. If I got another bad 1.8 then i would suspect Intel might be doing something to prevent overclocking or just shipping CPU's without any headroom. Yours sounds like a marginial CPU but your board could have a problem also. I would sock some more voltage to the CPU to see if it stablizes. You could also try swapping the CPU to a known good motherboard to verify a weak CPU.
 
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I just reloaded 98SE - install went good, only loaded the chipset inf update driver, onboard video driver, and PCI modem driver. Seeme very stable so far. But I still get the same errors after increasing the "CPU external frequency"

I havnt seen a NDIS error.

Everything seems ok - hardware all tests good, software runs good...

I did get my CPU (and mobo, RAM, case) from newegg.com just after Christmas... Its a 1.8A, B0 stepping, S-spec SL63X. And now that I think about it, I could understand the motive for a vendor like newegg to sell CPUs that people cant overclock (burn up) newegg has a good return policy - whats to stop people from overclocking the hell out of a CPU, burning it up, then RMA it for a new one at no charge? This makes sence to me - I'll start a thread concerning this issue.

If anyone has more ideas, PLEASE let me know !!!
 
Ive ran memtest86...

8 hours overclocked to 2GHz @ 444MHz fsb with no errors
8 hours stock speed no errors
Ive also used some other programs like BurnIn and a bootable diagnostic program called "the troubleshooter" all memory tests good every time

Ive got a feeling I just have a weak OCing CPU. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: neo4s
Ive ran memtest86...

8 hours overclocked to 2GHz @ 444MHz fsb with no errors
8 hours stock speed no errors
Ive also used some other programs like BurnIn and a bootable diagnostic program called "the troubleshooter" all memory tests good every time

Ive got a feeling I just have a weak OCing CPU. 🙁
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I comply...
 
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