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Can't find scathing commentary against push-button starting from car reviewer

CZroe

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A few years ago I remember reading a scathing commentary on the pointlessness of push-button key-fob-activated systems that the industry was gravitating towards as a "premium." I'd like to find and read that article again, but all that I can recall was that it was written by a car review journalist and that at least one of the scenarios he presented involved a situation he frequently encountered when driving demo cars. If anyone remembers this or could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. Thanks!
 

foghorn67

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Probably one ranting on one that didn't work. Or had a poor design. I would love to have it on my car. I often carry gear with me, and often I I have to put something down to find the key fob to lock the car.
 

JulesMaximus

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I find the most annoying thing is when you valet park and get out of the car with the key fob in your pocket. Then the valet has to come looking for you to get the damned thing.

Or, my wife gets out of the car and she has the key fob on her. Then I can't start the car or arm the alarm system.
 
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I like the locking features of the fob.. Being able to walk up, pull the handle and get in. But I also really like the physical click of turning an ignition switch, it makes it feel more like a car and less like an appliance.


If I had to pick, I'd keep the key.
 

LTC8K6

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I find the most annoying thing is when you valet park and get out of the car with the key fob in your pocket. Then the valet has to come looking for you to get the damned thing.

Or, my wife gets out of the car and she has the key fob on her. Then I can't start the car or arm the alarm system.

My Jeep came with 2 fobs.

Also, each fob can be linked to the driver memory settings. So the vehicle sets everything the way each driver likes it. The seats, mirrors, radio, etc.

So when I get in using my fob, everything is the way I like it set, including all the radio presets. :biggrin:
 

RKS

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I used to think the push-button start and proximity locks were more so a gimmick (like paddle shifters in an automatic) until I drove my wife's car. Searching for the fob in the rain with armful of groceries sucked as did having to dig the keys out of the back pocket after getting buckled.
 

Meghan54

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I used to think the push-button start and proximity locks were more so a gimmick (like paddle shifters in an automatic) until I drove my wife's car. Searching for the fob in the rain with armful of groceries sucked as did having to dig the keys out of the back pocket after getting buckled.



So, what you're saying is you're not swift enough to realize you need to have your keys in your hand before you run out into the rain with groceries?

And who leaves their keys in their back pocket when entering and sitting in a vehicle? Door magically unlock for you without the keys? Just curious.....
 

RKS

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So, what you're saying is you're not swift enough to realize you need to have your keys in your hand before you run out into the rain with groceries?

And who leaves their keys in their back pocket when entering and sitting in a vehicle? Door magically unlock for you without the keys? Just curious.....

That's correct brighteyes; on my car (I keep the fob in one of my pockets) when I touch the button on the door or trunk they open without keys as is the case with a push-button start. When I occasionally drive my wife's car, I forget that I need to use the fob and keys. It's sorta like feeling for the clutch pedal in an automatic when you are used to a manual.
 
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KentState

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I like the locking features of the fob.. Being able to walk up, pull the handle and get in. But I also really like the physical click of turning an ignition switch, it makes it feel more like a car and less like an appliance.


If I had to pick, I'd keep the key.

Even though my car has keyless entry and start, the actual ignition switch is still like a regular car, expect there isn't a place for the key. Just crank it like a normal car. The S2000 really made this popular IMO on mass production cars. I remember people buying the ignitions to install on other types of cars.
 

JulesMaximus

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My Jeep came with 2 fobs.

Also, each fob can be linked to the driver memory settings. So the vehicle sets everything the way each driver likes it. The seats, mirrors, radio, etc.

So when I get in using my fob, everything is the way I like it set, including all the radio presets. :biggrin:

She lost one of the fobs. I keep telling her to get another one but she doesn't listen. When she loses the other one guess who she's going to call though...:rolleyes:
 

ShawnD1

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She lost one of the fobs. I keep telling her to get another one but she doesn't listen. When she loses the other one guess who she's going to call though...:rolleyes:
Stance of dominance? Take a long ass time to get there when she calls :colbert:

I'm not too fond of the push button start because I like the feel of turning a key, but the button start is a lot more practical. You can't lock your keys in the car if they stayed in your pocket the whole time. I also liked how I could leave the car running and walk away. The car turns off if someone puts it in gear.
 

Bacstar

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I gotta be careful with how mine is setup. If I leave the car, FOB in pocket, for a quick trip like using the ATM and keep the engine running, a potential thief can jump in the car and drive off. Once he shuts off the engine though, he'll be stuck.
 

KentState

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I gotta be careful with how mine is setup. If I leave the car, FOB in pocket, for a quick trip like using the ATM and keep the engine running, a potential thief can jump in the car and drive off. Once he shuts off the engine though, he'll be stuck.

I think a lot of them work that way. I know of stories from message boards were people drive to work without their FOB and are SOL.
 

Bacstar

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This is my first car with push to start. Wonder why they designed it that way?

The car came with remote start and when I start it and the FOB is not in the car, it will lock/relock the doors before starting. If someone gets in the car and throws it into gear without the FOB, the car shuts off...
 

ShawnD1

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I think a lot of them work that way. I know of stories from message boards were people drive to work without their FOB and are SOL.
Well then their cars were total crap. My Corolla turns off if shifted out of park unless the "key" is inside the car.

Which cars in particular allow someone to drive it without the key?
 

Pantoot

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Well then their cars were total crap. My Corolla turns off if shifted out of park unless the "key" is inside the car.

Which cars in particular allow someone to drive it without the key?

My M5 will. If I get out of the car with the key in my pocket a valet can park the car but will not be able to start it again once he turns it off.
 

CZroe

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Question: How is the valet expected to retrieve your car to have it waiting for your convenience? How can they move it if there's a problem, like a neighboring car catching fire or a pipe burst from a higher floor of the parking structure? These and similar situations happened surprisingly frequently at the high-rise condos I once worked for.
 
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CZroe

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Found it: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=434513

MSN Autos columnist Lawrence Ulrich sounds off about how keyless entry systems are gizmos gone bad.

Keyless Isn't Painless

Key-fob foibles multiply as keys disappear.

By Lawrence Ulrich of MSN Autos

Today, I'm talking about gizmos gone bad. That gadget in your car that sounds so ingenious, until you live with it. Then you realize it's not technology, but drecknology.

The latest offender? Keyless entry systems. If the carmakers haven't yet converted you, the systems detect a remote fob in your pocket. You just walk up, open the doors and start the engine via a dashboard button. I will admit that the systems save precisely 2.7 seconds of daily fumbling for keys, and may spare some carpal-tunnel survivor from having to turn a key.

Of course, automakers love keyless cars, and they want you to love them. That's because the real profits today are on options, these hugely marked-up gadgets. And while keyless systems were once limited to luxury cars, they're rapidly trickling down to the Nissans and Chevys of the world.

Like a Korean monster movie, keyless technology is a story of unintended consequences. It's what happens when engineers get a great idea, but don't consider how people use their cars in the real world.

Remarkably, these devices have yet to spark a public flogging like BMW's iDrive mouse control, which after six years is still daring owners to switch between AM and FM without proper medication. But even iDrive won't steal money from your pocket, make you vulnerable to thieves, or leave you stranded. Keyless entry can do all those things, some of which I've experienced.

Message board: Are keyless systems a convenienceor a consumer's headache? Voice your opinion!

Dude, Where's My Car? Especially in major cities—or anywhere people use valet and attended parking—keyless systems have created an unforeseen headache. Drivers hand over the running car, take the valet ticket and walk away, with the remote key still in their pocket. The second the valet shuts off the engine, the car becomes an immovable obstacle. That can force workers to put cars up on rolling jacks to move them by hand.

In New York and L.A., fed-up garages are charging walkaway owners an extra $50 or even $100 when they return, sheepishly holding the keys. It's happened to me more than once. And if you think valets are surly now, wait 'til you show up after they've been pushing your dead car around the lot.

Many owners leave their keyless fob in the car while they're driving, usually in a cupholder (side beef: with no handy place to put the fob, it wastes a perfectly good cup space). As you'd expect, some drivers accidentally leave the fob inside the car, where anyone could use them to steal their ride. The cars flash a message to not forget the key, but they also chirp when the door's ajar, so it's pretty easy to ignore.

It gets worse. With today's cars running so quietly, some owners pull up, get distracted and forget to push the engine-off button. They walk away from their still-running car. Owners have reported returning and finding their car had idled until it ran out of gas.

Sure, you could space out and leave a traditional car running. But it's unlikely, because you have to shut off the engine by removing the key and then locking the car. With keyless systems, you don't. The critical physical link between the key, the locks and the running car has been broken.

A "Remote" Problem At Kansas City's airport in April, I dropped a sleek Mercedes-Benz S-Class at the curb. A driver working for the manufacturer was there to pick it up. I never handed him the key. Why would I? The car was idling right in front of us, we shook hands, and the guy took off.

My cell phone rang 10 minutes later. The Mercedes had flashed a message that it could no longer detect the key, warned that it would shut itself down, and promptly cut its engine while the frantic driver steered onto the shoulder. He was stranded, with no way to restart the car.

With my flight boarding, I had just enough time to call a cab, give him the keys and tell him the Benz's location. Fortunately, the kind cabbie tracked down the Mercedes and delivered the precious key.

As you can imagine, that driver could easily have been the spouse or friend who accompanies you to the airport in the passenger seat, then takes over at the wheel. And that exact situation is happening at airports, train stations and workplaces. I've heard reports of people actually making it onto planes with keyless remotes, leaving family members stranded, unable to restart the car.

My advice? Resist at all costs, at least until version 3.0 arrives. For now, I'll keep my current, primitive keys, despite the inconvenience of having to reach into my pocket. With keyless entry, I've had about as much convenience as I can stand.

A Michigan native raised and forged in Detroit and a former auto critic at the Detroit Free Press, Lawrence Ulrich now lives in Brooklyn, New York. His reviews and features appear regularly in The New York Times, Robb Report, Popular Science and Travel + Leisure Golf.
 
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Pantoot

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Question: How is the valet expected to retrieve your car to have it waiting for your convenience? How can they move it if there's a problem, like a neighboring car catching fire or a pipe burst from a higher floor of the parking structure?

I like the feature, but my example was a flaw in my mind, not a positive.
The car will alert you that you took the key with you to try and prevent this scenario where someone drives off without the key in their possession, but valets can miss that.

An even worse case is for rental cars with this feature. I have dropped off a car at the airport with the fob still in my pocket and made it to the security line before the guy from avis was able to track me down to recover the fob.

I am sure people have done it with keys too, but I am so used to just leaving the keys in the ignition on a rental car, I didn't even think of taking the fob out of my pocket.
 

KentState

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Well then their cars were total crap. My Corolla turns off if shifted out of park unless the "key" is inside the car.

Which cars in particular allow someone to drive it without the key?

I'm only aware of this situation is manual cars, though I think BMW allows this also. Your car is total crap so I won't hold that as the benchmark for how this works anyways.
 

KentState

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Question: How is the valet expected to retrieve your car to have it waiting for your convenience? How can they move it if there's a problem, like a neighboring car catching fire or a pipe burst from a higher floor of the parking structure? These and similar situations happened surprisingly frequently at the high-rise condos I once worked for.

Valets should make sure they have the keys to the car before driving off. They deal with this stuff all day and should have a sense for it. Those of us dropping our cars off rarely give our keys away so it's not in the front of our mind.
 

CZroe

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Valets should make sure they have the keys to the car before driving off. They deal with this stuff all day and should have a sense for it. Those of us dropping our cars off rarely give our keys away so it's not in the front of our mind.

So they have to put up with exponentially more "in the ignition, duh!" responses in front of a RUNNING car? Not only is it the driver's responsibility, but most services will FINE the driver for not leaving the keys.