Can't do over 85hz on my CRT with Windows 7, Help!

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OCNewbie

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Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Nvidia Geforce Gtx 260
Dell M992 19" CRT
Nvidia 191.07 drivers

Just "upgraded" this morning from Win XP SP3 32-bit to Win 7 Pro 64-bit. I run my desktop, games, pretty much everything, at 1024x768 32-bit @ 100hz. At least I did in Win XP. Now running Win 7, at 1024x768/32-bit, I can only choose 75 or 85hz. My eyes are very sensitive to flicker, and even at 85hz, I notice eyestrain pretty much instantly. I want/need 100hz with Win 7.

I've done a number of google searches, but nothing I have found seem to really help. Does anybody have any ideas on what I can do, or try to MAKE this work? HELP!!!
 
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ilkhan

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...1024x768? CRT?
I think I remember those terms, but they are pretty far in the hazy past. Actually, XP is getting there too. Um...try a modern LCD?
 
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OCNewbie

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I just reverted back to XP, don't want to deal with the headache. It was doable with Vista (100hz), according to what I read on Google, so it should eventually be doable with Win 7. When that happens I'll upgrade. It's too much of an always there problem for me to try to learn to live with it.
 
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faxon

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maybe you should just get a cheap LCD and upgrade your resolution while your at it lol. im about as sensitive as they come when it comes to high frequency irritation but i still learned to live with this huge UV fluorescent light in my case emitting a pretty good whine because it looks cool and simple headphones block it. as for your issue with refresh rates, i used to get headaches when i gamed for extended periods of time in front of my CRT, but with a nice big LCD i dont get that issue at all anymore, and i can game for several days at a time (no joke lol) without any issue except sleep deprivation!
 
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OCNewbie

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I'm really sensitive to ghosting too, so that's not yet an option either. Maybe when OLED's come out. I haven't tried some of the top LCD's though, like that 22" LG or whatever. I'm really not unhappy with CRT, though it's what I'm used to, so that probably has something to do with it too.
 
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faxon

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lmao dude even a cheap LCD doesnt ghost anymore. they got rid of that problem several years ago. even my buddies $120 22 inch 1680x1050 doesnt have any issues with ghosting, its just not an issue. i waited right up until my CRTs all died to replace with an LCD because of the ghosting issues, but when i swapped over i never noticed them one bit lol
 
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faxon said:
lmao dude even a cheap LCD doesnt ghost anymore. they got rid of that problem several years ago. even my buddies $120 22 inch 1680x1050 doesnt have any issues with ghosting, its just not an issue. i waited right up until my CRTs all died to replace with an LCD because of the ghosting issues, but when i swapped over i never noticed them one bit lol
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The last LCD I had was a Hanns-G 19" rated at 5ms response time. There were many many reviews on newegg, all saying "this monitor is great for gaming, no ghosting!". I got it, and noticed ghosting and/or input lag immediately. I returned it. This was like 3 years ago. Ghosting, as well as refresh rate sensitivities vary from individual to individual. Like I said, I haven't tried the top-of-the-line gaming LCD's, so I can't say for certain that ALL LCD's have ghosting, but I'm skeptical.

Maybe I'll take the plunge before too long and pick up one of the higher end, current gen gaming LCD's so I can see how they have or haven't improved.
 
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Arglebargle

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I would have tried different sets of drivers before heading back to XP. Given that most of the Vista drivers will do the job in Win7, that might've had some effect.

Can't give much more than that, as my CRT setup is still on XP as well, though I am liking Win7 on my gaming machine alot.
 
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OCNewbie said:
The last LCD I had was a Hanns-G 19" rated at 5ms response time. There were many many reviews on newegg, all saying "this monitor is great for gaming, no ghosting!". I got it, and noticed ghosting and/or input lag immediately. I returned it. This was like 3 years ago. Ghosting, as well as refresh rate sensitivities vary from individual to individual. Like I said, I haven't tried the top-of-the-line gaming LCD's, so I can't say for certain that ALL LCD's have ghosting, but I'm skeptical.

Maybe I'll take the plunge before too long and pick up one of the higher end, current gen gaming LCD's so I can see how they have or haven't improved.
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Yea the panel I game on is a 27.5" Hanns-G panel lol. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-026-_-Product it's this monitor. Gonna get another this week I think lmao. I also have one of the 22" LG panels and I honestly prefer the Hanns-G better cause it's so easy to look at
 
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CP5670

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You can force refresh rates by loading a custom monitor inf file into Windows, with the low refresh modes removed. I use this method in 32-bit XP. It's a little harder to do on 64-bit Vista and 7, as the inf file is considered a driver and the 64-bit versions don't allow unsigned drivers by default. The best way to get around that seems to be to give the driver a test certificate and put the OS into the "test mode." I don't have much experience with this yet, but you can find a lot of information on it from Google searches.

i waited right up until my CRTs all died to replace with an LCD because of the ghosting issues, but when i swapped over i never noticed them one bit lol
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There is a difference between what you can see and what others can see.

Although I would advise the OP to get a new display anyway, just because that resolution is tiny.
 
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Ben90

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Drivers->manage custom resolutions-> allow modes not supported my monitor -> make ur own resolution @ whatever Hz u want

Something along the lines of that
 
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OCNewbie

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Most of you are missing the point. I can get 100hz @ 1024x768 on Win XP no prob. I read online that this is doable on Vista as well. I am/was trying to get it done on Win 7 without any luck. I tried making a custom resolution via the nvidia control panel, like someone above mentioned, but it doesn't take.

I am looking for a fix/workaround, not a totally different setup. Thanks.
 
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Kakkoii

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Why do you care about 100hz anyway? 85hz is more than enough on a CRT. Switch to a higher resolution instead. At least 1152x864. 1024x768 is horrible these days.
 
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OCNewbie said:
*BUMP* In case anybody hasn't seen this that can offer some help.
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that is a problem on forums.

For every one good answer (on average) you get about 8 crap answers like "Upgrade your monitor to one with a higher resolution (CRTs can adjust res.)", "85Hz is enough for you, why complain?" and "LCDs don't ghost anymore".
 
happy medium

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I have a Dell 991 and it has the same problem.
It must be a windows 7 driver error.

Edit:
I solved your problem. Just go to the nvidia control panel and make a custom resolution and refresh rate, save it, then use the resolution where you change your normal resolutions.

I'm running 1024x768 @100 right now.

Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit
8800gt, newest 195.xx drivers
19 inch Dell m991
 
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Urisk

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I know this thread is old, but first allow me a short explanation in three points why I dig up this thread:
1.) This thread is one of the first hits on google for this problem.
2.) It doesn't yet contain a full explanation for solving the problem. (Though the last post is close, it omits a detail easily overlooked.)
3.) Amongst the first few pages in google I didn't find a solution when I searched. (They were basically all missing the same detail.)
(In addition: Yes, for one having worked on CRTs operating at 100 Hz for years being forced to 85 Hz is a nightmare. If you don't care about it / don't think it's a problem for you please refrain from posting non-helpful replies to posts from those who do care.)

So, to get to the point (starting out like happy medium posted, highlighting the important details not mentioned before):

- nvidia control panel
- "change resolution" panel
- create custom resolution
- select desired refresh rate
- under timing: change standard from "automatic" to "manual"
- at the refresh rate entry at the bottom: set to 0.001 above the desired refresh rate
- test, accept, proceed as you would have likely expected it to work from the beginning

I found this on a different discussion board. I just retyped it in some short points to make sure this post doesn't become worthless again if the link doesn't work anymore at some point in the future.

So: If I could help anyone by posting this I'm content with that. ;)

Regards
Urisk
 
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betasub

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And welcome to ATF.

Perhaps you can necro a few more threads with unresolved issues. We really ought to tidy up the graveyard :)
 
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