Can't believe the Chrysler crossfire is that cheap

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: bolido2000
I went to Carmax yesturday to get my car appraised (very good service btw) and I saw a 2004 Crossfire manual with only 2K miles in the odometer for 23-24K!! The car had a sold sign already. Don't they have like an MSRP of 35K?? Anyways....the car is tiny as hell. Very uncomfortable. I'm 6'2'' 200lbs

23K for a used car is not cheap. The car companies have done a phenominal job of convincing us that it is, but it isn't.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

I Own two dodges and they both have 90K+

Both run fine and I have never had any major issues.

In this day and age that isn't many miles. If a car with 90k HAS had major issues I'd be upset! Neither of my maximas have, for instance

When did you get another Maxima...I thought you had a Max and a Sentra? What year is it?

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

I hate little morons like you.

MB has always been junk? Have you ever driven or rode shotgun in an s500? have you ever sat in an sl55 speeding down the highway? They charge 1200 bucks because they can, they're a rich persons way of saying 'I do it because I can', while you and your buddy are riding in his civic with 120hp.

I drive an RSX and I love it, however, in terms of stature, Civics suck.

Anyways, the crossfire has an 8 months long inventory pile up and thats why they're trying to get rid of them.

Agreed. Many people knock my car, but after they drive it they are very impressed. This car sticks to the road, handles superbly and drives like a German car -- all for American car prices.

Maybe you should have read my posts better. I never argued that MB's and really ANY german car handles well. VERY WELL. Thats what they do, nobody will dispute that. And no, I have never driven a MB, but I have driven Audi's, VW's and BMW's. I've driven the brand new M3 which handles better then any MB other then maybe some of the AMG models. NOBODY is disputing that.

However, I do think they are lacking a bit in the mechanical dept. And from a mechanical viewpoint from someone who works on cars regularly, I can assure you they can't stack up to the compitition. This issue is compounded by the fact that they are so extremely difficult to work on, and even more so by the issue of doing it youself. This is more of a personal aspect, and why I would never own an MB. Especially when I can get all the handling, and better reliability in a BMW.

I don't really care if you agree with me, or if you think I'm full of sh~t. But your not going to call me out on the whole handling thing, when I said specifically that they are great handling cars, and with the exception of some (like the crossfire) are decently powered too.

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Don't worry...you'll spend another $10k at least on it right after your warranty runs out. Chrysler has been cutting corners like crazy lately. I'm surprised more of their cars don't spontaniously combust on the freeway or have their tires fall off or something.

I blame it on 95% rushed engineering and lack of testing.....5% poor materials. They could do so much better.

I assume you have evidence to backup that claim, or is it just another "well, my friend's car..." kinda thing?

No, they never have any evidence.

I own a Crossfire, so I can say first hand his claim is inaccurate.

hAhahAHa, what a joke.

You've owned it for how long? Or were you expecting the problems to come up in the first 2 months? Its only been on the market maybe 6-7, so.....

Regardless, he does have a point. MB has always been junk though, they never made the greatest cars in the world, and now neither does Crystler. Not like they did either though. American's just don't care, they buy a car and drive it for 2-3 years, and sell it. So it doesn't matter that it won't last for the next person who buys it, and that it costs WAYYY more to fix then most Japanese cars. Audi, BMW, MB, this is true for all of the above. My friend needed a new upper control arm for his Audi, $1200 installed. For my friends Civic? $100, and we installed it ourselves in less then 2 hours. Hmmm.

I hate little morons like you.

MB has always been junk? Have you ever driven or rode shotgun in an s500? have you ever sat in an sl55 speeding down the highway? They charge 1200 bucks because they can, they're a rich persons way of saying 'I do it because I can', while you and your buddy are riding in his civic with 120hp.

I drive an RSX and I love it, however, in terms of stature, Civics suck.

Anyways, the crossfire has an 8 months long inventory pile up and thats why they're trying to get rid of them.

So how much power does your RSX have? Are you aware that the new Civics and the RSX are built on pretty much the exact same platform? Probably not, because like a lot of people around here, you probably think that the Acura badge makes your car so much better then a Honda. The RSX is just the new name for the Integra, which has always shared platforms with the Civic. Now what do you think of your RSX? HahahHAHa people just crack me up.

BTW, my Civic has 160 HP. And one of the best engines Honda has ever made. Specific output of 160 HP from a 1.6L motor that revs to 8000 RPM is nothing to just dismiss. This is in stock form. I'm willing to run my Honda to your Acura any day of the week, and I'll spank you. In its current form it has 175+ to the ground, and revs to 9500 RPM. If I launch my car right I can spank any RSX I've ever faced, and even most Type R Integra's. Unless you have done work to yours that is.

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: virtueixi

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Don't worry...you'll spend another $10k at least on it right after your warranty runs out. Chrysler has been cutting corners like crazy lately. I'm surprised more of their cars don't spontaniously combust on the freeway or have their tires fall off or something.

I blame it on 95% rushed engineering and lack of testing.....5% poor materials. They could do so much better.

I assume you have evidence to backup that claim, or is it just another "well, my friend's car..." kinda thing?

No, they never have any evidence.

I own a Crossfire, so I can say first hand his claim is inaccurate.

hAhahAHa, what a joke.

You've owned it for how long? Or were you expecting the problems to come up in the first 2 months? Its only been on the market maybe 6-7, so.....

Regardless, he does have a point. MB has always been junk though, they never made the greatest cars in the world, and now neither does Crystler. Not like they did either though. American's just don't care, they buy a car and drive it for 2-3 years, and sell it. So it doesn't matter that it won't last for the next person who buys it, and that it costs WAYYY more to fix then most Japanese cars. Audi, BMW, MB, this is true for all of the above. My friend needed a new upper control arm for his Audi, $1200 installed. For my friends Civic? $100, and we installed it ourselves in less then 2 hours. Hmmm.

Hey moron, it costs way less to fix American cars than Japanese cars so stfu.

Yea, I'm the moron who thinks the Crystler Crossfire is domestic?? Hahaha. Whatever, this board and its members have proved to me over and over that most of you know very little about cars.

Just so you know, everything on the Crossfire is german engineered. Or you could just say, is German. And are Benz's parts, not Crystler.

I don't really know much about cars, but I just had to point out it's spelled Chrysler and not Crystler.

Thank you! For somebody who is supposed to know so much about cars, you'd think they'd be able to at least spell the make properly. :roll:

Ya, I will admit that I suck at spelling, but I don't really care. Chrysler has never produced a vehicle that I could even give a damn about, much less even consider the purchase of. So I don't pay too much attention to them or what they are doing. I honestly wasn't too sure how to spell it.

But you guys around here definetely spend too much energy on spelling or grammer, and makes it seem like you have no real argument against what I'm saying. So it looks to me, and others, like your just using that as an excuse because you have nothing better to argue.

 

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: SampSon
It's cheap because it's a piece of sh!t dodge.

Every single dodge I owned was a piece of crap. Every dodge my parents owned is a piece of crap. Every dodge everybody I've ever known is a piece of crap.
What would make me believe this car is any different?

I Own two dodges and they both have 90K+

Both run fine and I have never had any major issues.

90K is piddlyshit.
My last mitsubishi ran 275K before I got rid of it. It still ran perfectly.

My new 2004 subaru will have 90K miles in under 3 years with the amount of miles I put on for work. The 100K mark really means nothing with todays cars. My fathers current toyota rav4 has approx 150K miles on it, nothing has been touched on it except a set of brakes.

I'm sure the crossfire has many merits, though dodge has left a very bad impression with me and many that I know. Oh well.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

I hate little morons like you.

MB has always been junk? Have you ever driven or rode shotgun in an s500? have you ever sat in an sl55 speeding down the highway? They charge 1200 bucks because they can, they're a rich persons way of saying 'I do it because I can', while you and your buddy are riding in his civic with 120hp.

I drive an RSX and I love it, however, in terms of stature, Civics suck.

Anyways, the crossfire has an 8 months long inventory pile up and thats why they're trying to get rid of them.

Agreed. Many people knock my car, but after they drive it they are very impressed. This car sticks to the road, handles superbly and drives like a German car -- all for American car prices.

Maybe you should have read my posts better. I never argued that MB's and really ANY german car handles well. VERY WELL. Thats what they do, nobody will dispute that. And no, I have never driven a MB, but I have driven Audi's, VW's and BMW's. I've driven the brand new M3 which handles better then any MB other then maybe some of the AMG models. NOBODY is disputing that.

However, I do think they are lacking a bit in the mechanical dept. And from a mechanical viewpoint from someone who works on cars regularly, I can assure you they can't stack up to the compitition. This issue is compounded by the fact that they are so extremely difficult to work on, and even more so by the issue of doing it youself. This is more of a personal aspect, and why I would never own an MB. Especially when I can get all the handling, and better reliability in a BMW.

I don't really care if you agree with me, or if you think I'm full of sh~t. But your not going to call me out on the whole handling thing, when I said specifically that they are great handling cars, and with the exception of some (like the crossfire) are decently powered too.

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Don't worry...you'll spend another $10k at least on it right after your warranty runs out. Chrysler has been cutting corners like crazy lately. I'm surprised more of their cars don't spontaniously combust on the freeway or have their tires fall off or something.

I blame it on 95% rushed engineering and lack of testing.....5% poor materials. They could do so much better.

I assume you have evidence to backup that claim, or is it just another "well, my friend's car..." kinda thing?

No, they never have any evidence.

I own a Crossfire, so I can say first hand his claim is inaccurate.

hAhahAHa, what a joke.

You've owned it for how long? Or were you expecting the problems to come up in the first 2 months? Its only been on the market maybe 6-7, so.....

Regardless, he does have a point. MB has always been junk though, they never made the greatest cars in the world, and now neither does Crystler. Not like they did either though. American's just don't care, they buy a car and drive it for 2-3 years, and sell it. So it doesn't matter that it won't last for the next person who buys it, and that it costs WAYYY more to fix then most Japanese cars. Audi, BMW, MB, this is true for all of the above. My friend needed a new upper control arm for his Audi, $1200 installed. For my friends Civic? $100, and we installed it ourselves in less then 2 hours. Hmmm.

I hate little morons like you.

MB has always been junk? Have you ever driven or rode shotgun in an s500? have you ever sat in an sl55 speeding down the highway? They charge 1200 bucks because they can, they're a rich persons way of saying 'I do it because I can', while you and your buddy are riding in his civic with 120hp.

I drive an RSX and I love it, however, in terms of stature, Civics suck.

Anyways, the crossfire has an 8 months long inventory pile up and thats why they're trying to get rid of them.

So how much power does your RSX have? Are you aware that the new Civics and the RSX are built on pretty much the exact same platform? Probably not, because like a lot of people around here, you probably think that the Acura badge makes your car so much better then a Honda. The RSX is just the new name for the Integra, which has always shared platforms with the Civic. Now what do you think of your RSX? HahahHAHa people just crack me up.

BTW, my Civic has 160 HP. And one of the best engines Honda has ever made. Specific output of 160 HP from a 1.6L motor that revs to 8000 RPM is nothing to just dismiss. This is in stock form. I'm willing to run my Honda to your Acura any day of the week, and I'll spank you. In its current form it has 175+ to the ground, and revs to 9500 RPM. If I launch my car right I can spank any RSX I've ever faced, and even most Type R Integra's. Unless you have done work to yours that is.

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: virtueixi

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Don't worry...you'll spend another $10k at least on it right after your warranty runs out. Chrysler has been cutting corners like crazy lately. I'm surprised more of their cars don't spontaniously combust on the freeway or have their tires fall off or something.

I blame it on 95% rushed engineering and lack of testing.....5% poor materials. They could do so much better.

I assume you have evidence to backup that claim, or is it just another "well, my friend's car..." kinda thing?

No, they never have any evidence.

I own a Crossfire, so I can say first hand his claim is inaccurate.

hAhahAHa, what a joke.

You've owned it for how long? Or were you expecting the problems to come up in the first 2 months? Its only been on the market maybe 6-7, so.....

Regardless, he does have a point. MB has always been junk though, they never made the greatest cars in the world, and now neither does Crystler. Not like they did either though. American's just don't care, they buy a car and drive it for 2-3 years, and sell it. So it doesn't matter that it won't last for the next person who buys it, and that it costs WAYYY more to fix then most Japanese cars. Audi, BMW, MB, this is true for all of the above. My friend needed a new upper control arm for his Audi, $1200 installed. For my friends Civic? $100, and we installed it ourselves in less then 2 hours. Hmmm.

Hey moron, it costs way less to fix American cars than Japanese cars so stfu.

Yea, I'm the moron who thinks the Crystler Crossfire is domestic?? Hahaha. Whatever, this board and its members have proved to me over and over that most of you know very little about cars.

Just so you know, everything on the Crossfire is german engineered. Or you could just say, is German. And are Benz's parts, not Crystler.

I don't really know much about cars, but I just had to point out it's spelled Chrysler and not Crystler.

Thank you! For somebody who is supposed to know so much about cars, you'd think they'd be able to at least spell the make properly. :roll:

Ya, I will admit that I suck at spelling, but I don't really care. Chrysler has never produced a vehicle that I could even give a damn about, much less even consider the purchase of. So I don't pay too much attention to them or what they are doing. I honestly wasn't too sure how to spell it.

But you guys around here definetely spend too much energy on spelling or grammer, and makes it seem like you have no real argument against what I'm saying. So it looks to me, and others, like your just using that as an excuse because you have nothing better to argue.

You drive a Civic, I really don't think you should be bad-mouthing any vehicle, other than it having too much personality for you.

And 175hp to the wheels! Woooooooooahhh! :roll: Lets see, it probably hits 175hp at about 7000 RPM right? That makes your torque 131 lb-ft. Scary.

 

[UNCjigga]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

I Own two dodges and they both have 90K+

Both run fine and I have never had any major issues.

In this day and age that isn't many miles. If a car with 90k HAS had major issues I'd be upset! Neither of my maximas have, for instance

LOL, so true!!! I'm now driving my sister's Subaru GT and it runs fine with 113,000 miles. This is the same sister who didn't change the oil for a YEAR because she didn't realize she had to!

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

I Own two dodges and they both have 90K+

Both run fine and I have never had any major issues.

In this day and age that isn't many miles. If a car with 90k HAS had major issues I'd be upset! Neither of my maximas have, for instance

my 2k1 Neon has 113,000k on it too and it runs perfectly..
nothing wrong with Chryco reliability.
at this point in time my dads 2k maxima has cost a mint compared to mine (to keep running) it's needed a mass airflow sensor, 6 ignition packs (1 for each cylinder since the asshats couldn't figure out which one was the problem) and an o2 sensor. i literally have not spent a dime on my car other than brakes, oil, etc.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

I hate little morons like you.

MB has always been junk? Have you ever driven or rode shotgun in an s500? have you ever sat in an sl55 speeding down the highway? They charge 1200 bucks because they can, they're a rich persons way of saying 'I do it because I can', while you and your buddy are riding in his civic with 120hp.

I drive an RSX and I love it, however, in terms of stature, Civics suck.

Anyways, the crossfire has an 8 months long inventory pile up and thats why they're trying to get rid of them.

Agreed. Many people knock my car, but after they drive it they are very impressed. This car sticks to the road, handles superbly and drives like a German car -- all for American car prices.

Maybe you should have read my posts better. I never argued that MB's and really ANY german car handles well. VERY WELL. Thats what they do, nobody will dispute that. And no, I have never driven a MB, but I have driven Audi's, VW's and BMW's. I've driven the brand new M3 which handles better then any MB other then maybe some of the AMG models. NOBODY is disputing that.

However, I do think they are lacking a bit in the mechanical dept. And from a mechanical viewpoint from someone who works on cars regularly, I can assure you they can't stack up to the compitition. This issue is compounded by the fact that they are so extremely difficult to work on, and even more so by the issue of doing it youself. This is more of a personal aspect, and why I would never own an MB. Especially when I can get all the handling, and better reliability in a BMW.

I don't really care if you agree with me, or if you think I'm full of sh~t. But your not going to call me out on the whole handling thing, when I said specifically that they are great handling cars, and with the exception of some (like the crossfire) are decently powered too.

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Don't worry...you'll spend another $10k at least on it right after your warranty runs out. Chrysler has been cutting corners like crazy lately. I'm surprised more of their cars don't spontaniously combust on the freeway or have their tires fall off or something.

I blame it on 95% rushed engineering and lack of testing.....5% poor materials. They could do so much better.

I assume you have evidence to backup that claim, or is it just another "well, my friend's car..." kinda thing?

No, they never have any evidence.

I own a Crossfire, so I can say first hand his claim is inaccurate.

hAhahAHa, what a joke.

You've owned it for how long? Or were you expecting the problems to come up in the first 2 months? Its only been on the market maybe 6-7, so.....

Regardless, he does have a point. MB has always been junk though, they never made the greatest cars in the world, and now neither does Crystler. Not like they did either though. American's just don't care, they buy a car and drive it for 2-3 years, and sell it. So it doesn't matter that it won't last for the next person who buys it, and that it costs WAYYY more to fix then most Japanese cars. Audi, BMW, MB, this is true for all of the above. My friend needed a new upper control arm for his Audi, $1200 installed. For my friends Civic? $100, and we installed it ourselves in less then 2 hours. Hmmm.

I hate little morons like you.

MB has always been junk? Have you ever driven or rode shotgun in an s500? have you ever sat in an sl55 speeding down the highway? They charge 1200 bucks because they can, they're a rich persons way of saying 'I do it because I can', while you and your buddy are riding in his civic with 120hp.

I drive an RSX and I love it, however, in terms of stature, Civics suck.

Anyways, the crossfire has an 8 months long inventory pile up and thats why they're trying to get rid of them.

So how much power does your RSX have? Are you aware that the new Civics and the RSX are built on pretty much the exact same platform? Probably not, because like a lot of people around here, you probably think that the Acura badge makes your car so much better then a Honda. The RSX is just the new name for the Integra, which has always shared platforms with the Civic. Now what do you think of your RSX? HahahHAHa people just crack me up.

BTW, my Civic has 160 HP. And one of the best engines Honda has ever made. Specific output of 160 HP from a 1.6L motor that revs to 8000 RPM is nothing to just dismiss. This is in stock form. I'm willing to run my Honda to your Acura any day of the week, and I'll spank you. In its current form it has 175+ to the ground, and revs to 9500 RPM. If I launch my car right I can spank any RSX I've ever faced, and even most Type R Integra's. Unless you have done work to yours that is.

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: virtueixi

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Rogue

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Don't worry...you'll spend another $10k at least on it right after your warranty runs out. Chrysler has been cutting corners like crazy lately. I'm surprised more of their cars don't spontaniously combust on the freeway or have their tires fall off or something.

I blame it on 95% rushed engineering and lack of testing.....5% poor materials. They could do so much better.

I assume you have evidence to backup that claim, or is it just another "well, my friend's car..." kinda thing?

No, they never have any evidence.

I own a Crossfire, so I can say first hand his claim is inaccurate.

hAhahAHa, what a joke.

You've owned it for how long? Or were you expecting the problems to come up in the first 2 months? Its only been on the market maybe 6-7, so.....

Regardless, he does have a point. MB has always been junk though, they never made the greatest cars in the world, and now neither does Crystler. Not like they did either though. American's just don't care, they buy a car and drive it for 2-3 years, and sell it. So it doesn't matter that it won't last for the next person who buys it, and that it costs WAYYY more to fix then most Japanese cars. Audi, BMW, MB, this is true for all of the above. My friend needed a new upper control arm for his Audi, $1200 installed. For my friends Civic? $100, and we installed it ourselves in less then 2 hours. Hmmm.

Hey moron, it costs way less to fix American cars than Japanese cars so stfu.

Yea, I'm the moron who thinks the Crystler Crossfire is domestic?? Hahaha. Whatever, this board and its members have proved to me over and over that most of you know very little about cars.

Just so you know, everything on the Crossfire is german engineered. Or you could just say, is German. And are Benz's parts, not Crystler.

I don't really know much about cars, but I just had to point out it's spelled Chrysler and not Crystler.

Thank you! For somebody who is supposed to know so much about cars, you'd think they'd be able to at least spell the make properly. :roll:

Ya, I will admit that I suck at spelling, but I don't really care. Chrysler has never produced a vehicle that I could even give a damn about, much less even consider the purchase of. So I don't pay too much attention to them or what they are doing. I honestly wasn't too sure how to spell it.

But you guys around here definetely spend too much energy on spelling or grammer, and makes it seem like you have no real argument against what I'm saying. So it looks to me, and others, like your just using that as an excuse because you have nothing better to argue.

You drive a Civic, I really don't think you should be bad-mouthing any vehicle, other than it having too much personality for you.

And 175hp to the wheels! Woooooooooahhh! :roll: Lets see, it probably hits 175hp at about 7000 RPM right? That makes your torque 131 lb-ft. Scary.

Its at about 9200 RPM. Besides, my Civic is just 1 of 3 cars I own. Its not the speed demon, that I can assure you. But I guarentee it will blow away one of these crossfire's with a measly 215 Hp, which would probably put about the same amount of power to the ground as my Honda (HP wise), when I can beat a Pontiac GTP with 240 Hp. And many other cars with much higher HP ratings.

Hell, my Blazer would spank one of these crossfires. And I'll badmouth whatever the hell vehicle I wish thanks.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
I love the Crossfire.

I'd buy one if I had the money.

Tried to get my buddy to buy one, but he went Accord. :|

Smart man. That was a good call on his part. :thumbsup:

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

You drive a Civic, I really don't think you should be bad-mouthing any vehicle, other than it having too much personality for you.

And 175hp to the wheels! Woooooooooahhh! :roll: Lets see, it probably hits 175hp at about 7000 RPM right? That makes your torque 131 lb-ft. Scary.

Its at about 9200 RPM. Besides, my Civic is just 1 of 3 cars I own. Its not the speed demon, that I can assure you. But I guarentee it will blow away one of these crossfire's with a measly 215 Hp, which would probably put about the same amount of power to the ground as my Honda (HP wise), when I can beat a Pontiac GTP with 240 Hp. And many other cars with much higher HP ratings.

Hell, my Blazer would spank one of these crossfires. And I'll badmouth whatever the hell vehicle I wish thanks.

The Crossfire runs a quarter mile in about 14.8 sec. Your Blazer is faster, huh?

 

[Scarpozzi]

Now that I abandoned the thread and was quoted and flamed, I'm going to defend my points.

My family bought an old Chrysler station wagon back in the 80s... There were many manufacturer defects and poor quality issues with it. We only had it 2 years before it was in an accident, but the power windows broke, the radio quit working, the engine needed work on it quite frequently.

Fast-forward to the last few years. I had a Jeep Cherokee with 32k miles on it. I ended up having 2 power window motors go bad within a week of each other and a 3rd and fourth (same windows) the following year. I spoke with a few of my friends that are car buffs and they explained to me that the reason MB bought Chrysler was strictly for their development shops. Chrysler has an amazing ability to take a concept, create a prototype and start production. The process takes most manufacturers about 5 years to do it...they are able to do it in less than 2 years. The point is that when they start manufacturing parts, they haven't thought out all of their designs and tested enough. This might explain why my jeep started having so many issues with the window motors...they had a poor design with nylon (think plastic) gears. They stripped and fell apart and I had to pay $130 each time...just for parts.

My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

The Crossfire may be on the higher-end and may have some craftsmanship involved, but I wouldn't ever buy another vehicle from them unless it was a Benz or a Jeep Grand Cherokee... Things always appear fine, but you don't really know until they go through a few seasons and about 40k miles... If things start to break, you'll know I'm right. My statements are opinion based on past experience. You can buy a Chrysler if you want and I won't like you or hate you any different...I just wouldn't do it unless I was prepared to purchase a fat warranty.

BTW - My "spending $10k after the warranty runs out" comment was more of a sarcastic joke than anything. I wanted to take a shot at Chrysler out of disgust...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Now that I abandoned the thread and was quoted and flamed, I'm going to defend my points.

My family bought an old Chrysler station wagon back in the 80s... There were many manufacturer defects and poor quality issues with it. We only had it 2 years before it was in an accident, but the power windows broke, the radio quit working, the engine needed work on it quite frequently.

Fast-forward to the last few years. I had a Jeep Cherokee with 32k miles on it. I ended up having 2 power window motors go bad within a week of each other and a 3rd and fourth (same windows) the following year. I spoke with a few of my friends that are car buffs and they explained to me that the reason MB bought Chrysler was strictly for their development shops. Chrysler has an amazing ability to take a concept, create a prototype and start production. The process takes most manufacturers about 5 years to do it...they are able to do it in less than 2 years. The point is that when they start manufacturing parts, they haven't thought out all of their designs and tested enough. This might explain why my jeep started having so many issues with the window motors...they had a poor design with nylon (think plastic) gears. They stripped and fell apart and I had to pay $130 each time...just for parts.

My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

The Crossfire may be on the higher-end and may have some craftsmanship involved, but I wouldn't ever buy another vehicle from them unless it was a Benz or a Jeep Grand Cherokee... Things always appear fine, but you don't really know until they go through a few seasons and about 40k miles... If things start to break, you'll know I'm right. My statements are opinion based on past experience. You can buy a Chrysler if you want and I won't like you or hate you any different...I just wouldn't do it unless I was prepared to purchase a fat warranty.

BTW - My "spending $10k after the warranty runs out" comment was more of a sarcastic joke than anything. I wanted to take a shot at Chrysler out of disgust...

Jeeps are horrible for reliability. Maybe not so bad now, still below average though, but 10 years ago they were utter crap on wheels.

I know many people who've bought Chrysler/Dodge vehicles and had nothing but problems with them. The mid size sedans and coupes are the worst. I would never buy a Chrysler...well, maybe a Viper, if I could afford one, but that would be it.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

You drive a Civic, I really don't think you should be bad-mouthing any vehicle, other than it having too much personality for you.

And 175hp to the wheels! Woooooooooahhh! :roll: Lets see, it probably hits 175hp at about 7000 RPM right? That makes your torque 131 lb-ft. Scary.

Its at about 9200 RPM. Besides, my Civic is just 1 of 3 cars I own. Its not the speed demon, that I can assure you. But I guarentee it will blow away one of these crossfire's with a measly 215 Hp, which would probably put about the same amount of power to the ground as my Honda (HP wise), when I can beat a Pontiac GTP with 240 Hp. And many other cars with much higher HP ratings.

Hell, my Blazer would spank one of these crossfires. And I'll badmouth whatever the hell vehicle I wish thanks.

The Crossfire runs a quarter mile in about 14.8 sec. Your Blazer is faster, huh?

I'd be willing to bet on it, yes. I've never ran the Blazer though, so I wouldn't know. BTW, the blazer initially had the 4.3L V-6 which I've since replaced with a 350 V-8. Haven't done all the work I'm going to on it yet though, it would probably be close.

I think my Honda would definetely beat that time though, since it does it in 15.7. But I'm not sure since the NHRA Elevation calculator I found HERE only goes to 5500. I live in Denver and run at Bandimere speedway which is 5800-ft above sea level. I've always been told it was a full second, but after looking at the chart, it might be a little less then a full second puting me right around that same 14.8 number. So assuming that 14.8 is sea level for the Crossfire, then it would be very close indeed. I'm willing to bet my Honda would do a slightly better time

BTW, HERE is a cool chart to look 1/4 times up on. It seems pretty accurate because I verified that 14.8 time on the crossfire some other places as well. Just thought it was a cool find.

edited - the links were wrong

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Now that I abandoned the thread and was quoted and flamed, I'm going to defend my points.

My family bought an old Chrysler station wagon back in the 80s... There were many manufacturer defects and poor quality issues with it. We only had it 2 years before it was in an accident, but the power windows broke, the radio quit working, the engine needed work on it quite frequently.

Fast-forward to the last few years. I had a Jeep Cherokee with 32k miles on it. I ended up having 2 power window motors go bad within a week of each other and a 3rd and fourth (same windows) the following year. I spoke with a few of my friends that are car buffs and they explained to me that the reason MB bought Chrysler was strictly for their development shops. Chrysler has an amazing ability to take a concept, create a prototype and start production. The process takes most manufacturers about 5 years to do it...they are able to do it in less than 2 years. The point is that when they start manufacturing parts, they haven't thought out all of their designs and tested enough. This might explain why my jeep started having so many issues with the window motors...they had a poor design with nylon (think plastic) gears. They stripped and fell apart and I had to pay $130 each time...just for parts.

My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

The Crossfire may be on the higher-end and may have some craftsmanship involved, but I wouldn't ever buy another vehicle from them unless it was a Benz or a Jeep Grand Cherokee... Things always appear fine, but you don't really know until they go through a few seasons and about 40k miles... If things start to break, you'll know I'm right. My statements are opinion based on past experience. You can buy a Chrysler if you want and I won't like you or hate you any different...I just wouldn't do it unless I was prepared to purchase a fat warranty.

BTW - My "spending $10k after the warranty runs out" comment was more of a sarcastic joke than anything. I wanted to take a shot at Chrysler out of disgust...

I have had 3 Jeeps and 2 Neons, I had one bad headgasket in the old Neon. That was the only problem the 5 have given me that weren't my own fault.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
However, I do think they are lacking a bit in the mechanical dept. And from a mechanical viewpoint from someone who works on cars regularly, I can assure you they can't stack up to the compitition. This issue is compounded by the fact that they are so extremely difficult to work on, and even more so by the issue of doing it youself. This is more of a personal aspect, and why I would never own an MB. Especially when I can get all the handling, and better reliability in a BMW.

So you don't like a car because it's hard to work on? Who really cares if it's hard to work on? You don't have any proof that the Crossfire is going to be a mechanical nightmare, other than perhaps you could cite the reliability of the former 320SLK -- which they don't share 100% of the parts from. Besides, nobody who buys a BMW, Mercedes, Audi or whatever, does it with the idea they are going to work on it themselves!

And you claim BMW's are more reliable, but my roommate just sold his 2002 325Ci because of all the problems he was having with it after two years and the problems the service department told him he could expect. BMW's aren't reliable.

Since you said you can assure me Crossfire's can't stack up to the competition, then prove it.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

You drive a Civic, I really don't think you should be bad-mouthing any vehicle, other than it having too much personality for you.

And 175hp to the wheels! Woooooooooahhh! :roll: Lets see, it probably hits 175hp at about 7000 RPM right? That makes your torque 131 lb-ft. Scary.

Its at about 9200 RPM. Besides, my Civic is just 1 of 3 cars I own. Its not the speed demon, that I can assure you. But I guarentee it will blow away one of these crossfire's with a measly 215 Hp, which would probably put about the same amount of power to the ground as my Honda (HP wise), when I can beat a Pontiac GTP with 240 Hp. And many other cars with much higher HP ratings.

Hell, my Blazer would spank one of these crossfires. And I'll badmouth whatever the hell vehicle I wish thanks.

The Crossfire runs a quarter mile in about 14.8 sec. Your Blazer is faster, huh?

I'd be willing to bet on it, yes. I've never ran the Blazer though, so I wouldn't know. BTW, the blazer initially had the 4.3L V-6 which I've since replaced with a 350 V-8. Haven't done all the work I'm going to on it yet though, it would probably be close.

I think my Honda would definetely beat that time though, since it does it in 15.7. But I'm not sure since the NHRA Elevation calculator I found HERE only goes to 5500. I live in Denver and run at Bandimere speedway which is 5800-ft above sea level. I've always been told it was a full second, but after looking at the chart, it might be a little less then a full second puting me right around that same 14.8 number. So assuming that 14.8 is sea level for the Crossfire, then it would be very close indeed. I'm willing to bet my Honda would do a slightly better time

BTW, HERE is a cool chart to look 1/4 times up on. It seems pretty accurate because I verified that 14.8 time on the crossfire some other places as well. Just thought it was a cool find.

edited - the links were wrong

I love how you brag your Blazer is faster than a Crossfire and then when you are called on it, you then say your Blazer is modified. I'm sure many modified cars are faster than a stock Crossfire, but that proves nothing other than you are desperate to knock the Crossfire at any cost, even if it makes you look like a complete idiot.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

Has it developed the standard oil leak yet? My 99 Neon got it at 45k miles. Just in time for the warrenty to run out. Despite the fact that its a pretty well known manufactors defect, I was summarily dismissed when I asked for compensation for the repairs. As expected.

My car also has developed a penchant for running like sh|t as of late (about 65k miles on it right now).

I don't care if the crossfire is made out solid gold, I've been burned and I will now vote with the only vote that I have that counts, my dollars. Hopefully I can squeeze a couple more years out of this junker before I buy a boring ass toyota. I just don't feel like worrying about horsesh|t anymore.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

Has it developed the standard oil leak yet? My 99 Neon got it at 45k miles. Just in time for the warrenty to run out. Despite the fact that its a pretty well known manufactors defect, I was summarily dismissed when I asked for compensation for the repairs. As expected.

My car also has developed a penchant for running like sh|t as of late (about 65k miles on it right now).

I don't care if the crossfire is made out solid gold, I've been burned and I will now vote with the only vote that I have that counts, my dollars. Hopefully I can squeeze a couple more years out of this junker before I buy a boring ass toyota. I just don't feel like worrying about horsesh|t anymore.

As far as I know, they are still offering to pay for those repairs. Did you get dismissed by a dealer? My cousin has his replaced free not too long ago.

EDIT: Wait, 1999 did not have the headgasket problem as the entire gasket assembly was fixed in 1998.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

Has it developed the standard oil leak yet? My 99 Neon got it at 45k miles. Just in time for the warrenty to run out. Despite the fact that its a pretty well known manufactors defect, I was summarily dismissed when I asked for compensation for the repairs. As expected.

My car also has developed a penchant for running like sh|t as of late (about 65k miles on it right now).

I don't care if the crossfire is made out solid gold, I've been burned and I will now vote with the only vote that I have that counts, my dollars. Hopefully I can squeeze a couple more years out of this junker before I buy a boring ass toyota. I just don't feel like worrying about horsesh|t anymore.

As far as I know, they are still offering to pay for those repairs. Did you get dismissed by a dealer? My cousin has his replaced free not too long ago.

EDIT: Wait, 1999 did not have the headgasket problem as the entire gasket assembly was fixed in 1998.

Thats what they told me. Which wasn't what two mechanics said, including one I trust. And it was definately leaking oil.

If they did fix it, they did a piss poor fvcking job.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

Has it developed the standard oil leak yet? My 99 Neon got it at 45k miles. Just in time for the warrenty to run out. Despite the fact that its a pretty well known manufactors defect, I was summarily dismissed when I asked for compensation for the repairs. As expected.

My car also has developed a penchant for running like sh|t as of late (about 65k miles on it right now).

I don't care if the crossfire is made out solid gold, I've been burned and I will now vote with the only vote that I have that counts, my dollars. Hopefully I can squeeze a couple more years out of this junker before I buy a boring ass toyota. I just don't feel like worrying about horsesh|t anymore.

As far as I know, they are still offering to pay for those repairs. Did you get dismissed by a dealer? My cousin has his replaced free not too long ago.

EDIT: Wait, 1999 did not have the headgasket problem as the entire gasket assembly was fixed in 1998.

Thats what they told me. Which wasn't what two mechanics said, including one I trust. And it was definately leaking oil.

If they did fix it, they did a piss poor fvcking job.

A HG won't necessarily leak oil. Do oyu know where it is leaking? Take off the radiator cap while the engine is cool and look down it. If you see any milkshake-colored stuff down there, it is the HG.

 

[MikeMike]

http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/speedcomp.htm

14.8/13.5 depending upon engine for the crossfire. not that great for a "sports" car.

2003 civic LX does it in 17.8

and your telling me a 20 hp boost equates to a 4 second drop in the quarter mile?????

MIKE

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

Has it developed the standard oil leak yet? My 99 Neon got it at 45k miles. Just in time for the warrenty to run out. Despite the fact that its a pretty well known manufactors defect, I was summarily dismissed when I asked for compensation for the repairs. As expected.

My car also has developed a penchant for running like sh|t as of late (about 65k miles on it right now).

I don't care if the crossfire is made out solid gold, I've been burned and I will now vote with the only vote that I have that counts, my dollars. Hopefully I can squeeze a couple more years out of this junker before I buy a boring ass toyota. I just don't feel like worrying about horsesh|t anymore.

As far as I know, they are still offering to pay for those repairs. Did you get dismissed by a dealer? My cousin has his replaced free not too long ago.

EDIT: Wait, 1999 did not have the headgasket problem as the entire gasket assembly was fixed in 1998.

Thats what they told me. Which wasn't what two mechanics said, including one I trust. And it was definately leaking oil.

If they did fix it, they did a piss poor fvcking job.

A HG won't necessarily leak oil. Do oyu know where it is leaking? Take off the radiator cap while the engine is cool and look down it. If you see any milkshake-colored stuff down there, it is the HG.

The car was repaired over a year ago. I trust the judgement of that first mechanic. He's had numorous opportunities to rip me off, and has chosen not too, which is why I drive an hour and half to get all my work done by him...in addition, his shop did not have the equipment to do the repair and thus had nothing to gain by making up that particular problem.

While perhaps there were changes under the hood that I do not know about, there is no decernable difference that I can see between my 99 neon and the 94?-98 ones out there. I won't pretend to be any sort of car expert though. All I know, is this car developed a horrible oil leak at like 45k.

Edit: A quick google reveals I'm not the only one with a 99 neon to develop the problem.

 

[Brutuskend]

Somehow 23K and cheap doesn't sound like it should be used in the same sentence.

But then I remember why you could buy a new Caddy for 3k! :Q

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
http://www.ssmoparmuscle.com/speedcomp.htm

14.8/13.5 depending upon engine for the crossfire. not that great for a "sports" car.

2003 civic LX does it in 17.8

and your telling me a 20 hp boost equates to a 4 second drop in the quarter mile?????

MIKE

Not like GM does it much better for a sports car:

2004 Pontiac GTO 5.3 13.62
2005 Pontiac GTO 4.8 13.30

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
My girlfriend has a 1999 Dodge Neon...it's a piece. The gaskets around the doors don't seal up properly, it rattles, has trouble starting, runs rough, the seats are uncomfortable, it's junk @ 67,000 miles, and it's never been in an accident.

Has it developed the standard oil leak yet? My 99 Neon got it at 45k miles. Just in time for the warrenty to run out. Despite the fact that its a pretty well known manufactors defect, I was summarily dismissed when I asked for compensation for the repairs. As expected.

My car also has developed a penchant for running like sh|t as of late (about 65k miles on it right now).

I don't care if the crossfire is made out solid gold, I've been burned and I will now vote with the only vote that I have that counts, my dollars. Hopefully I can squeeze a couple more years out of this junker before I buy a boring ass toyota. I just don't feel like worrying about horsesh|t anymore.

As far as I know, they are still offering to pay for those repairs. Did you get dismissed by a dealer? My cousin has his replaced free not too long ago.

EDIT: Wait, 1999 did not have the headgasket problem as the entire gasket assembly was fixed in 1998.

Thats what they told me. Which wasn't what two mechanics said, including one I trust. And it was definately leaking oil.

If they did fix it, they did a piss poor fvcking job.

A HG won't necessarily leak oil. Do oyu know where it is leaking? Take off the radiator cap while the engine is cool and look down it. If you see any milkshake-colored stuff down there, it is the HG.

The car was repaired over a year ago. I trust the judgement of that first mechanic. He's had numorous opportunities to rip me off, and has chosen not too, which is why I drive an hour and half to get all my work done by him...in addition, his shop did not have the equipment to do the repair and thus had nothing to gain by making up that particular problem.

While perhaps there were changes under the hood that I do not know about, there is no decernable difference that I can see between my 99 neon and the 94?-98 ones out there. I won't pretend to be any sort of car expert though. All I know, is this car developed a horrible oil leak at like 45k.

When my HG went years ago, I knew very little about cars. The first place I took it to told me I had a cracked block and offered to install a new one for $3,000. I took it to a friend who replaced the HG, water pump, and timing belt (or chain, can't remember) for $350.

The difference iin mid-98 is that they went to a different material for the gasket. I believe the revised one has a metallic layer in it.

Yep, I was right: http://www.allpar.com/fix/headgasket-2.html