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Canon 5D The king of the kings. (many sample shots)

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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Pretty nice body, but lens are everything 🙂

Here's a shot taken with the Pentax *ist DL(pentax's lowest end DSLR at $500), but with top notch 100mm F/2.8 Macro
link
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Yes, lens is very important and I, too, always said that Lens is more important than the body. That has always been the case. But, any good lens on a crop body just can't produce the Film-like spacious feel of image FF can do.
 
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Pretty nice body, but lens are everything 🙂

Here's a shot taken with the Pentax *ist DL(pentax's lowest end DSLR at $500), but with top notch 100mm F/2.8 Macro
link
Click to expand...

Yes, lens is very important and I, too, always said that Lens is more important than the body. That has always been the case. But, any good lens on a crop body just can't produce the Film-like spacious feel of image FF can do.
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Spacious? FF bodies just have no imaging crop, and a shallower depth of field(which some argue is a con).
Anyways, it's an awesome body both ways 🙂
So how about medium format digital? 😉 Pentax is comming out with one soon.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0503/05031502pentax645digital.asp
 
hmm...if i weren't buying a motorcycle i'd consider it. oddly enough, i'll probably spend less on the motorcycle in the long run as i tend to go a little crazy with lenses
 
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
But, any good lens on a crop body just can't produce the Film-like spacious feel of image FF can do.
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I own a 20D and love it. That being said, you sound like a religious zealot. "Film Like" and "spacious feel"? Do you also buy $1K audio cables for your stereo?

The 5D is an awesome camera b/c it is the first reasonably price FF DSLR to hit the market. However, a photo at 50mm on the 5D has the same FOV as a photo taken with a 30mm (31.25 to be exact) on a 1.6x DSLR. The only difference in this situation is that the 5D would produce a more detailed image due to its superior resolution. A 100 ISO 4x6 print would look identical.

There is no "film like spacious feel" as you put it, whatever that means.


 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
So how about medium format digital? 😉 Pentax is comming out with one soon.
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I can't speak for any price difference, but it has a Kodak sensor. If the image quality is not leaps and bounds above Kodak's DCS Pro Back, the Phase One will absolutely shred it.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Pretty nice body, but lens are everything 🙂

Here's a shot taken with the Pentax *ist DL(pentax's lowest end DSLR at $500), but with top notch 100mm F/2.8 Macro
link
Click to expand...

Yes, lens is very important and I, too, always said that Lens is more important than the body. That has always been the case. But, any good lens on a crop body just can't produce the Film-like spacious feel of image FF can do.
Click to expand...

Spacious? FF bodies just have no imaging crop, and a shallower depth of field(which some argue is a con).
Anyways, it's an awesome body both ways 🙂
So how about medium format digital? 😉 Pentax is comming out with one soon.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0503/05031502pentax645digital.asp
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"Spacious" feel is different than the DoF althouhg it's highly related to DoF.
Contax cameras(Especially N Digital) are famous for its "spacious" feel. Along with many
other reasons, its gray tone gives that mysterious spacious punch. That's the reason why many N digital users won't give away their camera although it's a slow ass camera and why many other brands of camera users admired N Digital.
Canon's another FF camera, 1Ds MK2 didn't have that spacious feel as its color combination didn't generate that feel to it.
Now, Canon 5D can generate that spacious feel of N digital. Also, 5D can generate strong/vivid colors of Pentax *ist DS. The built-in image processor is so strong, it's like a built-in photoshop. And it has so many combination of steps. The possibility is just amazing.
Kodak has always been the king of Color algorithm but I see Canon coming very close, if not alreay better than Kodak(Only when it comes to built-in camera image processing).

EDIT: Those who shoot in RAW can even benefit from the new DPP 2.0 program.
EDIT2: Other than DoF, 'Spacious' feel is realated to dymanic range, various color generation, contrast, saturation. Those who have hard time understanding the term, try looking at pictures taken with Contax N Digital. The term "Spacious" may sound weird but as you look at N Digital pictures, you'd understand.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Pretty nice body, but lens are everything 🙂

Here's a shot taken with the Pentax *ist DL(pentax's lowest end DSLR at $500), but with top notch 100mm F/2.8 Macro
link
Click to expand...

that's a nice shot, really nice :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
But, any good lens on a crop body just can't produce the Film-like spacious feel of image FF can do.
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I own a 20D and love it. That being said, you sound like a religious zealot. "Film Like" and "spacious feel"? Do you also buy $1K audio cables for your stereo?

The 5D is an awesome camera b/c it is the first reasonably price FF DSLR to hit the market. However, a photo at 50mm on the 5D has the same FOV as a photo taken with a 30mm (31.25 to be exact) on a 1.6x DSLR. The only difference in this situation is that the 5D would produce a more detailed image due to its superior resolution. A 100 ISO 4x6 print would look identical.

There is no "film like spacious feel" as you put it, whatever that means.
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Fod is different. Barrell distortion is different. The light that hits the sensor is different. Dynamic range is different. There're many other factors that comes into play. It's not as simple as 50=1.6 x 31.25
Anway, I'm not a person with super ears(Hell, I can't even tell the difference between 128k mp3 files and above.) or eyes. I wish I could've given you better explained answers. Anway, those are what I gathered from reading various professional resources(Well, that's a few words that I remember although they explained it a lot better). Anway, I've seen sample shots showing the differences and I could spot the difference. Try looking it up on google. BTW, I have asked for detailed explanation on a camera forum and that I should be able to give to better answers sooner or later.

To give you some idea, think about 300mm lens on a 1.5x crop camera and 450mm lens on FF camera. It's just different. It's obvious.

EDIT: Some information I found on Google.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45388

EDIT: I just rembered this one. "An unerected penis pulled to 12 inch is just different than the erected 12 inch penis. Yes, it's same if that's all you're conecerned about" In an Odd way, I believe this explains everything.
 
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Try 5D with standard 50mm lenses. Many of those who's tried it sold their 10D,20D along with various mm L lenses just to be happy with 5d+50mm lens. 5D+50mm is that powerful.

****

Don't be suprised. Many have done it and many others are doing it. Again, that's the power of 5D. I'm sure those who can simply afford 5D would never do it but there are many people who can't afford 5D without selling their L lenses. Notice how many sample shots were taken with 50mm lens? It's because 5D produces one of a kind images that a crop body+L lens can't do and that many users who were in the 2nd catagory, indeed, sold crop body camera+L lenses to be with 5D+50mm lens.

EDIT: SLR Club also has buyer to seller market place and I see many Canon users selling
various lenses. Some are selling 1Ds MK2 so they can switch to 5D.
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Alright, now there are some statements that are just plain silliness here. Fortunately, most ATOT'ers don't have that kind of mad money to not do their research when it comes to high-end DSLR's.

Just because there are some people selling gear to afford the new stuff (which there ALWAYS are when anything new is released) doesn't mean a "Holy Grail" product has hit the market.

Those who allegedly sell their 1D MKII for a 5D would do so for very specific reasons, among those reasons being a preference in Full Frame Image Sensor, Resolution and relatively low price point compared to 1-Series bodies. Of the one or two photog's I've witnessed posting about selling their MKII for a 5D the comments "The MKII was more camera than I needed", "I just don't need the 8 frames per second of the MKII", and they didn't need the 1-Series Weather sealing are common. Note that many MANY inexperienced gadget hounds pounced on the 1D MKII when it came out only to find that they were so far in over their head that they didn't know what to do with the thing if they ventured off Full Auto. The MKII is in no way an amatuer's camera, yet the feeding frenzy of new MKII owners was almost unprecedented.

You have to consider the target market for the 5D as well. It IS Full Frame, and that's what the FF enthusiasts are drooling about. A high-resolution FF Pro body in that price range is a sweet heart deal. But, it's not for everyone. Soooooo many people are infatuated with the idea of Full Frame image sensors without really understanding what they have in a 1.3/1.5/1.6x crop factor of various sensors. Even in the stalwart photography community there's argument as to what a crop factor per image sensor size means. But what most FF enthusiasts are excited about in the 5D is that they can use the lenses that they've become comfortable with in film and get the exact same expectation of range in digital now. An 85mm lens is a true 85mm in relation to 35mm frame size as compared to an actual range of 136mm if that same lens were mounted on a DSLR with a 1.6x image sensor.

Wide angle is actually wide angle on a FF sensor. I have a 17-40 f/4L lens that when mounted to my 10D gives me an actual wide aspect of 27.2mm. If I were really into wide angle, that might frustrate me a little bit.

DSLR's with a crop factor (image sensor multiplicaton factor) such as a 350D, 10D, 20D, 1D MKII, though they might not give a true wide angle experience compared to a full frame sensor, they do offer up an extension of range to your lens set. I personally like super telephoto lenses. So, I tend to prefer a DSLR that has a smaller image sensor. It gives me 'extra' range for free. A 5D would be of little or no value to me in that respect. I would actually prefer more megapixels of resolution in a small image sensor rather than a full frame sensor.

Due diligence people. Understand why people might trade/sell gear for a 5D. It's not because it's a benchmark camera in any sense of the word. It's an incredible camera at an incredible price for the specific type of market that it's designed for. It's not a one size fits all bit of gear. In fact, non of the Canon Pro bodies are. Though, Canon doesn't (at least not that I've read) call it a "Pro" camera. They do recommend it for Advanced Photographers.

It's just plain silly to comment that people are selling their "L" glass to get the 5D. "L" glass is always for sale; because someone wants something bigger/better, because someone regrets plunking the dough for more lens than they need, because they want to change their lens lineup. People don't drop lenses because a new camera hits the market; that is unless the capabilty of that camera gives them something that their current lens collection cannot perform and they are strapped for cash in getting a lens more suited to their needs. BTW, few "Pro" level consumers make poor judgements in lens purchases; so I would say that those who dump a lens to get a body either didn't need the lens in the first place or they've changed their preference in photography to lean more wide angle than telephoto. There may be owners out there who are selling their 20D or lenses to get a 5D, but they're the exception - not the norm. And, if they're selling lenses to get one, It's a "Body Only" gig so hopefully they're not selling their only lens 😉.

Now, there are quite a few professional photographers who are very interested in this camera. If you read the posts in FM (fredmiranda.com) you'll see the reasons why. Deadtrees makes a point of a FF sensor w/a 50mm lens and I'll actually acknowledge that the combination in reference is a sweet spot for certain types of photography. Canon's own marketing of the product states that this particular camera was created to address a category that wasn't specifically addressed before. I'll end the diatribe, I hear snoring and finger tapping in the background...

There are a lot of reasons why a lot of people want the 5D, but I caution anyone considering plunking down that kind of change to seriously consider why you think you want it as opposed to any other camera. Just because there's a frenzy and a backorder does not mean it's the right camera for you. Like I said, the 1D MKII had nearly unprecedented new user sales. The internet forums also had an unprecedented number of new forum members pissing off the veterans with their "I can't believe I need to post-process an image out of a $5k camera!" and similar BS.

The 5D is indeed sweet. Sure i wouldn't mind having one. The larger viewfinder FOV and increase in MP would be nice, but sell my 350D, 10D or "L" glass to get one? You're smoking crack right!? Glass stays, cameras come and go. I'll wait for something truly new and innovative before I plunk three large, not just a nice imporovement.

For some I suppose, it just might be the holy grail. But at that, I'd question their salvation.

 
Nice informative post 🙂
That's what I suspected, except you just typed it all out 😎

BTW deadtrees.. just out of curiosity since I have the *ist DS also.. what lenses do you have for it?
 
Originally posted by: Sketcher
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
Try 5D with standard 50mm lenses. Many of those who's tried it sold their 10D,20D along with various mm L lenses just to be happy with 5d+50mm lens. 5D+50mm is that powerful.

****

Don't be suprised. Many have done it and many others are doing it. Again, that's the power of 5D. I'm sure those who can simply afford 5D would never do it but there are many people who can't afford 5D without selling their L lenses. Notice how many sample shots were taken with 50mm lens? It's because 5D produces one of a kind images that a crop body+L lens can't do and that many users who were in the 2nd catagory, indeed, sold crop body camera+L lenses to be with 5D+50mm lens.

EDIT: SLR Club also has buyer to seller market place and I see many Canon users selling
various lenses. Some are selling 1Ds MK2 so they can switch to 5D.
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Alright, now there are some statements that are just plain silliness here. Fortunately, most ATOT'ers don't have that kind of mad money to not do their research when it comes to high-end DSLR's.

Just because there are some people selling gear to afford the new stuff (which there ALWAYS are when anything new is released) doesn't mean a "Holy Grail" product has hit the market.

Those who allegedly sell their 1D MKII for a 5D would do so for very specific reasons, among those reasons being a preference in Full Frame Image Sensor, Resolution and relatively low price point compared to 1-Series bodies. Of the one or two photog's I've witnessed posting about selling their MKII for a 5D the comments "The MKII was more camera than I needed", "I just don't need the 8 frames per second of the MKII", and they didn't need the 1-Series Weather sealing are common. Note that many MANY inexperienced gadget hounds pounced on the 1D MKII when it came out only to find that they were so far in over their head that they didn't know what to do with the thing if they ventured off Full Auto. The MKII is in no way an amatuer's camera, yet the feeding frenzy of new MKII owners was almost unprecedented.

You have to consider the target market for the 5D as well. It IS Full Frame, and that's what the FF enthusiasts are drooling about. A high-resolution FF Pro body in that price range is a sweet heart deal. But, it's not for everyone. Soooooo many people are infatuated with the idea of Full Frame image sensors without really understanding what they have in a 1.3/1.5/1.6x crop factor of various sensors. Even in the stalwart photography community there's argument as to what a crop factor per image sensor size means. But what most FF enthusiasts are excited about in the 5D is that they can use the lenses that they've become comfortable with in film and get the exact same expectation of range in digital now. An 85mm lens is a true 85mm in relation to 35mm frame size as compared to an actual range of 136mm if that same lens were mounted on a DSLR with a 1.6x image sensor.

Wide angle is actually wide angle on a FF sensor. I have a 17-40 f/4L lens that when mounted to my 10D gives me an actual wide aspect of 27.2mm. If I were really into wide angle, that might frustrate me a little bit.

DSLR's with a crop factor (image sensor multiplicaton factor) such as a 350D, 10D, 20D, 1D MKII, though they might not give a true wide angle experience compared to a full frame sensor, they do offer up an extension of range to your lens set. I personally like super telephoto lenses. So, I tend to prefer a DSLR that has a smaller image sensor. It gives me 'extra' range for free. A 5D would be of little or no value to me in that respect. I would actually prefer more megapixels of resolution in a small image sensor rather than a full frame sensor.

Due diligence people. Understand why people might trade/sell gear for a 5D. It's not because it's a benchmark camera in any sense of the word. It's an incredible camera at an incredible price for the specific type of market that it's designed for. It's not a one size fits all bit of gear. In fact, non of the Canon Pro bodies are. Though, Canon doesn't (at least not that I've read) call it a "Pro" camera. They do recommend it for Advanced Photographers.

It's just plain silly to comment that people are selling their "L" glass to get the 5D. "L" glass is always for sale; because someone wants something bigger/better, because someone regrets plunking the dough for more lens than they need, because they want to change their lens lineup. People don't drop lenses because a new camera hits the market; that is unless the capabilty of that camera gives them something that their current lens collection cannot perform and they are strapped for cash in getting a lens more suited to their needs. BTW, few "Pro" level consumers make poor judgements in lens purchases; so I would say that those who dump a lens to get a body either didn't need the lens in the first place or they've changed their preference in photography to lean more wide angle than telephoto. There may be owners out there who are selling their 20D or lenses to get a 5D, but they're the exception - not the norm. And, if they're selling lenses to get one, It's a "Body Only" gig so hopefully they're not selling their only lens 😉.

Now, there are quite a few professional photographers who are very interested in this camera. If you read the posts in FM (fredmiranda.com) you'll see the reasons why. Deadtrees makes a point of a FF sensor w/a 50mm lens and I'll actually acknowledge that the combination in reference is a sweet spot for certain types of photography. Canon's own marketing of the product states that this particular camera was created to address a category that wasn't specifically addressed before. I'll end the diatribe, I hear snoring and finger tapping in the background...

There are a lot of reasons why a lot of people want the 5D, but I caution anyone considering plunking down that kind of change to seriously consider why you think you want it as opposed to any other camera. Just because there's a frenzy and a backorder does not mean it's the right camera for you. Like I said, the 1D MKII had nearly unprecedented new user sales. The internet forums also had an unprecedented number of new forum members pissing off the veterans with their "I can't believe I need to post-process an image out of a $5k camera!" and similar BS.

The 5D is indeed sweet. Sure i wouldn't mind having one. The larger viewfinder FOV and increase in MP would be nice, but sell my 350D, 10D or "L" glass to get one? You're smoking crack right!? Glass stays, cameras come and go. I'll wait for something truly new and improved before I plunk three large, not just a nice imporovement.
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No, I'm not smoking Crack. I guess many others are doing so. As I said, lens sure is more important than the Body but this time, it is different. Because in exchange of expensive lenses, people are truely experiencing the what the lens truely offers.
FF well built camera+50mm lens is the true thing and that's what many professional legendary photographers recommend.
I've never seen this happening before, not just Canon but including all the other brands. And that's what makes me amazed. Also, many users don't shoot in RAW and that Built in image processing is important. I would've not been this impressed if 5D just just an FF camera. However, 5D's built in image processor is one state of art processor.

FF is the standard. Back in some years ago, I thought 1.x crop factor would be the standard and that lenses for 1.x crop body would appear. I even thought Olympus's fourthird might stand a chance. Nope. FF has been the standard for a long time. Almost all lenses are based on FF body. I would've said 1.x crop will be the standard if Canon didn't come out with $3300 camera this soon. Now, all the other Dslr brands have no option to follow just like they did with Canon's 300D. Either 1.x crop sensor will disappear in time or they'll be used on High-end compact cameras(Sony has already started it).

5D is so well made and that it reminds me of Nikon FM2 film camera(more than 20 year old film camera). I just didn't think Dslr could catch up this fast. Yes, Lenses stay and cameras come and go. But once it reaches the level of FM2, it just stays. Of course, there'll be better cameras, but if the one you have is so well made, it just stays and 5D, for the first time in Dslr world, stay-er.
Because of that, I understand people selling their Dslrs along with L lenses. 5D+50mm offers what they've missed. They, for sure, will miss various mm of wide/telephoto lenses but 5D+50mm sure will fill in that spot with its amazing photo. Oh and they sure will buy those lenses back but the temtation now is just way too high. It's that well made.


P.S : I do sound like a Canon fanboi. I have recommanded Canon 3x0D, but mostly recommanded Nikon Dxx lines before and I'm a happy Pentax *ist DS user. I'm excited because 5D is such a well bulit camera; The first Dslr that has a keeper value.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Nice informative post 🙂
That's what I suspected, except you just typed it all out 😎

BTW deadtrees.. just out of curiosity since I have the *ist DS also.. what lenses do you have for it?
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For now, I have the bundle lens along with 645 300mm F4+67 90mm f2.8 lenses. Those are two medium format lenses that belong to the professional photographer I know. He doesn't use them much and that I have access to them anytime I want to.

Now, I'm waiting for Carl Zeiss 80mm biometar MC 2.8(Carl Zeiss medium format lens for Pentacon camera. With K mount Adapter, you can use it on *ist DS) It's one amazing lens and the price is amazingly cheap. I got mine from ebay for about $100.

And, I'm planning to sell Canon S2IS so that I can buy a Limited or star lens(I hope to get FA? 31mm F1.8 but that's too expensive and that I'll probably get FA 35mm F2AL.)

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=p...lect_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=21190

(On above sample pictures. Check out the color and how background has oil painting like swirl feel)

EDIT: Oh and I'm trying to find M 50mm f1.2 or f1.4 lens but had no luck finding them. If you know a place that sells them, please let me know. Untill then, I just have to stick with my friend's Nikon 50mm lens. Suprisingly it does mount on *ist DS although there's a bit of gap.
 
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
No, I'm not smoking Crack. I guess many others are doing so. As I said, lens sure is more important than the Body but this time, it is different. Because in exchange of expensive lenses, people are truely experiencing the what the lens truely offers.
FF well built camera+50mm lens is the true thing and that's what many professional legendary photographers recommend.
I've never seen this happening before, not just Canon but including all the other brands. And that's what makes me amazed. Also, many users don't shoot in RAW and that Built in image processing is important. I would've not been this impressed if 5D just just an FF camera. However, 5D's built in image processor is one state of art processor.

FF is the standard. Back in some years ago, I thought 1.x crop factor would be the standard and that lenses for 1.x crop body would appear. I even thought Olympus's fourthird might stand a chance. Nope. FF has been the standard for a long time. Almost all lenses are based on FF body. I would've said 1.x crop will be the standard if Canon didn't come out with $3300 camera this soon. Now, all the other Dslr brands have no option to follow just like they did with Canon's 300D. Either 1.x crop sensor will disappear in time or they'll be used on High-end compact cameras(Sony has already started it).

5D is so well made and that it reminds me of Nikon FM2 film camera(more than 20 year old film camera). I just didn't think Dslr could catch up this fast. Yes, Lenses stay and cameras come and go. But once it reaches the level of FM2, it just stays. Of course, there'll be better cameras, but if the one you have is so well made, it just stays and 5D, for the first time in Dslr world, stay-er.
Because of that, I understand people selling their Dslrs along with L lenses. 5D+50mm offers what they've missed. They, for sure, will miss various mm of wide/telephoto lenses but 5D+50mm sure will fill in that spot with its amazing photo. Oh and they sure will buy those lenses back but the temtation now is just way too high. It's that well made.


P.S : I do sound like a Canon fanboi. I have recommanded Canon 3x0D, but mostly recommanded Nikon Dxx lines before and I'm a happy Pentax *ist DS user. I'm excited because 5D is such a well bulit camera; The first Dslr that has a keeper value.
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Nothing wrong with being a Canon fanboy. I'm just hesitant to hail the 5D as the benchmark in DSLR right now. No doubt it's one stellar camera. Full Frame is attractive for those who would most benefit from wide-angle. And the MP resolution is quite a delicious bell. The whistling about improved Dynamic range; got any linked specs? Admittedly I haven't researched the detail as much as you have but the 5D uses the same Digic II processor as the 20D so my initial knee jerk reaction is that Dynamic Range isn't touched. If there's something to note regarding color enhancement it's the "Picture Style" modes that emulate different film speed or color preferences. Though a really neat feature (and one that I'm particularly interested in), I don't know if "Picture Style" coloring is a selling point for a camera in the triple k's. It might be a selling point for those people who prefer to not handle color enhancement in post-processing though. You're right in that ISO 1600 is incredible in terms of low noise, but that capability is not unique to the 5D.

I have to state that my particular viewpoint is in regards to my preferences and that I already have two capable DSLR's. Perhaps if I were starting from a less functional gear standpoint the 5D might be more appealing to me. Though for all its' goodness, I'd lose the magnification factor that I'm currently enjoying and it's a very expensive camera that does not have the weather sealing of the 1-series.

IMO, if you take a person who is new to photography and start them out with a 1.6x crop factor, they won't think of their shooting in terms relative to 35mm. So when you say that FF is the standard, well it's the standard relative "to". At that point they think in terms of whether they shoot wide angle (then they'd notice a comparative difference between 1.x factor DSLR's and available lenses) or telephoto (in which case switching from a 1.x factor DSLR to a FF body would immediately disappoint).

With the benefits of FF sensors also come some caveats. You mention that you can now truly benefit from the capability of your lenses. That also means that poor or average quality lenses will all the more show lens flaws and poor glass craftsmanship in the final image. It will be all the more necessary to use the more expensive lenses to make that statement a true one.

I'm not saying that you're not making a couple good points; I'm saying there is more to it than what your particular preferences are touting as the reason why this camera is so unique AND why it's not a camera that warrants the title you've bestowed of "King of Kings".




 
I'd like to see what lenses they were using. It's really the lens that makes the picture. A FF sensor is definitely welcome though. I'd like to get to use all of my 17-40mm f/4 lens on a digital camera. If they run any rebates on this camera in the future I might have to pick one up.
 
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
To give you some idea, think about 300mm lens on a 1.5x crop camera and 450mm lens on FF camera. It's just different. It's obvious.
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How so? It's not obvious to me or telephoto photographers for that matter. Assuming equal pixel density, the resulting pictures would be the same. However, since some people need as much telephoto range as possible, then using a camera with the greatest pixel density is the best choice. This would favor the 20D or even better, the D2x over the 5D. It all comes down to what you are looking for out of a camera.

This business about "spaciousness" and "film like" is just silly, especially considering it is all Canon technology and nothing dramatic has changed.
 
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