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Cannabis: An apology..Published: 18 March 2007

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I don't believe for a second pot on itself causes schizophrenia or whatever other illness. There has to be some underlying cause. Also, there's different kinds of smokers. Take me, for example, I only smoke on weekends and in holidays. I've got exam week right now, and I haven't smoked in about a week. There's a big, BIG difference between smoking now and then and smoking every day. Also, shrooms are a whole different ballpark. I've done shrooms, and if you can't handle it mentally, you're more or less fscked. Even more with acid, although I haven't done that yet (I plan too, though).
 
I guess I'll just stick to my daily smoking and drinking - there's no negative consequences to either of those activities, that's why they are both legal! :roll:
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm not clear of your stance on this issue. Are you for or against cannabis?

I don't believe for a second there is a clear link between cannabis and schizophrenia.

The next link will be between speeding in a car and having AIDS. :roll:
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your entitled to believe what you wish...even if your beliefs are wrong...
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: stnicralisk
Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm not clear of your stance on this issue. Are you for or against cannabis?

I don't believe for a second there is a clear link between cannabis and schizophrenia.

The next link will be between speeding in a car and having AIDS. :roll:
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My nephew has schizophrenia and he smoked pot every single day. Coincidence? Maybe. However considering that there has been research on this issue showing that young males who smoke pot are far more likely to develop schizophrenia I see no reason to bash the connection.

What credentials do you have that should make us think twice before believing doctors?
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I don't need credentials. What credentials do the people who wrote the study have? Who is funding them? Who do they answer to? What is their motivation? What is their stance on the issue they are studying?
Since you put a "Dr." in front of someones name they instantly become credible, right?
If a doctor tells you that god exists, do you blindly believe him? Your doctor tells you that eating 1lb of lard a day is good for your heart, do you believe him?

Most likely your nephew has mental issues/disease far beyond what you know. Why did he start smoking pot? How did he act when he was smoking? Was he still a productive member of society while smoking? What is your family medical history? What medical problems did he have as a child? What was his diet like? What area of the country (world) did he live in? How was his social interaction with peers? How, what, why when.. etc.

Do you see where I'm going with this? The complexity of mental diseases are so far beyond what we as humans understand, but we can so easily and readily tag a mental illness on an illicit substance? In less than 10 years we can figure out that cannabis is directly linked with schizophrenia, but we still havn't figured out so many other medical issues we have been working on for decades. Right, that doesn't sound issue motivated to me at all.....

Instead of immediately believeing a small set of opinions given to you by a doctor or scientist, you should step back and think about it critically for a minute. Though most people are dim enough to automatically believe whatever they hear if it comes from the mouth of someone who has a couple of letters preceeding their name.

On a side note, your post is just too perfect. Family member, the substance, daily use and he has schizophrenia. Sounds believeable. 😀
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what we see is that you are probably a user who is in denial and no amount of proof concerning anything you posted will sway your infounded beliefs that its ok to smoke pot!!

Your credible...lolol....
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm not clear of your stance on this issue. Are you for or against cannabis?

I don't believe for a second there is a clear link between cannabis and schizophrenia.

The next link will be between speeding in a car and having AIDS. :roll:
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your entitled to believe what you wish...even if your beliefs are wrong...
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why are you so adverse to reality? if there were any real connection between marijuana and any serious health issues there would be more than just a few whacko drs with evidence to support such claims. of course alcohol is fine because it is legal, even though there is plenty of medical evidence of the harm it causes. just so you know there is a whole world of pretty normal people who smoke pot regularly outside your little world of right wing agenda and nonsense.

 
Remember that what they are talking about is "skunk" which is expensive; $15@Gm, most people Smoke the
"cheap" stuff. Also to claim that cannabis is as harmful as heroin or cocaine is just wrong, Withdrawal from
the latter requires medical supervision for the horrific symptoms of withdrawal. Take away someone's pot
and they aren't gonna like it but more than likely they will just drink a few beers and forget about it...
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: stnicralisk
Originally posted by: SampSon
I'm not clear of your stance on this issue. Are you for or against cannabis?

I don't believe for a second there is a clear link between cannabis and schizophrenia.

The next link will be between speeding in a car and having AIDS. :roll:
Click to expand...

My nephew has schizophrenia and he smoked pot every single day. Coincidence? Maybe. However considering that there has been research on this issue showing that young males who smoke pot are far more likely to develop schizophrenia I see no reason to bash the connection.

What credentials do you have that should make us think twice before believing doctors?
Click to expand...
I don't need credentials. What credentials do the people who wrote the study have? Who is funding them? Who do they answer to? What is their motivation? What is their stance on the issue they are studying?
Since you put a "Dr." in front of someones name they instantly become credible, right?
If a doctor tells you that god exists, do you blindly believe him? Your doctor tells you that eating 1lb of lard a day is good for your heart, do you believe him?

Most likely your nephew has mental issues/disease far beyond what you know. Why did he start smoking pot? How did he act when he was smoking? Was he still a productive member of society while smoking? What is your family medical history? What medical problems did he have as a child? What was his diet like? What area of the country (world) did he live in? How was his social interaction with peers? How, what, why when.. etc.

Do you see where I'm going with this? The complexity of mental diseases are so far beyond what we as humans understand, but we can so easily and readily tag a mental illness on an illicit substance? In less than 10 years we can figure out that cannabis is directly linked with schizophrenia, but we still havn't figured out so many other medical issues we have been working on for decades. Right, that doesn't sound issue motivated to me at all.....

Instead of immediately believeing a small set of opinions given to you by a doctor or scientist, you should step back and think about it critically for a minute. Though most people are dim enough to automatically believe whatever they hear if it comes from the mouth of someone who has a couple of letters preceeding their name.

On a side note, your post is just too perfect. Family member, the substance, daily use and he has schizophrenia. Sounds believeable. 😀
Click to expand...

what we see is that you are probably a user who is in denial and no amount of proof concerning anything you posted will sway your infounded beliefs that its ok to smoke pot!!

Your credible...lolol....
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Where do you get that he's a user in denial? Maybe I missed it.

Anyway, I don't smoke and agree with him.
 
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Have fun with you new friends when they show up Vegitto.
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Well, there's always room for one more..

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Remember that what they are talking about is "skunk" which is expensive; $15@Gm, most people Smoke the
"cheap" stuff. Also to claim that cannabis is as harmful as heroin or cocaine is just wrong, Withdrawal from
the latter requires medical supervision for the horrific symptoms of withdrawal. Take away someone's pot
and they aren't gonna like it but more than likely they will just drink a few beers and forget about it...
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Haha, you crazy Americans.. I get 5 grams for ?35 over here, and it's the strongest ****** you've ever smoked.. American skunk is between 5-8% THC. Dutch weed, on the other hand (I like White Widow and NLX) is between 11-17%. I've got some NLX left, and I think it's about 15%.. I've smoked with Americans that were like 'well, your stuff isn't nothing special', and after taking a hit or two, they were stoned out of their minds..

Anyways, I gotta go study.. Blah.
 
Is what these people smoking pure weed or is it laced with something like PCP? I cant see pure weed causing any other side effects other then being happy and eating alot, laced with something else to enhance the effects of it, like with PCP, will sure mess you up quick, and in the long run.
 
Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Have fun with you new friends when they show up Vegitto.
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Well, there's always room for one more..

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Remember that what they are talking about is "skunk" which is expensive; $15@Gm, most people Smoke the
"cheap" stuff. Also to claim that cannabis is as harmful as heroin or cocaine is just wrong, Withdrawal from
the latter requires medical supervision for the horrific symptoms of withdrawal. Take away someone's pot
and they aren't gonna like it but more than likely they will just drink a few beers and forget about it...
Click to expand...

Haha, you crazy Americans.. I get 5 grams for ?35 over here, and it's the strongest ****** you've ever smoked.. American skunk is between 5-8% THC. Dutch weed, on the other hand (I like White Widow and NLX) is between 11-17%. I've got some NLX left, and I think it's about 15%.. I've smoked with Americans that were like 'well, your stuff isn't nothing special', and after taking a hit or two, they were stoned out of their minds..

Anyways, I gotta go study.. Blah.
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Where you live in the US is typically how picky you can afford to be. A lot of people here are stuck smoking crappy, low THC Mexican brick because it is simply all that can be had, especially when the better homegrown stocks run out. It's a sellers market here.

 
Originally posted by: Amused
Schizophrenics are known to self medicate, be it with alcohol or drugs. One of my brothers is schizophrenic and he started medicating with heavy alcohol use years before he was diagnosed.

The study MUST prove cause, not just correlation. Correlation goes both ways and just leaves you with a chicken/egg dilemma. The problem here is studies like these are clouded by the irrationality of the war on drugs.
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I'd like to add that this is why most schizophrenics are heavy cigarette smokers, as well.

Some studies looking at self medication:

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196901923

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...ubMed&list_uids=15204665&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...ubMed&list_uids=15964073&dopt=Abstract

Or search for yourself using schizophrenic +"self medicate" to see over 40,000 pages on this issue.

In short, the OP has been duped by WOD propaganda that puts the cart before the horse.

Disclaimers: No, I do not smoke pot. No, I do not think it's OK to smoke pot recreationally. Yes, I do oppose the war on drugs. No I do not think pot should be illegal.
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Amused
Schizophrenics are known to self medicate, be it with alcohol or drugs. One of my brothers is schizophrenic and he started medicating with heavy alcohol use years before he was diagnosed.

The study MUST prove cause, not just correlation. Correlation goes both ways and just leaves you with a chicken/egg dilemma. The problem here is studies like these are clouded by the irrationality of the war on drugs.
Click to expand...

I'd like to add that this is why most schizophrenics are heavy smokers, as well.

Some studies looking at self medication:

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196901923

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...ubMed&list_uids=15204665&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...ubMed&list_uids=15964073&dopt=Abstract

Or search for yourself using schizophrenic +"self medicate" to see over 40,000 pages on this issue.

In short, the OP has been duped by WOD propaganda that puts the cart before the horse.
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So, you're FOR legalization or AGAINST? Sorry, I fail at reading comprehension.
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Have fun with you new friends when they show up Vegitto.
Click to expand...

Well, there's always room for one more..

Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Remember that what they are talking about is "skunk" which is expensive; $15@Gm, most people Smoke the
"cheap" stuff. Also to claim that cannabis is as harmful as heroin or cocaine is just wrong, Withdrawal from
the latter requires medical supervision for the horrific symptoms of withdrawal. Take away someone's pot
and they aren't gonna like it but more than likely they will just drink a few beers and forget about it...
Click to expand...

Haha, you crazy Americans.. I get 5 grams for ?35 over here, and it's the strongest ****** you've ever smoked.. American skunk is between 5-8% THC. Dutch weed, on the other hand (I like White Widow and NLX) is between 11-17%. I've got some NLX left, and I think it's about 15%.. I've smoked with Americans that were like 'well, your stuff isn't nothing special', and after taking a hit or two, they were stoned out of their minds..

Anyways, I gotta go study.. Blah.
Click to expand...

Where you live in the US is typically how picky you can afford to be. A lot of people here are stuck smoking crappy, low THC Mexican brick because it is simply all that can be had, especially when the better homegrown stocks run out. It's a sellers market here.
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Yeah, I guess that's true.. I wonder why we import so much coke, but don't export our weed.. Kinda weird, really. Our weed is like 2-3x stronger than your average American herb. Also, everyone over here uses tobacco with their weed, it's WAY too strong otherwise.. You guys don't, do you? Could you tell me why you like to smoke your weed pure?
 
I'm willing to bet that you could also prove that being schizo causes you to smoke pot.

I am pretty positive it is fairly well agreed on that mental problems tend to lead to drug use/dependancy (see alcoholism). Not to mention schizophrenia is usually not something you suddenly develop... it is progressive and wouldn't be surprised if seeing things that aren't there once in a while would lead you to smoke the cheeba. Not saying that smoking something that tends to make you paranoid wouldn't be a bad idea when you see things that aren't there... hell it may even make it worse. However, cause it? Doubt it.
 
Originally posted by: SirStev0
I'm willing to bet that you could also prove that being schizo causes you to smoke pot.

I am pretty positive it is fairly well agreed on that mental problems tend to lead to drug use/dependancy (see alcoholism). Not to mention schizophrenia is usually not something you suddenly develop... it is progressive and wouldn't be surprised if seeing things that aren't there once in a while would lead you to smoke the cheeba. Not saying that smoking something that tends to make you paranoid wouldn't be a bad idea when you see things that aren't there... hell it may even make it worse. However, cause it? Doubt it.
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Well, there is already proof that schizophrenics self medicate with high levels of nicotine starting very early in their disease (usually long before diagnosis). There is also compelling evidence they do the same with alcohol and drugs.

Early in the disease alcohol will quiet the random voices for many. It did for my brother.
 
do Jamaicans have a higher per capita instance of schizophrenics in there population? If yes this study may be valid. if no it is bullshit. /thread
 
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