Canadian Top Advisor Calls For Assassinating Wikileaks Owner

[imported_Champ]

Flannagan has not been a conservative adviser since the election, and is now a prof at the University of Calgary

I have had several classes with the man and he is very out spoken. He routinely bets steak dinners with his students over political issues. He is also tenured so he will not be going anywhere.

In fact he probably enjoys the attention, his office has a framed photo of someone with a sign saying "Flannagan=Rove"

He is also one of the best political science profs I have ever had. I just laughed when I watched it and thought "oh Tom"

 

[soulcougher73]

Do you idiots really not get it?

The real criminal is not Assange, it is the politicians and those that are complicit in their illegal activities. If anything, Assange should get a holiday for the work that he is doing and the willingness to literally risk his life to expose the corruption that is there on a daily basis.

This. All he is doing is exposing the "real" criminals and hidden corruption and lies the gov feds to the sheep on a daily bases.

 

[soulcougher73]

Yup. That will be very interesting. I use bank of america now and I will pull my money out if they reveal anything I deem worthy to stop working with that bank.

Dang i dropped them along time ago. There is already enough crap that BoA does that warrents not giving them my money right now.

 

[Deeko]

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is. Its specifically written in your clearance contract that you sign that compromising classified information is a violation of the security clearance & treason.

You can try to make the whole "but but they were doing something illegal!! That treason is justified!" argument if you want, but that doesn't apply to the vast majority of this stuff. For example - what is said about the leaders of a foreign government. If its classified, its classified, but just because you don't like their opinion doesn't make their opinion illegal.

Whomever leaked this information to Assange is guilty of treason. Period. There is absolutely no denying this. You can argue what punishment you think he deserves if you wish, but you simply cannot deny that its treason without being wrong.

 

[Wreckem]

In an incredible and vile TV interview with the CBC TV network, Stephen Harper's (prime minister of Canada) advisor, called for an assassination on Wikileak's owner, then suggested that Obama should "send a drone to take him out".

This idiot should be arrested immediately and jailed, not only for embarrassing us canadians but for threatening against free speech and our freedoms. Wkileaks is an eye-opener for the oppressed sheep population, now our fascist governments want to take that voice of reason from us?

Free speech does NOT apply to leaking classified material. 4000 documents in the most recent dump are classified.

Also you aren't whistle blowing when theres nothing illegal being disclosed, and so far theres nothing illegal in the cables dump. The only things that has been disclosed are embarrassing comments by various govt. officials of various countries.

Also a whistle blowing defense only applies to the stuff you are blowing the whistle on. You cannot just dump tons and tons of other unrelated classified material and say oh I was blowing the whistle.

Assange has violated US law. PFC Manning has too.

 

[irishScott]

A lovely tip on Peace, Order and Good Government from our Canadian friends. 😛

Personally I'd like someone to point out who's lives were put at risk by the stuff they exposed. Unless that's the case... arrested for espionage? Yes. Targeted for assassination? No.

They ruffled the feathers of peacocks with guns. Said adviser was probably hit directly in some form or other and just shot his mouth off that anyone dare to impune his oh-so-perfect character. 🙄

 

[Circlenaut]

Frankly I don't see the difference between Wikileaks and the mainstream media when it comes to leaking documents. The only person that should be going to jain here is the original leaker/traiter and he's already in jail.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, it is. Its specifically written in your clearance contract that you sign that compromising classified information is a violation of the security clearance & treason.

You can try to make the whole "but but they were doing something illegal!! That treason is justified!" argument if you want, but that doesn't apply to the vast majority of this stuff. For example - what is said about the leaders of a foreign government. If its classified, its classified, but just because you don't like their opinion doesn't make their opinion illegal.

Whomever leaked this information to Assange is guilty of treason. Period. There is absolutely no denying this. You can argue what punishment you think he deserves if you wish, but you simply cannot deny that its treason without being wrong.

I've had a TS/SCI security clearance, have you? Have you ever signed this 'clearance contract' that you seem to know so much about? Well I have signed all the paperwork necessary (and it's more than one form), and it is most certainly not written into your clearance paperwork that compromising classified information is treason. Distributing classified information CAN be treason, but it most certainly is not treason by definition.

I have no idea where people get these things from.

 

[IronWing]

In an incredible and vile TV interview with the CBC TV network, Stephen Harper's (prime minister of Canada) advisor, called for an assassination on Wikileak's owner, then suggested that Obama should "send a drone to take him out".

Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays.

 

[Deeko]

I've had a TS/SCI security clearance, have you? Have you ever signed this 'clearance contract' that you seem to know so much about? Well I have signed all the paperwork necessary (and it's more than one form), and it is most certainly not written into your clearance paperwork that compromising classified information is treason. Distributing classified information CAN be treason, but it most certainly is not treason by definition.

I have no idea where people get these things from.

haha I have an active sci clearance, nice try sport.

As someone that claims to be cleared, you should have more respect for the responsibilities that come withthst privilege.

 

[fskimospy]

haha I have an active sci clearance, nice try sport.

As someone that claims to be cleared, you should have more respect for the responsibilities that come withthst privilege.

I absolutely have respect for those responsibilities. I was correcting something you said that was factually incorrect, absolutely nowhere in any post on here did I say that releasing this information was a good thing. In fact, I have a bunch of posts logged saying I thought it was a bad thing.

If you have an active SCI clearance, that's only a sign that you were poorly briefed when you got it (and at your yearly security briefing that you should be getting), because you have some very strange ideas of what the penalties are for violating it.

 

[jrodson69]

Free speech does NOT apply to leaking classified material. 4000 documents in the most recent dump are classified.

Also you aren't whistle blowing when theres nothing illegal being disclosed, and so far theres nothing illegal in the cables dump. The only things that has been disclosed are embarrassing comments by various govt. officials of various countries.

Also a whistle blowing defense only applies to the stuff you are blowing the whistle on. You cannot just dump tons and tons of other unrelated classified material and say oh I was blowing the whistle.

Assange has violated US law. PFC Manning has too.

Couldn't have summed it up better myself. :thumbsup:

 

[Zebo]

Are you guys sure about that? Newspapers have leaked classified stuff for eons. The information sharer, news, is never held accountable while stealer/leaker is. just asking... I'm unclear on this.

 

[flexy]

In an incredible and vile TV interview with the CBC TV network, Stephen Harper's (prime minister of Canada) advisor, called for an assassination on Wikileak's owner, then suggested that Obama should "send a drone to take him out".

This idiot should be arrested immediately and jailed, not only for embarrassing us canadians but for threatening against free speech and our freedoms. Wkileaks is an eye-opener for the oppressed sheep population, now our fascist governments want to take that voice of reason from us?

There is nothing worse for the people in power than facing the likelihood that they would lose that power - and WL made them face that possibility. That's why they are starting to snap.

Calling upon assassination of a civilian in public (despite the controversy) is outrageous, to say it mildly. Just makes you realize how many insane people are actually in power. It also makes you realize that what Assange is doing might not be so bad, after all. People like Assange are NOT the cause for wars - it's insane people in power and their agendas.

 

[bfdd]

I know this will happen. I firmly believe what wikileaks is doing is good in the long run.

How can you on one side not trust your government with mundane things like taxes and benefits for American citizens but on the other demand the death of someone who exposes the true face of our government and corporations? That boggles my mind.

If there was anymore proof that wikileak's mission is necessary, this would be it.

Can't wait for the internal bank documents that they leak.

oh hey look at me agreeing with JSt0rm and Phokus!

 

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[Scotteq]

This. All he is doing is exposing the "real" criminals and hidden corruption and lies the gov feds to the sheep on a daily bases.

Dissenting opinion in TIME:

A remarkably broad consensus has formed that WikiLeaks' latest data dump is a diplomatic disaster for the U.S. While there are debates over how the Obama Administration should respond, everyone agrees that the revelations have weakened America. But have they? I don't deny for a moment that many of the "wikicables" are intensely embarrassing, but the sum total of the output I have read is actually quite reassuring about the way Washington — or at least the State Department — works.

First, there is little deception. These leaks have been compared to the Pentagon papers. Which they are not. The Pentagon papers revealed that the U.S. engaged in a systematic campaign to deceive the world and the American people and that its private actions were often the opposite of its stated public policy. The WikiLeaks documents, by contrast, show Washington pursuing privately pretty much the policies it has articulated publicly. Whether on Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or North Korea, the cables confirm what we know to be U.S. foreign policy. And often this foreign policy is concerned with broader regional security, not narrow American interests. Ambassadors are not caught pushing other countries in order to make deals secretly to strengthen the U.S., but rather to solve festering problems.



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2034284,00.html#ixzz16yEOM13p

 

[WelshBloke]

Are you guys sure about that? Newspapers have leaked classified stuff for eons. The information sharer, news, is never held accountable while stealer/leaker is. just asking... I'm unclear on this.

This.

Are the people calling for his assassination in favour of assassinating newspaper editors for printing these stories as well?

Thats quite a frightening world some of you want to live in.

 

[Number1]

In an incredible and vile TV interview with the CBC TV network, Stephen Harper's (prime minister of Canada) advisor, called for an assassination on Wikileak's owner, then suggested that Obama should "send a drone to take him out".

This idiot should be arrested immediately and jailed, not only for embarrassing us canadians but for threatening against free speech and our freedoms. Wkileaks is an eye-opener for the oppressed sheep population, now our fascist governments want to take that voice of reason from us?

You're more an embarrassment to Canadians then anybody I have ever met. The advisor is perfectly right, Assange needs to be taken out.

 

[novasatori]

This.

Are the people calling for his assassination in favour of assassinating newspaper editors for printing these stories as well?

Thats quite a frightening world some of you want to live in.

They hate freedom

 

[Deeko]

I absolutely have respect for those responsibilities. I was correcting something you said that was factually incorrect, absolutely nowhere in any post on here did I say that releasing this information was a good thing. In fact, I have a bunch of posts logged saying I thought it was a bad thing.

If you have an active SCI clearance, that's only a sign that you were poorly briefed when you got it (and at your yearly security briefing that you should be getting), because you have some very strange ideas of what the penalties are for violating it.

Source: dictionary.com

trea·son  [tree-zuhn] Show IPA –noun 1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign. 2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state. 3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

Source: the law

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2381 Prev | Next § 2381. Treason How Current is This? Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Releasing classified information you received with a security clearance seems to fit both of these nicely.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I'm sorry, but treason is punishable by death. If you can't understand that basic premise...

Treason is working against the good of your country, exposing dirty little secrets should be good for your country.

 

[Deeko]

Treason is working against the good of your country, exposing dirty little secrets should be good for your country.

Treason is also defined as aiding the country's enemies. Exposing "dirty little secrets" certainly aids the country's enemies.

 

[Scotteq]

Treason is working against the good of your country, exposing dirty little secrets should be good for your country.

That's a matter of judgment. Assenge isn't an (American) citizen, so he can't be tried for Treason. The guy who fed him could be...

There's also a matter of material harm. It's easily true that the memos are embarassing in the sense that, from time to time, US officials have used unflattering language about the people they deal with. And that there are some positions given to us by other governments which aren't consistent with those governments' public faces. But does knowledge of those things actually do material harm to the USA?? Is it justifiable to (hang, shoot, electrocute) someone because they passed on information that an US official thought Angela Merkel was risk averse and not creative??

I think not.


Fix the leak.

Fix system permissions to limit access (as should have been done in the first place)

Then laugh at the knowledge that whatever we said about them behind their backs is (likely) easily eclipsed by what they said about us behind *our* backs.

 

[fskimospy]

-cut-

Too bad our government and the courts think differently, and it's why we have a wide range of laws covering the unauthorized disclosure of classified information. Because we're not stupid and/or crazy, we don't treat accidentally leaving classified information laying around the same way as we do the purposeful transmission of atomic bomb secrets to the Soviet Union.

You're taking your own predetermined conclusion and then trying to mold reality around it. There is no current government agency or any agency throughout the entire history of our country that has viewed all compromises of classified information as treason, and there never will be.

The right thing for you to say here is: 'I was wrong'.