Canadian PM says pot soon to be decriminalized

[yllus]

The issue isn't whether it's harmful or not. Cigarettes are harmful. Alcohol is harmful. Somehow, humanity lives on.

The Canadian Health Association, Canadian Chiefs of Police and at least two Senate commissions on the effects of marijuana support decriminalization. You'll excuse me if I take their word on the wisdom of this action over the alarmist BS you guys get fed down south of us.

 

[Phuz]

Canada will become too fat and lazy to leave thereby doubling their number in 5 years.

Yeah.. because it OUR country thats obeiss....

News Flash: Decriminalization means NOTHING to people who already smoke pot. People aren't going to start just because its a law was passed to make it slightly more legit.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: chrisms
I'm not sure if you're supporting the idea that the government must stop a "bunch of idiots," but if you are, where does it stop? Should we outlaw fatty foods because over 30% of our population is overweight? Should we outlaw skiing because it is life threatening?

I keep expecting those laws. The fatty foods issue is being taken care of by "tort legislation," i.e. all the frivilous lawsuits against McD's and other fast food corps. Skiing continues to be spared because of its popularity, but similar dangerous sports, like surfing and (especially) skateboarding, took years before the public would even attempt to accept them.

The "health issue" surrounding marijuana (or any other illicit drug) is exactly what should NOT be the issue. You have no right to tell other people how to live. Give it up. Live your own fscking life. Leave others alone from your busybody molestations. Or should I come to your house and tell you how to live based on my opinions?

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: Phuz

Canada will become too fat and lazy to leave thereby doubling their number in 5 years.

Yeah.. because it OUR country thats obeiss....

News Flash: Decriminalization means NOTHING to people who already smoke pot. People aren't going to start just because its a law was passed to make it slightly more legit.

I was kidding about the fat and lazy thing sort of. But I totally disagree that people aren't going to start b/c it is more legal. Believe it or not some people fear and respect the law. IF they can get in trouble for smoking pot they don't want to risk it. For some people it isn't easy to find, yes it's true. So I disagree, I think if you legalize it and make it more widely available with less consequence you will in fact have more people smoking. Although neither of us can prove our point until 5 or so years after this so.....

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Government must step in to stop a bunch of idiots from harming themselves. (This is how many current drug laws are set up.) Up to which point though, that is the deeper issue of the MJ debate.

Are laws which protect people from themselves *really* helping society? It sounds to me that laws like that are simply working against natural selection, and ensuring that the generation of tomorrow is even dumber than the generation of today.

 

[silverpig]

If they legalized, taxed to hell, and controlled, BC would be the richest area in the friggin world

Our main industry is logging, but it's estimated that the pot industry is actually even bigger... Of course, no one ever reports the income from that though

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
About damn time the world realizes it's not harmful.

It is harmful. How can sucking some substance into your lungs NOT be harmful?

I'm all for legalizing pot. Heck, if you want to damage your own lungs then I believe you have every right to do so. But saying it isn't harmful is just plain ignorant.

Don't know what a vaporizer is, eh?
Oh, and brownies are good too.

 

[Phuz]

Believe it or not some people fear and respect the law. IF they can get in trouble for smoking pot they don't want to risk it....So I disagree, I think if you legalize it and make it more widely available with less consequence you will in fact have more people smoking.

Not the people that already have the incentive to smoke pot in the first place.
It has very little to do with the respect of the law. Not all laws repect the people they're placed upon to begin with.
The risks comes from the work place... drug tests, etc... and thats about it. Cops rarely arrest you for it.

For some people it isn't easy to find, yes it's true.

Nahh. Everyone knows someone. Go walk around in Montreal, you'll see someone smoking a J and a cop on the same block.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: silverpig
If they legalized, taxed to hell, and controlled, BC would be the richest area in the friggin world

Our main industry is logging, but it's estimated that the pot industry is actually even bigger... Of course, no one ever reports the income from that though

I agree.. but it would be different if it were legalized. Don't get me wrong, I'm agreeing. There is just no excuse. Instead of spending millions of dollars putting people in jail, they could be making millions of dollars. They could still have the anti-pot commercials, just like they have anti-cigarette commercials. It's mind boggling, really.

If it was widely available, and not so "underground", it wouldn't be worth as much as Gold.

(Well, almost. Gold is about $340@/oz, while, depending on where you are, cannabis is 220 - 320).

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Staley8
I was kidding about the fat and lazy thing sort of. But I totally disagree that people aren't going to start b/c it is more legal. Believe it or not some people fear and respect the law. IF they can get in trouble for smoking pot they don't want to risk it. For some people it isn't easy to find, yes it's true. So I disagree, I think if you legalize it and make it more widely available with less consequence you will in fact have more people smoking. Although neither of us can prove our point until 5 or so years after this so.....

You don't have to wait 5 years. And you're wrong. Canada's decriminalization legislation is based somewhat off of Oregon's decriminalization laws, which have been successfully in place, with no direct increase in usage, and with public support (an attempt was made to repeal decriminalization in 1998 by ballot measure, it failed by an overwhelming majoirty) since ~1979.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Staley8
I was kidding about the fat and lazy thing sort of. But I totally disagree that people aren't going to start b/c it is more legal. Believe it or not some people fear and respect the law. IF they can get in trouble for smoking pot they don't want to risk it. For some people it isn't easy to find, yes it's true. So I disagree, I think if you legalize it and make it more widely available with less consequence you will in fact have more people smoking. Although neither of us can prove our point until 5 or so years after this so.....

You don't have to wait 5 years. And you're wrong. Canada's decriminalization legislation is based somewhat off of Oregon's decriminalization laws, which have been successfully in place, with no direct increase in usage, and with public support (an attempt was made to repeal decriminalization in 1998 by ballot measure, it failed by an overwhelming majoirty) since ~1979.

Yep. Next step is legalization. Like I said.. they could be making potentially millions of dollars/year on tax revenue, instead of spending millions on putting harmless people in prison. It's pure stupidity.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: yllus

"So you will have another ticket," said Chrétien, "for losing your senses, or something like that."

*covers his eyes in embarassment*

Ladies and gentlemen, the leader of our country...

Hey, it could be worse.

*looks south*

 

[StageLeft]

First this and soon death. Man Chretien is getting better with age!

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: yllus

"So you will have another ticket," said Chrétien, "for losing your senses, or something like that."

*covers his eyes in embarassment*

Ladies and gentlemen, the leader of our country...

Hey, it could be worse.

*looks south*

I don't get it?
He's got a sense of humour.. he wasn't choking on his words... I thought it was funny.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: silverpig
If they legalized, taxed to hell, and controlled, BC would be the richest area in the friggin world

Our main industry is logging, but it's estimated that the pot industry is actually even bigger... Of course, no one ever reports the income from that though

I agree.. but it would be different if it were legalized. Don't get me wrong, I'm agreeing. There is just no excuse. Instead of spending millions of dollars putting people in jail, they could be making millions of dollars. They could still have the anti-pot commercials, just like they have anti-cigarette commercials. It's mind boggling, really.

If it was widely available, and not so "underground", it wouldn't be worth as much as Gold.

(Well, almost. Gold is about $340@/oz, while, depending on where you are, cannabis is 220 - 320).

Heh, it's not underground here at all... Hydroponic equipment ads on TV and the radio... smoking downtown in front of the cops riding by... people calling up the radio and when asked what they're doing, they give their full name, where they're from and that they're smoking a joint

 

[Anubis]

this is a step forward IMO. i smoke. big deal. im not gonna be a moron and say its harmeless cause its not. BUT its no more harmefull to you then beer and cigs. both of which are legal to peopel of age. so toss some 18 or older thing on weed and itll be all good

 

[Kilgor]

Hopefully you dont follow bush's war on drugs. Because if you want to get rid of drugs u dont arrest people you help the people... He's putting too much money into trying to stop it rather then treat the problem.

Why is it Bush's war on drugs he didn't start the war. It was going on long before he was Pres. Why don't you just blame him for the Bay of Pigs or The Vietnam War?

 

[StormRider]

Wouldn't it be weird if all of a sudden ATI starts putting out crappy products and we later find out it's because all their engineers starting smoking so much pot that they don't care anymore about doing a good job? And then nVidia rules the graphics world without any competition?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: silverpig
If they legalized, taxed to hell, and controlled, BC would be the richest area in the friggin world

Our main industry is logging, but it's estimated that the pot industry is actually even bigger... Of course, no one ever reports the income from that though

I agree.. but it would be different if it were legalized. Don't get me wrong, I'm agreeing. There is just no excuse. Instead of spending millions of dollars putting people in jail, they could be making millions of dollars. They could still have the anti-pot commercials, just like they have anti-cigarette commercials. It's mind boggling, really.

If it was widely available, and not so "underground", it wouldn't be worth as much as Gold.

(Well, almost. Gold is about $340@/oz, while, depending on where you are, cannabis is 220 - 320).

Heh, it's not underground here at all... Hydroponic equipment ads on TV and the radio... smoking downtown in front of the cops riding by... people calling up the radio and when asked what they're doing, they give their full name, where they're from and that they're smoking a joint

Well, you know what I mean. I'm mostly talking about the US.

We have ads for grow equipment and usage paraphernalia here in Oregon too, but only late at night.. And, obviously, they don't say it's for growing cannabis, lol.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Wouldn't it be weird if all of a sudden ATI starts putting out crappy products and we later find out it's because all their engineers starting smoking so much pot that they don't care anymore about doing a good job? And then nVidia rules the graphics world without any competition?

Shouldn't that be ATi's decision as to whether or not it wants to allow their engineers to smoke pot?

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Wouldn't it be weird if all of a sudden ATI starts putting out crappy products and we later find out it's because all their engineers starting smoking so much pot that they don't care anymore about doing a good job? And then nVidia rules the graphics world without any competition?

Imagine the crazy effects their demos would have though

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Wouldn't it be weird if all of a sudden ATI starts putting out crappy products and we later find out it's because all their engineers starting smoking so much pot that they don't care anymore about doing a good job? And then nVidia rules the graphics world without any competition?

That wouldn't happen, even if they did smoke/start smoking cannabis.

Smoking doesen't automatically make you stupid and unable to do your job. In my experience, quite the contrary has been observed.

When you have 50 trays of 100 small electromagnetic parts to test, you look forward to and enjoy your lunch break.

Needless to say, it wouldn't be advised if you're an equipment operator or do anything where reflexes are needed, though.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Kilgor

Hopefully you dont follow bush's war on drugs. Because if you want to get rid of drugs u dont arrest people you help the people... He's putting too much money into trying to stop it rather then treat the problem.

Why is it Bush's war on drugs he didn't start the war. It was going on long before he was Pres. Why don't you just blame him for the Bay of Pigs or The Vietnam War?

You mean he isn't responsible for those, too?

:wine:

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: chrisms
I'm not sure if you're supporting the idea that the government must stop a "bunch of idiots," but if you are, where does it stop? Should we outlaw fatty foods because over 30% of our population is overweight? Should we outlaw skiing because it is life threatening?

I keep expecting those laws. The fatty foods issue is being taken care of by "tort legislation," i.e. all the frivilous lawsuits against McD's and other fast food corps. Skiing continues to be spared because of its popularity, but similar dangerous sports, like surfing and (especially) skateboarding, took years before the public would even attempt to accept them.

The "health issue" surrounding marijuana (or any other illicit drug) is exactly what should NOT be the issue. You have no right to tell other people how to live. Give it up. Live your own fscking life. Leave others alone from your busybody molestations. Or should I come to your house and tell you how to live based on my opinions?

When did I say I supported marijuana laws? I am completely against them, and made it clear in my post that I do not agree with protecting people from themselves. My examples were to show the stupidity of these types of laws.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: chrisms
When did I say I supported marijuana laws? I am completely against them, and made it clear in my post that I do not agree with protecting people from themselves. My examples were to show the stupidity of these types of laws.

Excuse me... in the 2nd paragraph I was not speaking to you in particular. Shoulda clarified my pronouns there I guess.